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Originally posted by Darkling:

Willie Horton was a Conviced Killer that was allowed to go out on Governer Dukakis' "Furlough" Program. You don't think that the Republicans should have used that as an example of how he was soft on crime? Why? Was he black? If he was, WTF does that have to do with anything? Fact is he was a conviced KILLER that Dukakis let go out unsupervised, who subsequently raped a woman and stabbed her fiance? We shouldn't all be outraged by this? The fact that in 1976 Governor Dukakis vetoed a bill to ban furloughs for first-degree murderers, should not have been pointed out, simply because Horton was black? I don't get it?

The fact is that By March 1987, Dukakis had commuted the sentences of 28 first-degree murderers. This is NOT a black/white/Racist issue, it's a Crime & Punishment issue. The fact that Dukakis was being soft as a cuddly bear on crime was rightfully pointed out by the Republicans, since obviously, the Democrats were not going to say anything agaist their own guy.

Yeah, there seems to be a mind set that always brings up those issue when someone does wrong. Like the Martha Stewart case I'm getting sick and tired of hearing people on the news crying that she only got into this predicament because she's a rich and powerful woman. WTF is that!? She commited a crime. What a woman can't commit crimes? Hah, ya gotta laugh. But someone is always going to exploit their social standings (ethnic, sex whatever) when they are caught in a crime. Oh yeah and Matha Stewart is a Democrat. So between being a Woman and a Democrat her supporters feel like she's been singled out because of this. What because of her politics and sex you cannot prosecute for a crime?

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Originally posted by Darkling:

[qb] Yeah, there seems to be a mind set that always brings up those issue when someone does wrong. ...

A lot of people tell me that I look Jewish, they don't realize that I'm Dominican, especially because I don't have an accent, since I came to this country when I was only 4 months old. When I was a manager at Home Depot, I wrote this guy up 3 times for being late, I actually let him go on 6 other occations, but finally it became too much and I fired him.

All of a sudden, "Oh it's because I'm spanish"! "Spanish people are always late, so you discriminate against spanish people." I told him are you talking about, I'M SPANISH, and I'm NEVER late! So he says to me, you don't look or talk Spanish, you sold out.

Please, the additude is, you work hard, you're a sell out.

BS, you work hard, you get what's coming to you. You slack off, you get what's coming to you. My workplace looks like a Benneton commercial because I don't give a Sh*t about Race, Color, whatever.. All I care about is can you get the job done.

People need to keep their race issues to themselves.

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Originally posted by Darkling:

A lot of people tell me that I look Jewish, they don't realize that I'm Dominican, especially because I don't have an accent, since I came to this country when I was only 4 months old. When I was a manager at Home Depot, I wrote this guy up 3 times for being late, I actually let him go on 6 other occations, but finally it became too much and I fired him.

All of a sudden, "Oh it's because I'm spanish"! "Spanish people are always late, so you discriminate against spanish people." I told him are you talking about, I'M SPANISH, and I'm NEVER late! So he says to me, you don't look or talk Spanish, you sold out.

Please, the additude is, you work hard, you're a sell out.

BS, you work hard, you get what's coming to you. You slack off, you get what's coming to you. My workplace looks like a Benneton commercial because I don't give a Sh*t about Race, Color, whatever.. All I care about is can you get the job done.

People need to keep their race issues to themselves.

I have that same issue about looking Jewish, I'm German, Italian and Irish but I look Jewish. Well my last name don't help either it's German.

What a mix! I get these sudden urges to tinker and fix cukoo clocks but I can't so I go gladiator on them and then have a few drinks in the local pub afterwards.

Anyway, exactly, you do your Job there's no issue. You slack off and your history and that's when they bring up their history.

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I don't think GOP leadership is made up of racist but they do very little to distance themselves from people of that ilk.

C'mon Race you know one of the Senate Democrats is a former Grand Wizard of the KKK. I respect your opinions but you are coming off as anything but moderate whenever you attack the GOP and ignore the (far-worse) offenses of the DNC...

