LostInSpace Posted October 15, 2005 Report Share Posted October 15, 2005 News Link Smurf Commercial Of course, they aren't airing this over here in the U.S., who is the biggest contributor to this organization, but just in europe. But to me the target is clear. Slamming the U.S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzle Posted October 15, 2005 Report Share Posted October 15, 2005 Um, exactly what makes you think they are slamming the U.S.? Surely not a guilty conscience... (Pssst... I think you're being a bit hyper-sensitive and you might want to turn off FOX News before they get their hands on this one.) I never liked UNICEF because of their politics of persuasion and strong arm, guilt laden tactics. This just seems like par for the course for them. Everyone should be skeptical of any charitable organization that spends so much money on advertising in an effort to raise more money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostInSpace Posted October 15, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2005 Nah, no guilty conscience just that it's rather suspicious they don't want to air it over here in the states. That speaks volumes. Of course their spin is that it was specifically made for a belgium audience. quote: The advertisement is part of UNICEF BelgiumÔÇÖs campaign to raise about $150,000 for the rehabilitation of former child soldiers in Burundi. Today, 300,000 children are being used as child soldiers in more than 30 conflicts around the world. The ad is meant to draw greater attention to the issues affecting real children. Since we all know the majority of conflicts are in, as of this time, Africa and this does not involve carpet bombing but raids on settlements using machetes and rifles. If this video was made in that fashion, then there would no question about the meaning of that clip. The fact that the only county that is either capable or partakes in carpet bombing is the U.S. So you tell me. BTW: Fox news? I read the story from everywhere but fox and msnbc. The news link I provided is CBS. In fact, I can't even tell you the last time I read anything from fox news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostInSpace Posted October 15, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2005 Akkk, time ran out for edit. I forgot to add this. quote:Originally posted by Grizzle: I never liked UNICEF because of their politics of persuasion and strong arm, guilt laden tactics. This just seems like par for the course for them. Everyone should be skeptical of any charitable organization that spends so much money on advertising in an effort to raise more money. QFT. I agree with you there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkling Posted October 15, 2005 Report Share Posted October 15, 2005 This is why I contribute to the Christian Childrens Fund, they spend the vast majority of their money where it needs to go.... The Kids! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzle Posted October 15, 2005 Report Share Posted October 15, 2005 LIS, It was made for Belgian TV because the artist that created the Smurfs was from Belgium. A little home town flavor eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostInSpace Posted October 15, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2005 quote:Originally posted by Grizzle: LIS, It was made for Belgian TV because the artist that created the Smurfs was from Belgium. A little home town flavor eh? Yup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Remo Williams Posted October 15, 2005 Report Share Posted October 15, 2005 Sounds good to me! I think they are yelling that not one European country alone matches the US contribution, of course if you combine serveral it looks better. Regardless of that though it looks good to see Europe doing something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 16, 2005 Report Share Posted October 16, 2005 I think that it's about time someone killed off those little Blue Freaks. But that's just me..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostInSpace Posted October 16, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2005 quote:Originally posted by Jaguar: I think that it's about time someone killed off those little Blue Freaks. But that's just me..... Word has it that it was the Carebears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soback Posted October 16, 2005 Report Share Posted October 16, 2005 quote:Originally posted by JUDGExKTF: quote:Originally posted by LostInSpace: Of course, they aren't airing this over here in the U.S., who is the biggest contributor to this organization You guys are always shouting: "We are the biggest contributer etc. etc". Take a look at this: http://www.unicef.org/publications/files/U...ort2004_eng.pdf In thousands of US dollars. 1 United States 262,782 2 United Kingdom 187,957 3 Japan 155,605 4 Norway 135,130 5 Netherlands 113,405 To sumurize it: US: 262 Europe: 761 Also the Netherlands are placed fifth, with only 16 million inhabitants. The US doesnt pay a dime compared to other members of the international community. Which is fine by me, just stop yelling: "We pay everything, we pay everything". [/QB]Ummm. MAJOR NEWS BREAK. US = 1 country Erope = DOZEN+ If you insist on doing math your way, how about we combine US, every other nation against Europe. US doesn't pay a dime? You ungratefull....I wish we didn't so that you would see the results. Have you taken math in school? If Netherlands placed 5th and US placed 1st. How do you figure we don't pay a dime? How about Netherlands doesn't pay a dime compared to the rest of the world. Would that be a fair assesment under your mathematical logic? PS. Oh, and by the way. I didn't see any European helicopters, ships, or relief workers after Katrina. So, why don't you sit back, and enjoy this. [ 10-16-2005, 09:43 AM: Message edited by: Soback ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soback Posted October 16, 2005 Report Share Posted October 16, 2005 Really. You want to do divide per person instead of per country. How about you divide Chinas donations then. See how much your beloved neighbors care. Oh, I forgot, they are your socialist friends and therefore off the bashing market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soback Posted October 16, 2005 Report Share Posted October 16, 2005 How about France. $1.0 per person Or Congo. CONGO has donated almost as much as France. $1.0 per person. THAT'S CONGO China, $.04. Yeah, that's right. China, which Europeans favor more than US, which was shown by the latest polls, in the post YOU have posted not so long ago. Has donated $0.04 Do I hear you say anything about that? And then there's Afghanistan. Wikipedia has this to say about it "With a population of 29 million people, it is among the poorest countries in the world." Here , Has donated $.94 So, considering how US not only donates MORE than other COUNTRIES (maybe now you want to go back to per country rather than per person). It also: Provides military protection to EU. Has operations in the middle east. Has liberated Afghanistan, the same country, that is among the poorest in the world, that donated as much as France did. Has liberated Iraq, and is in progress of