light_gemini Posted March 11, 2004 Report Share Posted March 11, 2004 ......Oh man when we started to feel a little safe now that our local terrorist organization is a bit crippled, someone comes and does this. I think I will die without seen this kind of things erradicated from my country,neither in the world. Now we also have our little 11-S.If Al-Qaeda is really behind this,the people will turn crazy against our governement. So whats next? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeepFreeze Posted March 11, 2004 Report Share Posted March 11, 2004 As long as people want what others have (houses that aren't made out of sand), and have no way of getting it, people will kill other people. It's always been this way, so don't get your hopes up of it ending any time soon, unless of course we eliminate poverty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Remo Williams Posted March 11, 2004 Report Share Posted March 11, 2004 I'm sorry to hear about this I just finished reading about it in the news. quote:If Al-Qaeda is really behind this,the people will turn crazy against our governement. The people should go crazy on Al-Qaeda. No government can protect its masses 24/7 it needs help from its populace. Then it will be allot harder for these cowards to carry out these attacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Lindsey Posted March 12, 2004 Report Share Posted March 12, 2004 I'm sorry to hear it as well. Stay safe as best you are able. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
light_gemini Posted March 12, 2004 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2004 quote:Originally posted by Remo Williams: I'm sorry to hear about this I just finished reading about it in the news. quote:If Al-Qaeda is really behind this,the people will turn crazy against our governement. The people should go crazy on Al-Qaeda. No government can protect its masses 24/7 it needs help from its populace. Then it will be allot harder for these cowards to carry out these attacks. What I mean is that the majority of people here didnt want Spain to backup the war on Irak.So if it was Al-Qaeda they will blame it to the governement, for going to the war.And elections are near. ETA normally put a bomb and then do a phone call warning about it.So people get evacuated and casualties are minimal.They cause destruction and atention of the media.If they wanted to do a bloodbath they could have done it lots of years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 12, 2004 Report Share Posted March 12, 2004 quote:Originally posted by GhostPilot: ......Oh man when we started to feel a little safe now that our local terrorist organization is a bit crippled, someone comes and does this. I think I will die without seen this kind of things erradicated from my country,neither in the world. Now we also have our little 11-S.If Al-Qaeda is really behind this,the people will turn crazy against our governement. So whats next? Spain has my condolences as well, but this was inevitable. The government may have backed us on the war, but they didn't do enough domestically to protect from this kind of threat. But, again, there is not a lot you can do to protect from this kind of threat. I believe it was Al Quaeda, the wind has been knocked out them, but they aren't dead yet. The time is coming.... Again, you have my deepest sympathies, but you were bound to be a target either way, Muslims are still angry about Spain from hundreds of years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 12, 2004 Report Share Posted March 12, 2004 quote:Originally posted by DeepFreeze: As long as people want what others have (houses that aren't made out of sand), and have no way of getting it, people will kill other people. It's always been this way, so don't get your hopes up of it ending any time soon, unless of course we eliminate poverty. No way of getting it? Why? Because they do not have Democratically elected governments, nor do they have a free enterprise system, read capitalist. But I digress from my point, these militant Islamic terrorists are not mad because they are poor, they are mad because we are rich, they are mad that we are a Republic, they are mad that we are not Muslim. The only way to please them, is to die or convert. THAT'S it. Either Die, or convert to Islam, and MAYBE, just MAYBE they will leave you alone. Otherwise, it's kill them, before they kill us. End of story. "Because of poverty" is the most simplistic reason that I have heard yet, and this is FAR from simple. Poverty is not the problem. OUR EXISTENCE is the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostInSpace Posted March 12, 2004 Report Share Posted March 12, 2004 My condolences to those in Spain. quote:Originally posted by Jaguar: ..... they are mad that we are not Muslim. The only way to please them, is to die or convert. THAT'S it. Either Die, or convert to Islam, and MAYBE, just MAYBE they will leave you alone. Otherwise, it's kill them, before they kill us. I don't think that will even stop them either even if you do convert depends on what sect you join. Look at all the tension between the Kurds, Sunnis and Shi'ite through the years in Iraq. The basic problem is some people think they are better than others (in god's/Allah's eye or whatever motivates that kind of attitude) and if they can't get people to think or do as they do they resort to violence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