And can you point out *any* legislation that the Democratic party has made in the last 10 years that is constructive towards uniting rather than dividing the races?

I vote Republican - because when I watch them all on any station - CNN, Fox, MSNBC - whenever the two parties argue, the Democrat always seems to be living in a fantasy world to me. They need to quit goose-stepping the party line and show some independant thought for a change. Even Howard Dean and John kerry's extreme socialist bent is bound to get them more respect from their own party than the "in the closet liberal" attitude that they've shown in the past.

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...Osama Bin Laden since it was under the Democrats watch that he was able to plan the attack on the WTC among other little nasties they carried out or had planned and they didn't hunt him down like a republican did...

Democrats go to war over something? Heck no, they don't have the spine for it. If Gore would have won the Presidency, he would be sitting in the Oval Office with his thumb up his A$$, complaining to the UN that they need to DO SOMETHING!

Remember the Hostage Crisis of the 70's, the MOMENT Reagan stepped into office, they gave up the hostages. They know the Republicans don't play.

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Originally posted by Race Bannon IV:

Do you really think MLK if alive today would be a Republican, The republican party of today is much different than the one that existed then.

Actually, yes I do, I Really don't think that MLK, being a Reverend, would approve of the Pro-Abortion stance of the Democrats. Somehow I don't think that killing babies would sit too well with him.

As for the Republican Party being so different today, exactly what is different? Our Alignment with Christian Principals? It was those very principals that motivated Republicans to eliminate slavery, discrimination and push for civil rights.

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I never said I was moderate, and the differences regarding, the GOP of today and the past are it's inability to accept anything but lock step support of some rather extreme policies. There appears to be no room or any diverse thought in the GOP. Is it any wonder that the Republicans made great strides in the 80's under the leadership of people like Gingrich and Buchannon whose rhetoric was devisive and uncomprimising. When it became okay to demonize the opposition, when the word liberal became a dirty word, when it became okay to play on some people worse fears, the GOP emerged. It is no suprise that the likes of David Duke felt comfortable under the banner of the GOP. Your party supports demonizing and belittling the opposition party rather than any intelligent discourse, it literally drips with hate. These beliefs havemade any bipartisan cooperation almost impossible.

As far as Christian principles goes, we have then too. Some of us are quite uncomfortable with the Democratic party's stance or lack of a stance on values moral and character. But some Republicans have some very unChristian ideas. I remember clearly when Gov. Bob Riley a staunch conservative Republican stated that the current tax code in Alabama was unfair and unChristian. He said that it is the Christians duty to take care of the "least of us". Who were the first people to call for separation of church and state? THE REPUBLICANS! They basically said render unto Cesear and stay out of my pocket book.They basically said lets keep the Bible separate from the tax code, cause it was covenient, and because a lot of people in the GOP look at poor people as undesireable and unworthy. That they are lazy and stupid and that is why they are poor, and don't deserve any compassion and certainly not a tax break. what a bunch of hypocrites!

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Originally posted by Race Bannon IV:

I never said I was moderate, and the differences regarding, the GOP of today and the past are it's inability to accept anything but lock step support of some rather extreme policies.

Such as what?

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Originally posted by Race Bannon IV:

There appears to be no room or any diverse thought in the GOP..

Give me an example?

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Is it any wonder that the Republicans made great strides in the 80's under the leadership of people like Gingrich and Buchannon whose rhetoric was devisive and uncomprimising...

I remember seeing a picture of Pat Buchanon on an issue of Time, where he was croutched down talking to some little kids. On the Caption, the article said "Here's Pat Buchannon, teaching little kids how to HATE". Exactly what did he do that was so hatefull?

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Originally posted by Race Bannon IV:

When it became okay to demonize the opposition, when the word liberal became a dirty word, when it became okay to play on some people worse fears, the GOP emerged. It is no suprise that the likes of David Duke felt comfortable under the banner of the GOP. Your party supports demonizing and belittling the opposition party rather than any intelligent discourse, it literally drips with hate. ...

