Guest Shingen Posted September 3, 2004 Report Share Posted September 3, 2004 quote:Originally posted by street: Tell me I am in the world of illusion? Some people, REALLY do NOT have an inkling, as to what is and what is'nt. Wasn't it Ben Frankilin, or someone that said in order to sustain a democracy, you'd have to have a civil rebellion every hundred years or so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
street228 Posted September 3, 2004 Report Share Posted September 3, 2004 quote:Wasn't it Ben Frankilin, or someone that said in order to sustain a democracy, you'd have to have a civil rebellion every hundred years or so? How, can the people rebel?...25-35% are on drugs, to eliminate their emotion(Prosaic..etc) There are approxamately another 25% on anti-anxiety drugs, (seroquil, and the like). 15-20% are designated FELONS, and are NOT allowed to even vote! Those, NOT on chemical drugs, spend enough time, in an alpha brain state(in front of TV) which brainwashes them to ACCEPT illogical conclusions and an irradic form of reason. I think OUR government's understanding, of such, has allowed them to circumnavigate, the rational of Ben Franklin's prediction, through the use of these tools. Does, this mean BEN FRANKLIN, was an IDIOT; because, he speaks of our form of government, as a democracy, when it is actually a FEDERAL REPUBLIC? I dont think so, but MY style logic, is not that which seems to prevail on these boards, or in the minds of those RIGHT WINGED, (leagalized) drug users. or those stuck with their nose in the idiot -box, learning TWISTED interpretation of reason [ 09-03-2004, 04:04 PM: Message edited by: street ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzle Posted September 3, 2004 Report Share Posted September 3, 2004 Not to mention that most recently, protestors at the RNC have been referred to as Communists, Socialists, Terrorists, Un-Patriotic.. the list goes on. How can we expect to have effective protests if half the population considers those that participate, criminals, when in fact dissent, protest and freedom to assemble etc.. are important aspects of a democracy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Schacher Posted September 3, 2004 Report Share Posted September 3, 2004 quote:Wasn't it Ben Frankilin, or someone that said in order to sustain a democracy, you'd have to have a civil rebellion every hundred years or so?Thomas Jefferson. quote:Jefferson on Armed Rebellion God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ... And what country can preserve its liberties, if it's rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure. - Thomas Jefferson, November 13, 1787, letter to William S. Smith, quoted in Padover's Jefferson On Democracy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalshion Posted September 3, 2004 Report Share Posted September 3, 2004 And you why right Grizzle? The protestors are IGNORING the officers They where warned BEFORE the event that if they got out of hand they'd be arrested Then some group tell's them NOT to listen to the officers Some of those so called 'protestors' already attacked a police officer, in which case the assaylents where thrown in prison So, I hardly call them patriotic if there willing to ATTACK another american Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalshion Posted September 3, 2004 Report Share Posted September 3, 2004 Hey guys Have you heard the recent new's from the Russia? Assault done. 200 Dead, most believed to be children 700 Hurt, 20 terrorist's dead Although the dead does scare me, at least the terrorist's are dead.. I've been hearing conflicting information from btoh my father and from within some chat room's I frequent Some thing about 125 children are killed, mostly when the gym caved in Another peice claim's that the terrorist's used the children as shields and thus far the children died by russian fire I can't be certain which is truth or false since all the information hasn't been released Anyone know anything else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostInSpace Posted September 3, 2004 Report Share Posted September 3, 2004 quote:Originally posted by street: already been tried... They do as I would do...if standing against an unconquorable and oppressive ENEMY. An enemy who has NO intention of negotiating(THIS is what brought it to this level), or releasing its oppresive force. You do what you CAN...to inflict ANY AND ALL harm upon them that you can....and EMBRACE the inevitable. When you remove ALL options, other than DEATH...Your enemy will embrace it, if only to take you with him. If one cannot comprehend this, then buying into the "GOOD GUY" russian theory, and the USSR's RIGHT to oppress others...is what One CHOOSES. Go for it, but in MY book....those who fall for such propaghanda, are the REAL IDIOTS!! I'm sorry but knowingly targeting children in this way is just (explitive) cowardly and shows the true moral fiber of these chechens. I have no gripe with them wanting seperation from Russia but there are other ways as you have stated yourself in other posts in regards to Bush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalshion Posted September 3, 2004 Report Share Posted September 3, 2004 Keep in mind, the US can't interfer in Russia unless they are asked to. And so far Russia hasn't asked, that's why we didn't interfer My guess is though, the end result might've been different if we had got in. But I'm glad we didn't, I don't