light_gemini Posted March 12, 2004 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2004 In europe at the middle ages we werent better than the muslim world,but we slowly progresed.Problem is they still live in the middle ages.Only the weapons and things they can buy has changed to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostInSpace Posted March 13, 2004 Report Share Posted March 13, 2004 Very interesting and strange as well as creepy 3/11 happened 911 days after 9/11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Lindsey Posted March 13, 2004 Report Share Posted March 13, 2004 Link is bad for me LostInSpace but I have read that as well. So now do we count ahead 911 days and plan to do a lot of checking before that date? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 15, 2004 Report Share Posted March 15, 2004 Looks like the terrorists Won in Spain. Chalk up one for the terrorists I suppose. Too bad, this now makes the terrorists that much more aggressive. Their tactics work. Be on guard, this will embolden them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostInSpace Posted March 15, 2004 Report Share Posted March 15, 2004 quote:Originally posted by Jaguar: Looks like the terrorists Won in Spain. Chalk up one for the terrorists I suppose. Too bad, this now makes the terrorists that much more aggressive. Their tactics work. Be on guard, this will embolden them. Yup I was thinking that same thing. They didn't even have to invade the country to change the government either. The terrorist planned that whole thing perfectly right before the election. I wonder if they are going to do the same thing right before our elections. Of course, the news media last was claiming the people chose the Socialist party because of the way the conservative government handle the investigation of the bombing at first claiming it was ETA. They are right in that aspect the current government should have stated they don't know who it was/is until the investigation was complete. Anyway it will be interesting to see if they pull this in the other remaining countries that supported us at their election time. Do you know if these other countries have elections coming up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frescas Posted March 15, 2004 Report Share Posted March 15, 2004 quote:Originally posted by GhostPilot: ETA normally put a bomb and then do a phone call warning about it.So people get evacuated and casualties are minimal.They cause destruction and atention of the media.If they wanted to do a bloodbath they could have done it lots of years ago.They did it: June 1987 in a Shopping Center in Catalunya. And yes! they said it was an error... what an irony to call 21 deads an error. Doesn't matter who is or has been the responsible of this action. Terrorists are terrorists and the must be stopped [ 03-15-2004, 03:25 PM: Message edited by: Frescas ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frescas Posted March 15, 2004 Report Share Posted March 15, 2004 quote:Originally posted by Jaguar: Muslims are still angry about Spain from hundreds of years ago. Where does THIS come from? Do you actually think that the moslim world worries about what happened 400 hundreds years ago? While they know and we (Spaniards) know that they left one of the best influence in the European culture at that time! c'mon! This has to do with recent history and with decisions of our geverments with (and without) the people consent that they represent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 15, 2004 Report Share Posted March 15, 2004 quote:Originally posted by Frescas: quote:Originally posted by Jaguar: Muslims are still angry about Spain from hundreds of years ago. Where does THIS come from? Do you actually think that the moslim world worries about what happened 400 hundreds years ago? While they know and we (Spaniards) know that they left one of the best influence in the European culture at that time! c'mon! This has to do with recent history and with decisions of our geverments with (and without) the people consent that they represent. You don't know the Muslims very well do you? These fanatics, the crazy militaristic muslims are downright crazy, and one of the excuses they use for hating us, is because of the crusades. Spain USED to be a muslim country, it is shameful to them that it is no longer Muslim. Spain was and is a target, no matter what the government did or did not do. The crusades are still not over, and will not be until one or the other gives up. The terrorists are fighting the crusaders, and will continue until we destroy them. Read your history, you will get a small clue of what is actually going on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frescas Posted March 16, 2004 Report Share Posted March 16, 2004 So! And now you are going to tell me that there is a native american and an afro-american complot for all the barbaric things that white people did to them..... I know the history of my country. Don't come to lecture about this or about crusades. Spanish people didn't actually participate in crusades because we were busy trying to recover our soil. Not to expel them. Later on, in the time of Karel V and Phillip II (Let say about 100 y. later) it is when the (at that time) fanatic church started to prosecute them and to expel them. Courislly this decision affected moslims and Jews as well. I supose now I'll start to worry about the retailations Israel will make against Spain, Germany, and all the european countries. In this mail isn't any thing against the Jews, (just in case any of you think I want to start another issue) On the contrary. It is aan example to let see that what happened in the fourteenth and fifteenth century DOES NOT HAVE ANY RELATION with these horrible actions Oh! and I almost forgot... Yes I know moslims hier, one of privileges of being a foreigner within an EU country. You mix and make more easily friends with all the inhabintants of your guest country. [ 03-16-2004, 01:51 AM: Message edited by: Frescas ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DennyMala Posted March 16, 2004 Report Share Posted March 16, 2004 My condolence too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 17, 2004 Report Share Posted March 17, 2004 quote:Originally posted by Frescas: So! And now you are going to tell me that there is a native american and an afro-american complot for all the barbaric things that white people did to them..... I know the history of my country. Don't come to lecture about this or about crusades. Spanish people didn't actually participate in crusades because we were busy trying to recover our soil. Not to expel them. Later on, in the time of Karel V and Phillip II (Let say about 100 y. later) it is when the (at that time) fanatic church started to prosecute them and to expel them. Courislly this decision affected moslims and Jews as well. I supose now I'll start to worry about the retailations Israel will make against Spain, Germany, and all the european countries. In this mail isn't any thing against the Jews, (just in case any of you think I want to start another issue) On the contrary. It is aan example to let see that what happened in the fourteenth and fifteenth century DOES NOT HAVE ANY RELATION with these horrible actions Oh! and I almost forgot... Yes I know moslims hier, one of privileges