"It Literally drips with hate... Please, I would like ONE literal example of the HATE that you claim that the Republican Party has for everyone.

This reminds me of the Nazi's campaign of the Big lie against the Jews, how the Jews HATED everyone, they figured if they said the BIG LIE over and over again, eventually it would become the truth.

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Originally posted by Race Bannon IV:

These beliefs havemade any bipartisan cooperation almost impossible.... As far as Christian principles goes, we have then too. Some of us are quite uncomfortable with the Democratic party's stance or lack of a stance on values moral and character....

Well I'm sorry, but things like letting a doctor Partially deliver an 8mo. Term baby, then claiming that it's not REALLY a baby because it wasn't born (since it didn't come ALL THE WAY out), then sticking a needle in the back of his/her head to suck his/her brains out to perform an "Abortion" (legally sanctioned murder), is not exactly one of the things that I can compromise on. If this is not the ESSENCE of EVIL then I don't know what is. But who cares right, as long as the RICH PAY that's what's really important. Having Dr. Kevorkian have his way, that's just Human life, who cares. Letting poeple get away with Murder like the Abortionists and Willie Horton, is not such a big issue for you guys, because Money is more important to you.

For people who claim to be for the little guy, Democrats seem to align themselves with the sickest issues of the day, it seems that they troll college campuses for issues, from people who have not yet had a chance to experience life enough to know what the country REALLY needs.

Well I better stop, I guess my HATE is showing through.

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If you are going to bring up Bob Riley (My state governor) understand that if I could take my vote back and cast it for Siegelman I would.

Riley ran on a platform of no new taxes, and his first day in office went back on pretty much every campaign promise he had made.

Siegelman was a corrupt Democrat, but even still he would do far less damage to the State of Alabama than Riley would.

Yes I would vote for the Democrat given the chance. And if Riley runs again I will vote Libertarian if they have a chance of winning, and Democrat if they don't

Why do you think the Democrat controlled State-legislature LOVES Riley and his 'friendly bipartisan politics'? Because he's a wolf in sheep's clothing.

It would be different if Riley had campaigned on the very issues you claim Republicans went against their principles on. He campaigned for the exact opposite - which is why 'Republicans' pulled the rug out from under him. Maybe you'd like to see what kind of tax increases he was proposing? They would have crippled businesses (I had my own business last year and was struggling to break even - the updated tax would've killed my meager profits) And I'm no multi-million corporation.

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If anyone is being devisive in this country its the Republicans. Remember Willie Horton?

Another little-remembered fact:

It was Al Gore who first brought up Willie Horton, as an attack against Michael Dukakis in the Democrat primaries. Gore lost and Dukakis went on to challenge George HW Bush in 1988. The Bush team revived the Horton issue, but it was Al Gore who first leveled the charge.

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Originally posted by Race Bannon IV:

I never said I was moderate, and the differences regarding, the GOP of today and the past are it's inability to accept anything but lock step support of some rather extreme policies. There appears to be no room or any diverse thought in the GOP. Is it any wonder that the Republicans made great strides in the 80's under the leadership of people like Gingrich and Buchannon whose rhetoric was devisive and uncomprimising. When it became okay to demonize the opposition, when the word liberal became a dirty word, when it became okay to play on some people worse fears, the GOP emerged. It is no suprise that the likes of David Duke felt comfortable under the banner of the GOP. Your party supports demonizing and belittling the opposition party rather than any intelligent discourse, it literally drips with hate. These beliefs havemade any bipartisan cooperation almost impossible.

