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woo! my favorite topic. here, this stuff should keep you guys interested for hours. it's a sort of a skeptical encyclopedia where they list the facts about things in relation to september 11th and let you decide for yourself.

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it's split into 3 sections:

1. topics

2. people

3. places

here's an excerpt from one of my favorites under "arbusto" the name of bush's first oil company:

"According to a 1976 trust agreement, the history behind George W. Bush's first company Arbusto, started with Salem bin Laden, who appointed James Bath (->) as his business representative in Houston..."

you can read the rest here

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Move over SC, let me fill my cup with some of that Cider

I will not single out anyone in particular, So please don't take offense at what I'm going to say,

It is clear that the educational system in this country is failing, just by reading many of the posts in this thread, The spelling and grammatical errors are most evident. Ever heard of a dictionary? Or a Thesaurus? Two must have books for every student, no matter what level you have attained in school or out of school.

Does the word Parse mean anything?

Ok, I'm getting off topic Wolferz

The government is doing what the government has always done, raping the American people for their own gain. It doesn't matter what party The senate or the congress is controlled by.

It all boils down to secret college Fraternities, of which GW is a member of one called the Skulls as is his father.

I once visited a fraternity headquarters building located in Lexington Kentucky for the purpose of performing a fire alarm inspection. I was escorted the entire time I was there and there was one room in the basement I was not allowed to enter under any circumstances. It didn't matter to them that I was going to place a negative comment on the inspection form that was to be sent to the state Fire Marshals office to be reviewed for compliance with state fire laws. I never heard another word about it.

So you see, our government is run by secret societies, each with its own private agenda.

The protest bands of the late sixties and early seventies, my favorite being Steppenwolf, who said it best in a profound line in one of their songs THE GOVERNMENT IS A MONSTER AND WILL NOT OBEY

The American people no longer have control of their own country and haven't for a long time now.

What does one vote get you? nothing!

What does a letter of protest to a Senator or a Congressman get you? nothing!

Out of the thousands of pieces of correspondence they recieve( All read by their aides btw and answered with a canned response on a nice piece of parchment paper that you paid for)

Your one voice is never heard.

So get ready sheople, whether you like it or not, the blackbooted Gestapo thugs are coming to force you to see their side of things In the name of national security and patriotism.

I think I had too much Cider SC, Where's the toilet?I think I'm going to hurl

Republicans or Democrats, I don't care. They're all screwing us. And they can all kiss my

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I will not single out anyone in particular, So please don't take offense at what I'm going to say,

It is clear that the educational system in this country is failing, just by reading many of the posts in this thread, The spelling and grammatical errors are most evident. Ever heard of a dictionary? Or a Thesaurus? Two must have books for every student, no matter what level you have attained in school or out of school.

Does the word Parse mean anything?

Hahaha, it must not be me because most people don't believe english is my second language

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I came across an excellent quote and thought that I would share it in this thread.

A quote by Milton Friedman

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A Society that puts equality-in the sense of equality of outcome-ahead of freedom will end up with neither equality nor freedom. The use of force to achieve equality will destroy fredom, and the force, introduced for good purposes, will end up in the hands of people who use it to promote their own interests.

Hmm, that sounds AWFULLY familiar, and in the end, they destroy themselves and the community they are using to promote their own interests.

And one more quote for your thought processes.

A quote from Alexander Tyler.

quote:

The average age of the world's greatest civilization has been two hundred years. These nations have progressed through this sequence.

From bondage to spiritual faith;

from spiritual faith to great courage;

from courage to liberty;

from liberty to abundance,

from abundance to selfishness;

from selfishness to complacency,

from complacency to apathy,

from apathy to dependency,

from dependence back into bondage."


Where are we now? Give you 3 guesses....

History is a GREAT teacher, too bad no one wants to listen to what lessons it has.

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you seem worried about the upcoming election. could it be because the polls showed today that Kerry could defeat Bush? relax Jag, I'm confident your awol deserter has another 4 years in him, despite the fact that there were never any wmd's

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Originally posted by El Che:

you seem worried about the upcoming election. could it be because the polls showed today that Kerry could defeat Bush? relax Jag, I'm confident your awol deserter has another 4 years in him, despite the fact that there were never any wmd's

First off Kerry doesn't have a chance, and Clinton was the Deserter, NOT Bush.

Your favorite liberal rag the New York times has alsready states with facts and evidence, that Bush was NEVER AWOL, from anything, and that he was honorably discharged at the end of his service.

Go spew your propaganda somewhere else please.

Why can't liberals remember which of their lies has been brought out to the light of day and which ones haven't?

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Originally posted by Jaguar:

Clinton was the Deserter, NOT Bush.

Neither of them were deserters as it is defined in the UCMJ.

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Bush was NEVER AWOL, from anything, and that he was honorably discharged at the end of his service.

Bush said today on Face the Nation that he doesn't have any records. Personally, I still have all my old flight records and I know of no USAF pilot or crewmember who doesn't at least have a copy of total hours flown.

In Bush's favor, though, he did name the F-102 (stumbled a bit as he said it) as the aircraft he flew. I'm pretty sure ADC flew that craft during the 1960's and '70s.

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Go spew your propaganda somewhere else please.

Wouldn't that make this a definitively conservative forum?