agree with the US being a world wide police force I still stand by my belief, that the US should cut all tie's with the outside world and Isolate itself and then work on our own problems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 4, 2004 Report Share Posted September 4, 2004 quote:Originally posted by street: quote:Then they should declare open war with the Russians and have the adult men and woman fighting it not killing children to get a solution to their problems. At least target adult facilities and keep the children out of it that way. Don't these terrorists know killing children will only enrage the Russians and will stiffen Russia's resolve. already been tried... They do as I would do...if standing against an unconquorable and oppressive ENEMY. An enemy who has NO intention of negotiating(THIS is what brought it to this level), or releasing its oppresive force. You do what you CAN...to inflict ANY AND ALL harm upon them that you can....and EMBRACE the inevitable. When you remove ALL options, other than DEATH...Your enemy will embrace it, if only to take you with him. If one cannot comprehend this, then buying into the "GOOD GUY" russian theory, and the USSR's RIGHT to oppress others...is what One CHOOSES. Go for it, but in MY book....those who fall for such propaghanda, are the REAL IDIOTS!! I see, so taking children hostage and KILLING them is OK, because they are opressed by the parents of these children, so the killing of children is excusable? Give me a flipping break Street. These guys crossed the line, and 10 of these socalled Chechnian rebels were Arab foreigners and followers of the religion of peace. This whole operation was apparently funded by Al Quaeda, they seem to have their fingers in a few pies over there in Europe. Well, the Euroweenies are afraid that if they attck terrorists they will become targets, Well, glory be, they're targets anyway. Time to kill ANY AND ALL terrorists in EVERY country that they are in. Terrorism in ANY form is unacceptable, and should be dealt with by KILLING the terrorists. They have gone too far this time, it is time for them ALL to DIE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 4, 2004 Report Share Posted September 4, 2004 Here Go here!! Go ahead Street, tell me that it was OK for these people to do this because they are oppressed. Go ahead and tell me that this is OK.... Go ahead..... Look at those pictures, see those dead children, look at the parents, who have done NOTHING to these Islamist extremists. Go ahead, look at those pictures and TELL me that they are NOT ANIMALS. Go AHEAD!!! I am in tears looking at this, to think that these nutsos would love nothing more then to do this to MY children, and YOUR children, and your friends children. To think that they would do this to my children if given the chance terrifies me, and you say that Bush is nuts? Bush is the only thing that has kept these animals from doing this in OUR country. To know that these animals are capable of this, and yet you excuse it because of "oppression". You have no soul, you have no sense, you have no empathy. What kind of sicko's would KILL children, INNOCENT children?!! 10 of these 20 terrorists were from Arab countries, they were NOT Chechen, they were practitioners of the religion of PEACE. They KILLED CHILDREN Street, SHOT them in the back, blew them up with bombs, they KILLED CHILDREN!! This is acceptable to you? I am voting for Bush, because I KNOW, that if he finds these Sickos, no matter where they are, no matter where they are hiding, no matter what they try and do, he will do his best to KILL them before they are able to bring it HERE to OUR shores, and do this to MY kids, to YOUR kids, to my NIECES and NEPHEWS, my godchildren, etc. They have KILLED CHILDREN, INNOCENT CHILDREN. They are animals, they deserve NOTHING but DEATH!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soback Posted September 4, 2004 Report Share Posted September 4, 2004 Time for Russia to level another couple of Chechen towns, and raize some villages. Then I'll see street start yelling how we are killing freedom fighters, I think I'll just laugh then and count the time when they will come for people like him. I just wish that it was your kids in that school street, your family and your kids kids, well what goes around comes around, maybe one of this days we'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soback Posted September 4, 2004 Report Share Posted September 4, 2004 Well, what's your solution? I know street excuses their actions because they are "freedom fighters". He would like peace talks and negotiations (just like they did for 50+ hours in that school, with kids striped naked, hungry, thirsty, watching people get shot and dangled in front of them, but hey, that's alright, after all that's just different cultures way of negotiating, and who are we to call that barbaric, we need to be understanging and sensetive to their differences). That's exactly the reason for my post above. Let streets family and people like him carry the burden of injury and death from those terrorists, not the innocents who have done nothing wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 4, 2004 Report Share Posted September 4, 2004 quote:Originally posted by nomad: You do not solve matters with crocodile tears, indignation, rage, name calling or indiscriminate violence. Russians should engage negociations with moderate rebel chechen factions to give Chechnia