establishing their government. At the same time, finds time and more money to donate to humanitarian causes. What does EU do? Donates, and breeds people who have the odasity to say US doesn't donate a dime? Or US is stingy? Or US is worse than China? Or US is the greatest threat to the world? And if you still want to stick to your per person calculations. Well, THEN read BELOW. Oh. And by the way. Unless I missed it. I don't see Spain as donating on that list. Yes, SPAIN = ZERO. Here, take a look for yourself. [ 10-16-2005, 11:24 AM: Message edited by: Soback ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soback Posted October 16, 2005 Report Share Posted October 16, 2005 Oh, I am sorry. I did find Spain. $27,226. ROFL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soback Posted October 16, 2005 Report Share Posted October 16, 2005 Really, NOW, after I have said all this, NOW it doesn't matter who donates and how much. ROFL, NOW you say "All this has nothing to do with which nation gives the most or not. " Why don't you say it to Judge instead of me. If you have read the thread, you should know that he was the one who opened his mouth and blabed that "Compared to international community, US doesn't donate a dime". Or is Netherlands too close to Spain, and contributes a little too much to the recreation and self hemp medication to tell him that and risk offending gengle sensitivities of a fellow member. While a post ago you were saying "why don't you divide the national figures by the number of citizens per country ? Then you will see were people care about international children help." And NOW you try to smuther the whole argument by telling me "Soback, you are a lost case who congenitally don't get it." You should have held your tongue in the first place Nomad. And said the same to Judge. It's a little too late to change your stance after I have brought up all the other points about China, Europes views, dontations per country vs. donations per person, and US other involvments in the world. Here's a word of wisdom from EU's favored Chinese "In the closed mouth no fly can fly into". [ 10-16-2005, 12:16 PM: Message edited by: Soback ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Remo Williams Posted October 16, 2005 Report Share Posted October 16, 2005 Here is a saying from the US. Pull my finger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soback Posted October 16, 2005 Report Share Posted October 16, 2005 Yeah, and I wonder who that applies to. When I pointed out Judges odacity by saying "If you insist on doing math your way, how about we combine US, every other nation against Europe." You missed the moon, and all you saw was my finger. Attacking it, trying to flip the argument with donations per person rather then dontaion per country. And when that didn't work. When I pointed a second and a third. Then, finally your head turned, saw my points, saw Judges remark -"The US doesnt pay a dime compared to other members of the international community."- And now, all of a sudden, trying to backtrack with your own -"All this has nothing to do with which nation gives the most or not."- LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Remo Williams Posted October 16, 2005 Report Share Posted October 16, 2005 The way I see it since these are government donation thatÔÇÖs as far as I break it down nation-to-nation contributions. The people didn't tell the government how much to contribute they did this all on their own. Now when the people of the US decide to make individual donations to a cause without the interference of government, which is, known to happen. Then lets break it down by person that donated in each nation and see what we come up with. The US government has no right to give away our tax dollars IMO. This money is to be used local. When the need arise that outside assistance is needed by another nation the government should come to the people and asked that we donate. Besides this is childish my daddy gave more than your daddy sort of crap come on guys we can do better than this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Remo Williams Posted October 16, 2005 Report Share Posted October 16, 2005 I guess we can't do better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 16, 2005 Report Share Posted October 16, 2005 Wow, wasted humor.... At least LIS got it.... [ 10-16-2005, 04:37 PM: Message edited by: Remo Williams ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Remo Williams Posted October 16, 2005 Report Share Posted October 16, 2005 quote:Originally posted by Jaguar: Wow, wasted humor.... At least LIS got it.... Sorry Jag I hit the edit instead of quote icon again. I hate when i do that. LOL! Anyway, heh, I got it just didn't speak up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzle Posted October 16, 2005 Report Share Posted October 16, 2005 Remo, I don't think they are government donations. I'm pretty sure when they cite international statistics, that the donations are all from private individuals and corps. I've never heard of any gov't giving money directly to UNICEF, especially when they can give it directly to the cause at hand. I could be wrong, but that's my take on it. In any event I agree, it's pretty useless to argue about it. But I can understand some posters taking offense at the "U.S. is the be all, end all of everything" stance. BTW, at the pull my finger joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Remo Williams Posted October 16, 2005 Report Share Posted October 16, 2005 Thanks Grizzle, I wasn't sure on that, I assumed it was government now I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aperson Posted October 16, 2005 Report Share Posted October 16, 2005 quote:Originally posted by Grizzle: Remo, I don't think they are government donations.You sure? The link Judge gave has "Goverment donors" over the amount he quoted. Interesting enough the US contribution to UNICEF is mostly goveremnt money with a smaller amount from the private sector. While Japan and many European countries primary giving donations from the private sector. (All that recieved from pages 47 and 52-53 of the 2004 annual report and deductions were done with good amounts of eyeballing) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzle Posted October 17, 2005 Report Share Posted October 17, 2005 quote:Originally posted by Aperson: quote:Originally posted by Grizzle: Remo, I don't think they are government donations.You sure? The link Judge gave has "Goverment donors" over the amount he quoted. Yeah, I saw that too after I posted. It might be certain government agencies, which essentially amounts to the government. In any event I personally don't think our government should be donating money to UNICEF if that's the case. That should be the first thing they cut from the budget next time around. Let us private folks deal with the UNICEF thugs when they roll around to our workplaces insisting on meeting their quota. Mind you, I give them credit for the good they actually do, but just think how much more good they could do without all those "paid volunteers" and high marketing budgets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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