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soon the F.B.I. will be able to go into anyones house without a search warrant.

of course there are exceptios to the search warrant. in my country under the police act, if you are chasing someone you have seen commit an arrestable offence (felony act) you can chase him into any house or building he flees, private or public.

so no one can get away on the fly after doing something because you dont have a warrant.

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Go spew your propaganda somewhere else please.

Wouldn't that make this a definitively conservative forum? [/QB]


No, it makes it a thinking forum, if you want to spew lies and propaganda, and be taken seriously, go somewhere else with it.

Here, we will chew you into kibble chunks and feed you to our dogs.

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Originally posted by Jaguar:

Here, we will chew you into kibble chunks and feed you to our dogs.

"...and the dogs will eat their masters."

Btw, I noticed El Che was equally lambasted under three different topics. Isn't that considered spamming?

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Originally posted by Marvin:

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Originally posted by Jaguar:

Here, we will chew you into kibble chunks and feed you to our dogs.

"...and the dogs will eat their masters."

Btw, I noticed El Che was equally lambasted under three different topics. Isn't that considered spamming?


So if someone makes ridiculous posts in 3 different threads, then I am not allowed to respond to those 3 different threads and tell that person my opinions of those posts? Because it is considered spamming?

Oh puhlease!!!

When you have reached 5 years, and over 2500 posts, on this forum, then we'll discuss your opinion on spamming. OK?

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If you actually read the patriot act, its actually pretty horrendous what they put in it. What's worse is that anyone let it pass. And what's even worse than that is that nobody gives a damn, because after 9/11, most of the country simply became complacent bandwagon patriots, who could be led to embrace mind control devices planted on our brains, if of course they gave the bill a catchy and gut-wrenchingly patronizing name like "The Patriot Act", and sold it to the people with a catchy tagline like "For our safety against the TERRORISTS!!!" Run for your life, the terrorists are coming! I feel it is sad that anyone who actually recognizes what the hell the government is doing cannot speak out because he is looked on as a borderline heretic by the aforemention bandwagon patriots.

These days, I'm surprised you don't get burned at the stake ( ) for speaking out against some of the wonderful things the government can do now, like:

come into your home and search you without a warrant

Tap your phone lines without a warrant

Suspend habeus corpus so they can throw whomever they want in jail, for any reason, indefinately without even charging them for a crime.

That's funny, I'm pretty sure that the first 2 are directly protected against by the 4th ammendment (Search & Seizure) and habeus corpus is in the constitution somewhere.

But for some reason, nobody cares. Why? Because the average american is a simple, complacent sheep that is gullible beyond words, who is too concerned with getting his daily Big Mac on time, than to recognize that he no longer has any liberties.

How did this happen? Simple: they pitched it with a deceptive name (The Patriot act. Hah! What a crock!)and sold us on the fact that its for our safety, and now the 4th amendment no longer exists. It's only a matter of time until they pass the "Big Brother Loves You" act, that completely suspends the 1st amendment.

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:

If you actually read the patriot act, its actually pretty horrendous what they put in it. What's worse is that anyone let it pass. And what's even worse than that is that nobody gives a damn, because after 9/11, most of the country simply became complacent bandwagon patriots, who could be led to embrace mind control devices planted on our brains, if of course they gave the bill a catchy and gut-wrenchingly patronizing name like "The Patriot Act", and sold it to the people with a catchy tagline like "For our safety against the TERRORISTS!!!" Run for your life, the terrorists are coming! I feel it is sad that anyone who actually recognizes what the hell the government is doing cannot speak out because he is looked on as a borderline heretic by the aforemention bandwagon patriots.

These days, I'm surprised you don't get burned at the stake ( ) for speaking out against some of the wonderful things the government can do now, like:

come into your home and search you without a warrant

Tap your phone lines without a warrant

Suspend habeus corpus so they can throw whomever they want in jail, for any reason, indefinately without even charging them for a crime.

That's funny, I'm pretty sure that the first 2 are directly protected against by the 4th ammendment (Search & Seizure) and habeus corpus is in the constitution somewhere.

But for some reason, nobody cares. Why? Because the average american is a simple, complacent sheep that is gullible beyond words, who is too concerned with getting his daily Big Mac on time, than to recognize that he no longer has any liberties.

How did this happen? Simple: they pitched it with a deceptive name (The Patriot act. Hah! What a crock!)and sold us on the fact that its for our safety, and now the 4th amendment no longer exists. It's only a matter of time until they pass the "Big Brother Loves You" act, that completely suspends the 1st amendment.

Yes, ain't it pretty, and the media, no matter who they are sells it as "the patriot act" And how it won't affect us, because we're not terrorists.

uh huh, yeah right, well, sorry, the justice dept has already had suits filed against them for abusing the Patriot act, hopefully it will be just a matter of time before the people wake up to what our congresscritters did and kick some butt, I am still a bit angry at Bush for signing this POS......

But, he is the lesser of 2 evils at this point, so I will continue to back him.

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Yes, ain't it pretty, and the media, no matter who they are sells it as "the patriot act" And how it won't affect us, because we're not terrorists.

And it's funny that all it took to convince most people that it was okay was the spiffy name. If they called the "Throw your ass in jail" act, it wouldn't have been supported too well.

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