As far as Christian principles goes, we have then too. Some of us are quite uncomfortable with the Democratic party's stance or lack of a stance on values moral and character. But some Republicans have some very unChristian ideas. I remember clearly when Gov. Bob Riley a staunch conservative Republican stated that the current tax code in Alabama was unfair and unChristian. He said that it is the Christians duty to take care of the "least of us". Who were the first people to call for separation of church and state? THE REPUBLICANS! They basically said render unto Cesear and stay out of my pocket book.They basically said lets keep the Bible separate from the tax code, cause it was covenient, and because a lot of people in the GOP look at poor people as undesireable and unworthy. That they are lazy and stupid and that is why they are poor, and don't deserve any compassion and certainly not a tax break. what a bunch of hypocrites!

Oh please Race,now you're just talking nonsense.

Dripping with Hate, all the Democrats have is HATE.

Hate the rich, HATE Bush, HATE those who have more then you, HATE, HATE, HATE, that's ALL I ever hear out of the Democrat party.

Class warfare rhetoric, how they care about the little people, but NOTHING EVER gets done.

If the Democrats ACTUALLY DID something besides ***** about how awful life is, I might actually respect them, but they don't care about anything but power and petty partisan politics.

Kerry, what a fricking joke, Bush should be talking about REAL issues, such as health care? COME on? What the heck use is health care if you're dead from a terrorist attack?

Whenever Kerry's votinmg record in the senate comes up, he starts screaming about his veteran status and how that's questioning his patriotism, I mean come on, Wake up man. The guys is the MOST liberal and destructive man on the senate, and if he is actually made president,shich thank god will NOT happen, he would destroy us with his whimpy policies and gutting of the military and of course raising the taxes.

WTF is that, running on the fact that he will RAISE taxes? Where does this guy live, what the hell is he thinking?

Go ahead and be proud to be a Democrat, but if I were a Democrat, I would be flat out, too embarassed to admit it.

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Republicans are the party of hate?

I ask you:

Which party's supporters ran the ads that say that a vote for a Republican is a vote for more church burnings?

Which party's supporters ran ads morphing Bush into Hitler?

Which party's supporters ran ads saying that Bush was like dragging James Bird down the road again?

Which party's supporters ran cartoon ads of Bush pushing old ladies in wheelchairs over a cliff?

Which party's supporters ran newspaper cartoons calling Condi Rice a lesbian and a murderer?

Which party's candidates called Bush a gang-leader?

Which party's candidate called the Republicans the most crooked group of liars he'd ever seen?

Which party's former vice-president said that Bush betrayed the country?

Which party's senior senator said that Bush concocted the Iraq war at his ranch to aid his oil buddies?

Which party's senator said that the Trent Lott gaffe is what all Republicans secretly think on the back roads of the South?

The Republicans threw David Duke out of the party. When will the Democrats do the same with Robert Byrd? The Democrats also have people like Jim Moran in the House (who continues to say racist things), as well as Charles Barron in the NYC city council. At least the Democrats in Georgia tossed out Cynthia McKinney and her father (who blamed his daughter's loss on the J-E-W-S). I don't hear talk like that coming from Republicans, so they either don't do it or they hide it extremely well.

Liberal became a dirty word when the Left became slaves to political correctness, and when moral equivalency meant that nobody should be punished for doing wrong because there was always a worse wrong out there going unpunished. Liberal became a dirty word when "equal opportunity" was no longer good enough, and "equal outcome" became the goal.

It wasn't the Republicans that were playing on people's fears, it was the Democrats. They constantly accused Republicans of wanting to take away people's social security, starving children, freezing the elderly, etc. It was the Democrats who said that a reduction in the rate of growth was a cut in order to scare the elderly into thinking that Republicans were going to take their money away.

As for Republicans marching lockstep with no diversity of thought, how do you compare the messages of Buchannan (isolationism) with Gary Bauer or Alan Keyes (religious right/family values), or Ross Perot (giant sucking sound) or Ronald Reagan (supply-side trickle-down), Steven Forbes and Jack Kemp (flat tax), George H Bush (faith-based initiatives). All these people ran for president, and all these people contributed to the wealth of ideas and debate that shaped the Republican party. Show me the same diversity of people and ideas that come from the Democrats.