a limited autonomy within the federation. Probably this will provoque even more extremist action by the chechens groups who aren't interested by peace. But at least, for the first time, chechen guerillas will work hand to hand with russian forces. A civil war will begin in Chechnia, but at least this will make chechen terrorists more busy within their own borders. To go after wolfes, you need wolfes. However, the russians are afraid that giving limited autonomy to Chechnia may induce other caucasian regions to also demand more autonomy. What nonsense, NO, you do NOT negotiate with people that use terrorism as a tool. You tell the Chechyns the following, you either stop the terrorist attacks, or we level you. If there is ONE more attack by your terrorists, we will level your country totally, and kill EVERY terrorist we find and leave you completely homeless. You turn terrorists over to us when you find them, and in 12 months, we MAY talk of limited autonomy, but if there is ONE attack, or you do NOT turn over these terrorists, we will level your country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostInSpace Posted September 4, 2004 Report Share Posted September 4, 2004 quote:Originally posted by Jaguar: Here Go here!! Did you see the video feed on the news last night (namely BBC news). They showed some of the unused homemade bombs. Made with plastic soda bottles and filled to the brim with all sorts of nasty shrapnel type stuff like nuts and bolts. Designed to inflict the most when detonated. This was a well planned out attack on these children. Really disgusting in my book. It's time for the world to wake up and give these people what they need. Time to inflict a Jihad on them. Then let's see who'ss standing afterwards. Not them I can tell you. quote:Originally posted by Nomad: That's exactly the move the terrorist are trying to induce. Then they have no recruitment problems anymoreLike they are having one now? There will always be someone who feels religiously, economicaly and politicaly repressed even in a free society. It is more the lack of resolve or backbone (whatever you want to call it) in the world that keeps fostering terrorists. quote:Originally posted by nomad: You do not solve matters with crocodile tears, indignation, rage, name calling or indiscriminate violence.Exactly, but that's what these Chechen terrorist are doing. By going after children that is called "indiscriminate violence". The Russians should not negotiate until Chechnya puts an end to these terrorists. I will say this again. You attack political and military targets NOT CHILDREN! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzle Posted September 4, 2004 Report Share Posted September 4, 2004 quote:Originally posted by Kalshion: And you why right Grizzle? The protestors are IGNORING the officers They where warned BEFORE the event that if they got out of hand they'd be arrested Then some group tell's them NOT to listen to the officers Some of those so called 'protestors' already attacked a police officer, in which case the assaylents where thrown in prison So, I hardly call them patriotic if there willing to ATTACK another american The labeling and name calling occured even before the protests were underway. It was not a response to the actions of the protestors. It was a pre-emptive attempt to marginalize those that want to excercise the freedoms guaranteed in our constitution. As for dealing with terrorism, you can never destroy all terrorists, ever. Terrorism is an idealogy and as we've now seen it termed, a 'tactic'. While the unquestionable slaughter of a group of terrorists may seem to solve the immediate problem it will likely do nothing more than spawn more terrorists. Let's not forget, most terrorists are not afraid to die. We could spend the next several decades or centuries responding to their violence with violence of our own, but in between those times wouldn't it be prudent to work on solving the problems and circumstances that cause and breed terrorism? We may never eliminate it, but at the very least we can minimize it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 4, 2004 Report Share Posted September 4, 2004 NYpost quote: WHEN THE KILLERS COME FOR THE KIDS BY RALPH PETERS September 4, 2004 -- THE mass murder of children revolts the human psyche. Herod sending his henchmen to massacre the infants of Bethlehem haunts the Gospels. Nothing in our time was crueler than what the Germans did to children during the Holocaust. Slaughtering the innocents violates a universal human taboo. Or a nearly universal one. Those Muslims who preach Jihad against the West decided years ago that killing Jewish or Christian children is not only acceptable, but pleasing to their god when done by "martyrs." It isn't politically correct to say this, of course. We're supposed to pretend that Islam is a "religion of peace." All right, then: It's time for Muslims to stand up for the once-noble, nearly lost traditions of their faith and condemn what Arab and Chechen terrorists and blasphemers did in the Russian town of Beslan. If Muslim religious leaders around the world will not publicly condemn the taking of children as hostages and their subsequent slaughter ÔÇö if those "men of faith" will not issue a condemnation without reservations or caveats ÔÇö then no one need pretend any longer that all religions are equally sound and moral. Islam has been a great and humane faith in the past. Now far too many