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  5. Separation of Church and State: A Fallacy

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    First off, Eclipse, I was wondering where you got your sources... National Geographic online does not go back that far with their Archives, and I have not had time to get to the Library to read the article. As far as the Dr. Niles Eldredge Quote, perhaps you would read this.

    Secondly for those who are Interested another site. They seem to have some good FAQ's on the site. And no Scrivener I have not Read all of it, or I admit even a majority of it. Thank you for the book Suggestions, I might look into them at some point. While I do not support Creationism, and quite frankly cannot see anything that will cause me to change that opinion, I am usually willing to read about the others opinions. Will I read the whole thing? Perhaps, if it is well written and easy to read. Unless of course it is obviously biased on the subject example.

    Anyways, as others have been saying, it is probably about time to let this thread die. As such, this will be my last post on it. Of course, if you have some Books/Websites you think I might be interested in feel free to email them to me at [email protected]

    [ 10-25-2001: Message edited by: Melcar ]

  6. ISS FLEET LOG FILES

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    Commanders Personal Log:

    Date: October 24 3010

    Ship Status: Under Construction

    Ship Construction is almost complete. The docking bays are Finished. The engineers estimate that the Scorpius will be ready for her Shake down cruise in approximately 1 more week. They are having a few problems with the Main Computer systems. The technicians say new RAM(Whatever that means)is on order. Hopefully they will get everything worked out BEFORE we take her out for the first time. It is such an Honor to be given a brand New ship for my first command. The crew should be arriving in the week also. I have been told they are to be a mixture of both New and Experienced members. Oh, great... The engineers are reporting ANOTHER Problem...

    END OF FILE

  7. Separation of Church and State: A Fallacy

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    Originally Posted by Eclipse:

    quote:
    No, you first show me ONE method that CONCLUSIVELY shows evolution existed. You tell me there are complete steps taken to prove it, yet show me nothing and then demand sources from me. It is not good to demand what you have not shown yourself.

    Can we prove it CONCLUSIVELY? Probably NOT because it has not been PROVED Conclusively yet.

    quote:
    You mentioned the evidence for evolution that you encountered in college was

    circumstantial. Welcome to the real world. Much (but by no means all) theoretical

    scientific knowledge is based on circumstantial evidence.

    Edit: Excerpt from a response to Jess Green posted on the No Answers in Genesis Website.

    Well, I have showed you my source. Do you have one to offer? Or are you a scientist specializing in evolution theory? or biology. Are you a Scientist? I have read everybody's posts and the creationists replies so far have been, well that's been proven false. So, where are your Sites backing these statements? Or do you have Intimate knowledge of this subject? I for one need to rely on other peoples work because I am NOT a scientist of any type.

    [ 10-24-2001: Message edited by: Melcar ]

  14. Newbie Commanders

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    The email from FC DeSylva that I recieved said he assigned me to Centaur based on time zone, So that wings would be more likely to have a stronger prescence online. Due to that don't worry about the Transfer to Pegasus for me at this time. Later if we get more members or need people in different wings we can look at it then.

  16. Separation of Church and State: A Fallacy

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    quote:
    No, you have condemned yourself and are condemned by a Holy God. It is not my place to comdemn you.

    Meaningless Babble. Oooh I am condemned by a holy god... Which one? Allah? The Christian God? Apollo? The truth is YOU Condemn me, Not any one of them.

    quote:
    Hitler was following what he believed was right since his was the master race. What right did we have to condemn and vilify him?

    I myself do not believe that what Hitler did was right. Do I think that Hitler was doing what he believed to be right? YES. He did what he did because he BELIEVED that was the RIGHT way to accomplish his goals.

    quote:
    If I wish to break the laws of this country because I feel they are wrong what place do the police have arresting me?

    So, You follow all Laws at All times? What happens when a law gets passed that might conflict with your religion? Which do you follow then?

    As I said, it is Not an Absolute... Example: Speeding in a Car to get help for a dying man. Against the Law? Yes. For a Good reason? Yes. Is a Police officer still FULLY Justified in giving you a Ticket? YES.

    quote:
    And
    all
    of those LOGICAL steps to prove evolution have FAILED

    Show me. Identify your source. and Please note, You said ALL. Oh, and please bear in mind at the same time, that it is still a Theory.

  17. Newbie Commanders

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    quote:
    You have been assigend to a wing , are you happy with this?

    Sir, While I had hoped to be assigned to the Rapid Response wing of Pegasus, I am content to do my part for the ISS in whatever way my chain of command sees fit. Sir.

    quote:
    What do you expect from the iss?