of being a foreigner within an EU country. You mix and make more easily friends with all the inhabintants of your guest country. You just keep believing that, but it's wishful thinking. Come on man, the terrorists themselves are calling us crusaders, they claim that they are just continuing a war that started centuries ago. Imperialists, conquerors and all kinds of other fun rot, and the goal remains the same. Convert the world, or kill those that won't be. This is a war that was begun when Islam started as a religion. It will be remembered in the history books as the longest war ever. Because it has lasted 500 years, and will last until they or we give up or die. History is wonderful thing, you ought to study it a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frescas Posted March 17, 2004 Report Share Posted March 17, 2004 quote:Originally posted by Jaguar: History is wonderful thing, you ought to study it a bit. Just keep kidding yourself thinking that you are a history expert. Terrorism is a modern way of war which was unthinkible voor the people of 500 hundreds years ago. When according to your theorie this problem started. Then were rules of engagement which were honoured by both parties. Terrorism hasn't got any rules of engagement at all. There is at the moment only one thing we agree. Religion is the couse of this actions. But not becouse the far history. Bin Laden didn't start to attact occidental targets until the NAVO troops were placed in Saudi Arabia during the first War against IRAK (1991 not 1492!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Remo Williams Posted March 17, 2004 Report Share Posted March 17, 2004 Frescas it doesn't take a history expert to know about how Islam got started and the crusades. There are articles about it all over the net. I'll try to dig some up for you later. Terrorism is nothing new to the world. Its been used all through out mankinds history. Again just do a search. Theres a wealth of info on this for us non experts. At least know something about what your saying sir before you try to argue a point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Kerr Posted March 17, 2004 Report Share Posted March 17, 2004 The tactics that were used by the Natives in America against the invading white forces were unthinkable at the time as well. America's armies started adopting those tactics as well. Can you believe it? They actually started dodging bullets by hiding behind trees and rocks! Not an "honorable" tactic at all compared to standing all in a straight line and firing and just taking what your opponent gives to you. But despite all the differences in the way wars are fought...it seems to me that it has always been the same war we've been fighting since the beginning: One rich guy wants something from somebody else (whether it is to spread their "belief" or to take another's possession)and the other rich guy disagrees...then the poor folk get to kill each other for it. I wish we could go back to just throwing poo at each other! LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 17, 2004 Report Share Posted March 17, 2004 quote:Originally posted by Frescas: quote:Originally posted by Jaguar: History is wonderful thing, you ought to study it a bit. Just keep kidding yourself thinking that you are a history expert. Terrorism is a modern way of war which was unthinkible voor the people of 500 hundreds years ago. When according to your theorie this problem started. Then were rules of engagement which were honoured by both parties. Terrorism hasn't got any rules of engagement at all. There is at the moment only one thing we agree. Religion is the couse of this actions. But not becouse the far history. Bin Laden didn't start to attact occidental targets until the NAVO troops were placed in Saudi Arabia during the first War against IRAK (1991 not 1492!) Oh please, Osama claims that that is part of his reasoning. You need to study some of the things that he says. Main one of course being that the crusades never ended. You need to look at the whole picture, this little microcosm view you have is blinding you to the full extent of this entire terrorist action. And Rules of engagement? Hah, who are you trying to kid? When every man woman and child of a city was ordered killed, yep, sounds like realy good rules of engagement to me. Come on man, read your history, because you obviously have either A: not been reading your history, or B: are making stuff up... The muslims hate us because A: we are the crusaders, B: we are Christian, C: we have the biggest economy in the world, and D: we are an affront to Islam. I am NOT blaming the entire religion, I am blaming a select militant few. Terrorists, and it is either they die or give up, or we die or give up. Looks like Spain has given up and has opened itself for further retribution. Your new Prime Minister is doing EXACTLY what the terrorists want him to do, therefore, they will continue the campaign. Their tactics work, so they will continue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted March 18, 2004 Report Share Posted March 18, 2004 LOL. Jon Stewart had this arguement with Stephen Colbert a couple nights ago on The Daily Show ... exact same arguement, except a lot funnier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 18, 2004 Report Share Posted March 18, 2004 quote:Originally posted by Sorren: The tactics that were used by the Natives in America against the invading white forces were unthinkable at the time as well. America's armies started adopting those tactics as well. Can you believe it? They actually started dodging bullets by hiding behind trees and rocks! Not an "honorable" tactic at all compared to standing all in a straight line and firing and just taking what your opponent gives to you. But despite all the differences in the way wars are fought...it seems to me that it has always been the same war we've been fighting since the beginning: One rich guy wants something from somebody else (whether it is to spread their "belief" or to take another's possession)and the other rich guy disagrees...then the poor folk get to kill each other for it. I wish we could go back to just throwing poo at each other! LOL well as Albert Einstein once said, the 4th world war will be fought with sticks and stones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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