of its adherents condone, actively or passively, the mass murder of school kids. Instead of condemnations of the Muslim "Jihadis" responsible for butchering more than 200 women and children in cold blood, we will hear spiteful counter-accusations about imaginary atrocities supposedly committed by Western militaries. Well, the cold fact is that Western soldiers, whether Americans, Brits, Russians or Israelis, do not take hundreds of children hostage, then shoot them in cold blood while detonating bombs in their midst. The Muslim world can lie to itself, but we need lie no longer. The tragedy in southern Russia occurred thousands of miles from the United States, but, in essence, that massacre happened next door. The parents, teachers and students kept for days without water or food in a sweltering school building before being butchered were our children, our sisters, our wives, our parents. The mass hostage situation wasn't about Chechen rebels (and at least 10 Arabs) opposing the Russian government. It was a continuation of the universal struggle between good and evil. And there is no doubt which side is evil, scorned though the word may be by our own elite. How can any human being with a shred of conscience dismiss what occurred in that school as anything less than evil? The attack in Beslan wasn't about Russia's brutal incompetence in Chechnya ÔÇö as counter-productive as Moscow's grim heavy-handedness may have been. It was about religious bigotry so profound that the believer can hold a gun to a child's head, pull the trigger and term the act "divine justice." We will hear complaints that the Russian special forces should have waited ÔÇö even after the terrorists began shooting children. Negotiations are the heroin of Westerners addicted to self-delusion. Who among us would have waited when he or she saw fleeing children cut down by automatic weapons? The urge to protect children is as primal as any impulse we ever feel. Make no mistake: No blame attaches to the Russians for the massacre at that school. The guilt is entirely upon the Islamic extremists who have led the religion they claim to cherish into the realms of nightmare. There will be repercussions. Having suffered the hijacking and destruction of two passenger jets, a deadly bombing at a Moscow subway station and a massacre in a primary school all in less than two weeks, the Kremlin will have learned to rue the day it imagined that there was anything to gain by opposing American efforts against terrorists, whether Osama bin Laden or Saddam Hussein. As they inevitably do, the terrorists reminded the world of their heartless barbarism. Even if France manages to beg the release of its kidnapped journalists in Iraq, it has begun to sense its vulnerability. And all Europeans with a vestige of sense will recognize that the school seizure in Russia could easily repeat itself in Languedoc or Umbria, Bavaria or Kent. An attack on children is an attack on all of humanity. No matter what differences Western states discover to divide them, the terrorists will bring us together in the end. Their atrocities expose all wishful thinking for what it is. A final thought: Did any of those protesters who came to Manhattan to denounce our liberation of 50 million Muslims stay an extra day to protest the massacre in Russia? Of course not. The protesters no more care for dead Russian children than they care for dead Kurds or for the hundreds of thousands of Arabs that Saddam Hussein executed. Or for the ongoing Arab-Muslim slaughter of blacks in Sudan. Nothing's a crime to those protesters unless the deed was committed by America. The butchery in Russia was a crime against humanity. In every respect. Was any war ever more necessary or just than the War on Terror? And what will terror's apologists say when the killers come for their own children? Ralph Peters is the author of "Beyond Terror: Strategy in a Changing World." You do NOT negaotiate with Terrorists, You KILL THEM, end of story. Terrorism as a political tool for political gain is wrong, and should be dealt with in the harshest way. Terrorists should be killed whenever they are found, and whereever they are found. The war on terrorism is the only way to end this, and if someone becomes a terrorist, they sign their own death warrant, PERIOD. Killing children, is not the act of someone who wishes political help, or treaty, it is the act of an animal who is wishing for death to come quickly. 2 of the escapee terrorists were caught by townspeople, neither of them survived the experience, and that is exactly as it should be. Nomad, you talk pretty, but you have no clue, because giving into terrorism is what creates more terrorists, giving them what they want, creates more terrorists that will use terrorist tactics because it works. Killing them on the spot, gives them NOTHING but destruction, pretty soon the insane ones are all dead, and the sane ones do not wish to become terrorists, because they will die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soback Posted September 4, 2004 Report Share Posted September 4, 2004 Funny how when it all goes down you don't see street or any of the liberals posting, just like that article said, when our soldiers kill a terrorist with a bomb and a gun they scream that you are killing a freedom fighter, but when a terrorist kills hundreds of civillians and children they are all quiet. Makes you wonder a lot of things.... So street, go ahead, what have you