    Sir, I expect to have the opportunity to show my worth to GALCOM, by defending the GALCOM Homeworlds from all Enemies Foreign and Domestic. Sir.

    quote:
    What do you offer the iss?

    Sir, All I have to offer the ISS is my commitment to be the Very best that I can Sir.

    [ 10-22-2001: Message edited by: Melcar ]

  18. Separation of Church and State: A Fallacy

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    Eclipse:

    quote:
    Then by your own words you stand condemned. Because of unbelief in a higher Power, you can then create your own moral code, there are no absolutes of right and wrong.

    Who is going to Condemn me? You? That is right I create my OWN Moral code. As do you. By your teachings and Life Experiences. I will not say that religion has had NO effect on my morals, because it obviously Does. My mother was a Lutheran, my father a Catholic. I attended Catholic school for several years. I attended the Lutheran Church(As well as Catholic) for several years. Up until the Point of my confirmation(and yes I attended the lutheran confirmation classes, I simply did not complete the ceremony). The point of this excessively long Rant, is WE ALL CREATE OUR OWN MORAL CODE BASED UPON OUR PERSONAL EXPERIENCES. Just look at the differences between say, Southern Baptists, and Lutherans. You will see GREAT differences in what is permitted and what isn't. People as individuals weigh the consequences of their actions and CHOOSE which Rules to follow.

    There is NO Absolute in anything... All is relative. Not even right or wrong.

    Steve:

    quote:
    But what if the school teacher gets in front of the class and says "Let's have a moment of silence for each of you to do with as you please?"

    Why should a Teacher have to do this? Now I don't know how it was/is in your School. But when I was in High School riding the bus, I arrived a full Half hour before school started. That sounds to me like time to use as I please. If I choose at this point to hang out and BS with friends that is my right. If I choose to find some quiet out of the way place to Meditate, pray, Whatever... That is ALSO my right. Or is it simply that you are AFRAID that you/Your Children will NOT Pray if others are not around to hold your/their hand?

    As to creation being taught in School as opposed to the Theory of Evolution. Yes the Theory of Evolution was Taught at my school. As a THEORY. Was the Theory of Creation taught? Nope... How do you teach this... here people, here is a Bible, today we are going to learn about the Theory of Creation. For today's lesson I want you to read Chapter 1 of Genesis.

    As opposed to the Theory of Evolution:

    There are LOGICAL Complete steps that they have taken to try to prove, and are Still trying to prove.

    While we are at it... are we going to teach the Theory of Creation using the Old Norse Beliefs? Or Greek perhaps? EVERY religeon out there has some version of creation. How do we pick and choose?

    Aramike: Thank you, That is what I have been trying to say. I just don't seem to be doing a very good job at it.

  23. Separation of Church and State: A Fallacy

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    quote:
    So, if you're willing to allow special consideration for civil servant/government workers to practice their faith, then why are you not willing to allow our teachers or students the same special consideration to practice their faith, as long as the required 8 hours a day are spent in the classroom?

    Steve perhaps you could read through this thread again to tell me where anybody said that they shouldn't be able to? I seem to have missed that post somewhere.

    The only thing I Said was school SANCTIONED. In other words the Teacher/Principal/School worker - getting before a class and saying "Let us Pray". If a group of students have time during school hours(Recess, Whatever) and they get together and pray instead of play, who CARES? That is not the ISSUE!

  24. Separation of Church and State: A Fallacy

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    quote:
    swas┬Àti┬Àka (swst-k)

    n.

    1. An ancient cosmic or religious symbol formed by a Greek cross with the ends of the arms bent at right angles in either a clockwise or a counterclockwise direction.

    2. Such a symbol with a clockwise bend to the arms, used as the emblem of the Nazi party and of the German state under Adolf Hitler, officially adopted in 1935.

    Source www.dictionary.com

    As I said, EXTREME example, But it WAS a religious symbol before it was a Political symbol.

    And even still Political symbols Do fall under Freedom of speech.

    [ 10-20-2001: Message edited by: Melcar ]

  25. Separation of Church and State: A Fallacy

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    Posted

    EXTREME Example:

    Suppose your mailman comes to your house with a Swastika on his forehead?

    I'd put money down that says he would be FORCED to cover it or loose his job.

    And I say this being a Civil Service worker.

    Freedom of Speech or Expression does not remove the Required Professionalism.

    Special concession are made to allow people their time to Pray during the day if required by their religion their Break times would be modified for this. Same as in the private sector, most places of employment will make concessions for it where possible.

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