All the candidates on the Democrat side are marching lockstep with the following message: 1) no tampering with abortion (NOW), 2) more union workers (AFL-CIO and Teamsters), 3) more education spending (NEA), 4) affirmative action (NAACP), 5) judicial activism (People for the American Way) and 6) separation of church and state (ACLU). On all six of the "planks," all the Democrats march with one central voice -- show me the same diversity of opinion.

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Liberal became a dirty word when it became clear they would try to speak for those who couldnt speak for themselves. Conservatives feel comfortable demonizing people who lack voice and dont vote They play upon the fears of Americans and give them a face, (normally one that doesnt look like them) to focus thier fear and hatred upon.

The Republicans have moved beyond the message of choose us we are better to destroy the Democrats. They would have people believe that anyone who disagrees with them is evil and should not be allowed to live in this country.

As far as our different beliefs let me discuss just one. I am pro-choice. However, I am against abortion as a form of birth control. i oppose late term abortion. I am against abortion because was raised Catholic. As a teen ager I made the mistake of binging a life into this world without the sacrement of marriage. I was forced to make the choce (at age 19) between an abortion and being a young parent.I had to convince my girlfriend to have the child. I quit college and joined the USAF. For me it wasnt a hard decision. However I feel there are some situations where abortion is the best choice. Rape, Incest, threat of death to the mother. Did you know that a rapist in this country has parental rights if his victim gets preganant? There is legal precedant that supports this situation. While those are the only situations that I would even CONSIDER, abortion, I am called a baby killer. That is the lack of diverse thought I referred to. Unfortunately we live in a world of grays, there are very few issues that are black and white (no pun intended). as far as differnce on the so called " planks" of the Democratic party, many of us do not agree with all those positions, just as 'm sure ALL Repbulicans dont agree with the entire GOP platform. Our tent is bigger than yours is.

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Our tent is bigger than yours is.

Therein lies the problem... lack of a cohesive message... too much all-inclusiveness - which in itself isn't a bad thing, but the democractic party has practiced it to the point of absurdity.

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Originally posted by Race Bannon IV:

Liberal became a dirty word when it became clear they would try to speak for those who couldnt speak for themselves. Conservatives feel comfortable demonizing people who lack voice and dont vote

You mean like the unborn children they are trying to protect?

Or do you mean like the Black voters that Republicans have pushed for freedom for?

Or do you mean how Republicans made it possible for women to vote.

Or do you mean how Republicans made it possible for Non-Landowners to vote?

Face it, Democrats try to keep everyone dependant on the Government as they expand the government. This way it keeps them in Power and control. Democrats ruled the Congress for what 20-30 Yrs .. longer I think, I don't remember, but what did they do? Reagan came in with Gingritch and Friends, who you love to demonize (just as you say that WE demonize everyone) and all of a sudden MORE MINORITIES than EVER ented the Middle Class. Surprise, Surprise!

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Originally posted by Race Bannon IV:

They play upon the fears of Americans and give them a face, (normally one that doesnt look like them) to focus thier fear and hatred upon.

I'm not sure if you just like to make this stuff up as you go along or if you're trying to follow the Popular Media Frenzy of Hating Republicans, but please give ONE example of this type of behavior so I know what the heck it is that you are talking about.

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Originally posted by Race Bannon IV:

The Republicans have moved beyond the message of choose us we are better to destroy the Democrats. They would have people believe that anyone who disagrees with them is evil and should not be allowed to live in this country.

Oh you mean like the proposed Amnesty program that Bush has for immigrants, even though most minorities tend to go to the Democrats? Yes a fine example of how we want to DESTROY them.