to say now? Maybe you can tell us again about your military career and if you were actually in the US army for the US army or in the US army making sure they don't harm any freedom fighters as you like calling them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzle Posted September 4, 2004 Report Share Posted September 4, 2004 quote:Originally posted by Soback: Funny how when it all goes down you don't see street or any of the liberals posting, just like that article said, when our soldiers kill a terrorist with a bomb and a gun they scream that you are killing a freedom fighter, but when a terrorist kills hundreds of civillians and children they are all quiet. Makes you wonder a lot of things.... So street, go ahead, what have you to say now? Maybe you can tell us again about your military career and if you were actually in the US army for the US army or in the US army making sure they don't harm any freedom fighters as you like calling them. Street is not the first person to have served in the military and fought in a war to come out of it realizing how pointless and tragic it really is. Let the man have his opinion. Perhaps there are people that see killing *of any kind* as a terrible tragedy. Perhaps those same people live in a society that places itself above the barbarism exhibited by terrorists. Perhaps because of that fact they feel that responding in kind is the low road, not the high road. Perhaps they realize the futility of fighting this sort of behavior. Terrorists are like cockroaches, you can hire an exterminator to wipe them out in one fell swoop, but if you don't clean up the garbage that attracts them they'll be back and in greater numbers than before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 4, 2004 Report Share Posted September 4, 2004 Dont' even go there Nomad, because you are indeed clueless if you are lumping Israel in with these animals. Israel attacked military targets ONLY, and gave warnings before any bomb went off. So to try and lump them in with these animals is ridiculous and stupid. Also, yes, I have been trained in counterterrorism, and you do NOT negotiate, and that has been our policy for more years then I can remember. And this crap about Chechnya and oil, it's always about the frickin oil with you peaceniks ain't it? If it were all about oil, oil would be down to $20 a barrel and we'd be swimming in it, so give me a fricking break. Such simpletons you people are, it's all and just oil, give me a flipping break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 4, 2004 Report Share Posted September 4, 2004 quote:Originally posted by Grizzle: quote:Originally posted by Soback: Funny how when it all goes down you don't see street or any of the liberals posting, just like that article said, when our soldiers kill a terrorist with a bomb and a gun they scream that you are killing a freedom fighter, but when a terrorist kills hundreds of civillians and children they are all quiet. Makes you wonder a lot of things.... So street, go ahead, what have you to say now? Maybe you can tell us again about your military career and if you were actually in the US army for the US army or in the US army making sure they don't harm any freedom fighters as you like calling them. Street is not the first person to have served in the military and fought in a war to come out of it realizing how pointless and tragic it really is. Let the man have his opinion. Perhaps there are people that see killing *of any kind* as a terrible tragedy. Perhaps those same people live in a society that places itself above the barbarism exhibited by terrorists. Perhaps because of that fact they feel that responding in kind is the low road, not the high road. Perhaps they realize the futility of fighting this sort of behavior. Terrorists are like cockroaches, you can hire an exterminator to wipe them out in one fell swoop, but if you don't clean up the garbage that attracts them they'll be back and in greater numbers than before. Grizzle, get a grip, these terrorists want ONE thing, and one thing only. Worldwide domination of Islam. Let Chechnya go so that we can turn it into an islamic state, let Iraq go, so that we can turn it into an Islamic state, let Palestine go and let us turn it into an islamic state. THAT is the goal, that is their underlying motivation, they use all kinds of other excuses for their actions, but that is the underlying and MAIN point. Destroy the US so that we can unhindered take over a create anIslamic superstate, that will destroy the infidels. THAT is the motivation, and NO amount of garbage pickup is gonna fix that, except the deaths of those people that us terrorism, and the destruction of muslim exremists that preach the hatred, and the democratization of those middle East countries. NO islamic super state can come about if those countries are Democratic, the people will NOT put up with it. Bush is NOT the simpleton that you guys think he is, he knows EXACTLY what their motivation is, and how to put a monkey wrench in their works. He knows EXACTLY what he is doing, and it is working and will continue to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 4, 2004 Report Share Posted September 4, 2004 quote:Originally posted by nomad: JAGUAR: Among other things, the guy who doesen't have a clue spended 35 years at the side of one of the negociators who achieved the release of the US embassy hostages of Teheran (1979-1981). Oh? That wouldn't happen to