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Originally posted by Race Bannon IV:

As far as our different beliefs let me discuss just one. I am pro-choice. However, I am against abortion as a form of birth control. i oppose late term abortion. I am against abortion because was raised Catholic. As a teen ager I made the mistake of binging a life into this world without the sacrement of marriage. I was forced to make the choce (at age 19) between an abortion and being a young parent.I had to convince my girlfriend to have the child. I quit college and joined the USAF. For me it wasnt a hard decision. However I feel there are some situations where abortion is the best choice. Rape, Incest, threat of death to the mother. Did you know that a rapist in this country has parental rights if his victim gets preganant? There is legal precedant that supports this situation. While those are the only situations that I would even CONSIDER, abortion, I am called a baby killer. That is the lack of diverse thought I referred to. Unfortunately we live in a world of grays, there are very few issues that are black and white (no pun intended). as far as differnce on the so called " planks" of the Democratic party, many of us do not agree with all those positions, just as 'm sure ALL Repbulicans dont agree with the entire GOP platform. Our tent is bigger than yours is.

The problem is that you want to throw out the Baby with the Bathwater. OK, so I would make exceptions for things like Rape, Incest, Life of the Mother, but let's face facts. The VAST Majority of people that have abortions do it solely for convenience reasons and nothing more. Only about 1% of all abortions involve Rape, Incest or Life endangerment, so how does your party explain the other 99%. You claim you are Catholic, well so am I. Are you saying that all of these other kids lives should be "sacrificed" on the alter of economics?

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The pro-lfe movement makes no such exception. If you do then in effect you are pro-choice. As for the rest of your points they are very well written however I no longer see the point in continuing a debate in which the other party refuses to see the other side of the story. I aslso do not see the point in my validating my perceptions regarding the GOP's stance on relation. If I did, youwouldnt accept it anyway. If you truly beleive that the GOP is the standard bearer of human rights, race relations and gender equality you are either a fool or naive. I choose to beleive the latter> The republicans are always trying to take credit for the black middle class after plunging more black families into poverty than any adminsitration in modern history. Lastly please stop trying to hold up Eisenhower and Lincoln as examples for modern Republican thought. That just doesnt wash. Niether would consistently align themselves with corporate america, standing on the shore waving goodbye to good jobs while they are shipped overseas.

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Race,

All I want is ONE example of this socalled GOP hate you keep talking about... Just one example.

I have LOTS of examples of Democratic hate, Hate Bush, Hate the war, Hate the economy, Hate this, hate that. Class warfare is ALL the Democrats have.

The Democrats had 50 years to fix it, all they have done is screw it up more. We're in debt to our ears, the poverty level is the same that it was 50 years ago, but now we are paying close to 50% of our income in taxes.

The Republican version of the low taxes, leave business alone WORKS, it ALWAYS works. Kennedy was one of the few Democrats that actually understood that. He cut taxes, took the burden off of business so that business could create jobs, and get the economy moving.

Government Creates NOTHING, they do not create jobs. The Republicans undertand this, the Democrats have yet to figure that out.

Then again, the Republicans believe in personal empowerment, whereas the Democrats just care about thier own personal power.

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Jag, what would be the purpose? Nothing I have seen or witnessed would change your mind so what,s the point. There hasnt been ONE instance that you have read evidence that you havent discredited then provided an equally partisan Republican point of view as the "real truth".

You beleive what you want, and I'll do the same. Lets just leave it at that.

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There hasnt been ONE instance that you have read evidence that you havent discredited

That one made me laugh!

Mad because he discredits it and replaces it with something you see as partisan?

I don't agree with everything the Republican Party does... but you really ought to read the speech that VP Cheney gave the other day - it was awesome.

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Hey let's all watch Rummie do the tap dance of idiocy. If you're WRONG, say that you're wrong... don't parce your words so that we can all pretend you were right. LOL, what does he call it... FOLKLORE... "the President didn't say it, I didn't say it." DUH!

Rumsfeld comments on "folklore"

I'm a Republican but I've been lied to enough. These guys are toast. They've robbed the Treasury, made sweetheart deals for corporations in which there is a NON-COMPETE clause in contracts given to rebuild Iraq. Let's not even get into the plunging dollar or the loss of 3 million jobs. When Bush said he wanted to put willing workers (ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS) together with willing employers (CHEAP ASS CORPORATIONS) that's when I knew he was no CONSERVATIVE. You that are conservatives should seriously take a look at policy (expanding government, loosened immigration, jobs shipped overseas) and determine if CONSERVATIVE is a term that even applies to Republicans anymore. I read these kinds of threads and the parroting of partisans and I am left to wonder, do people THINK anymore?

Hang in their Race, I'm no Democrat but a few of us Republicans see the agenda of censorship and exploitation and we're not standing for it.

Later

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Hey let's all watch Rummie do the tap dance of idiocy. If you're WRONG, say that you're wrong... don't parce your words so that we can all pretend you were right. LOL, what does he call it... FOLKLORE... "the President didn't say it, I didn't say it." DUH!

I'm a Republican but I've been lied to enough. These guys are toast. They've robbed the Treasury, made sweetheart deals for corporations in which there is a NON-COMPETE clause in contracts given to rebuild Iraq. Let's not even get into the plunging dollar or the loss of 3 million jobs. When Bush said he wanted to put willing workers (ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS) together with willing employers (CHEAP ASS CORPORATIONS) that's when I knew he was no CONSERVATIVE. You that are conservatives should seriously take a look at policy (expanding government, loosened immigration, jobs shipped overseas) and determine if CONSERVATIVE is a term that even applies to Republicans anymore. I read these kinds of threads and the parroting of partisans and I am left to wonder, do people THINK anymore?

Hang in their Race, I'm no Democrat but a few of us Republicans see the agenda of censorship and exploitation and we're not standing for it.

Later

The loss of 3 million jobs, WTF are you talking about? From when Clinton was in office to now, there are now MORE jobs then there were. Unemployment is down. Loss of 3 million jobs, HAH, check your facts before spouting off.

And Plunging dollar? WTF are you talking about, the dollar is doing fine, there have been corrections because of the BS that went on during Clintons watch, but so far I see the stock market at or above where it was, interest rates WAY down, the job market is going up and is going to stay up, according to 99% of the analysts. The economy is recovered, is recovering, and is going to stay recovered for a while, Until the Democrats get in power again and raise taxes, then it will take a dive again.

Quit with the propaganda and get facts to back up your BS please.

I am a constitutionalist, and until there is a REAL third party, I will continue to vote republican, because they are MUCH better the Democrats, and if I agree 70% of the time, it is enough for me to vote for them.

If you are willing to NOT vote for them because they don't agree with you 100% of the time, you end up putting someone in office that disagrees with you 100% of the time.

I am NOT happy with everything that Bush has done, but I will vote for him, because Kerry is FAR worse....

And puhlease, Moveon.org is the best you can do?

Do you know who finances that organization? I doubt it, look to Kerry's wife, and you'll get a clue. Yeah, they're not partisan......Get a grip, You are a Republican? I don't think so...

Just one article about Moveon.org Yeah, that's an organization that ANY republican would be proud to spout from....NOT....

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Yeah dude... the unemployment rate was higher during Clinton's presidency and all we were hearing was how "GREAT" the economy was.

We entered a recession which all analysts agree was starting before Clinton left office, and which was worsened by the 9/11 attacks. Say what you want about Bush's policies, but it seems the economy is on the rise once again.

Everything you said about corporations is pretty much a non-issue to me. Just class-warfare rhetoric. And from my understanding - you say it's so damn terrible that Bush 'lied' about Iraq, obviously you haven't paid attention to what all the Democrats, including Kerry, were saying during Clinton's presidency. About how Sadaam was a threat and needed to be disarmed.

VP Cheney's speech the other day tackled this stuff pretty well. And if you are considering voting for Kerry, consider that your vote is going towards a Bigger government worshipper who would put the defense of this nation at the discretion of countries like France.

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