have anything to do with Reagan coming into office now would it? THey held them with impunity when Carter was in office, but as soon as Reagan got in there, they released them. Why is that? Because Reagan would have come in and taken those bastards out, and they knew it. Those hostages had become death warrants for them with Reagan in office, so they HAD to let them go, or the whole point would have been moot, because Reagan would have taken them out, and they knew it. So please, get a grip on reality Nomad, PLEASE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzle Posted September 4, 2004 Report Share Posted September 4, 2004 quote:Originally posted by Jaguar: Grizzle, get a grip, these terrorists want ONE thing, and one thing only. Worldwide domination of Islam.Me?..a grip? Grip this... Exactly how many Islamic terrorists are out there? 5, 10, 20 thousand maybe? Do you honestly think they have a shot in hell of subverting the world against hundreds of millions of other peace loving citizens? Terrorism at best, is an ugly wart on the ass of humanity. It's not their numbers that frighten so many, it's their callous nature. quote: Let Chechnya go so that we can turn it into an islamic state, let Iraq go, so that we can turn it into an Islamic state, let Palestine go and let us turn it into an islamic state.Grip #2 Oh I see, so you are saying anyone who is Islamic is a terrorist. That the whole of the Muslim faith wants to destroy everyone else. Uh huh. (Spare me the "it's in the Quoran" line because there's lots of things in the Bible that modern Christians don't practice or believe in.) quote: Destroy the US so that we can unhindered take over a create an Islamic superstate, that will destroy the infidels.I think there's a typo in there, you meant 'they' instead of 'we' right? Grip #3 Again, like they have a chance in hell to do anything more than disrupt us and the rest of the world for more than a short while. I guarantee there are more people living in your home town than there are blood thirsty terrorists ready and capable to strip you of your life. quote: THAT is the motivation, and NO amount of garbage pickup is gonna fix that, except the deaths of those people that us terrorism, and the destruction of muslim exremists that preach the hatred, and the democratization of those middle East countries.Grip#4 While some may be purely motivated by hatred and the desire to kill, others are in it for the notoriety. They gauge their effectiveness, not by how many people they kill, but by how much news they create. quote: NO islamic super state can come about if those countries are Democratic, the people will NOT put up with it.Grip#5 What's wrong with an Islamic super state?. Oh that's right every single Muslim is a blood thirsty terrorist. quote: Bush is NOT the simpleton that you guys think he is, he knows EXACTLY what their motivation is, and how to put a monkey wrench in their works. He knows EXACTLY what he is doing, and it is working and will continue to work. Grip#5 I don't know, the human race has been fighting terrorism since the dawn of civilization, yet they're still here. I sure hope George has a Really Big Monkey Wrench if he is to succeed where others, throughout history, have failed. My last Grip. I guess if you truly believe that terrorists are born from the womb hating the world and wanting to kill, then your stance would make sense. However a more rational explanation is that terrorism is learned and fostered through their experiences and inability to achieve the things they desire in life. Address those issues and you have a much better chance of eliminating the desire for them to become terrorists in the first place. I'm all gripped out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalshion Posted September 4, 2004 Report Share Posted September 4, 2004 I have this odd feeling people are misunderstanding you're posts Jaguar Just my two cents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 5, 2004 Report Share Posted September 5, 2004 You are right Kalshion, they completely missed the whole point, but I am not going to spend the next 4 years trying to get it through thier skulls. I know what works, and Bush knows what works, and he is doing it. Destroy the terrorists when possible, change the countries that are harboring and creating terrorists into democracies, so that the people will be able to excel and not be turned into terrorists, and create an atmosphere where terrorism gets nothing but death to the terrorists and solves nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Remo Williams Posted September 5, 2004 Report Share Posted September 5, 2004 After reading over this topic and several others I must add that Jaguar comes very close to my opinion on these topics. Some of you really need to seek help if that is truly your opinions. I'm no doctor though or therapist so I'm not even going to try to enlighten you as to the truth I see how far Jags gotten with you and I'm not going to waste my time. Just keep throwing out that propaganda and calling it facts I'm sure your happier that way. Well I'm off before you loons start your attack again. Jag good luck but I'm sure you see that talking to some of these yahoos is pointless. Their bound to learn the truth the hard way no matter what you say maybe its just evolutions way of correcting mistakes. LOL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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