Guest Mechwarrior Posted August 5, 1999 Report Share Posted August 5, 1999 {RP} Urgent message from Commander Mechwarrior of the UCV Black Panther: Attention Commanders of all race, castes, commands or species. I Commander Mechwarrior have created a small squadron of mercenaries. We need new recruits for the squadron. That is why I am calling you to join us. You can keep your Battle cruiser rank and honor. you will need the skills to do all types of standard missions and a Battle Cruiser that has all the needed spare parts and cash to perform repairs in deep space. I have already set up connections with an Insurgent base to dock with. When you join 550,000 credits split among the group and compensation for loss of crew, damage to your cruiser and Support vessels.if you wish to join respond here or e-mail me @ I Am [email protected] (spaces included)------------------ Mechwarrior of the UCV Black Panther. "Chaos comes from the depths of our souls, victory through our actions. With these we rule the galaxy unchallenged."[This message has been edited by Mechwarrior (edited 08-04-99).][This message has been edited by Mechwarrior (edited 08-05-99).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 5, 1999 Report Share Posted August 5, 1999 Commander MechWarriorAs you know, there is already an extenisve system of castes, etc. in the game. A directive was issued some months ago stating that no new fleets were to be created.However, seeing as Battlecruiser 3020 AD is well on it's way towards being released, and seeing as several castes other than GALCOM *MAY* (and I stress *may*) be playable in BC3020AD, with the permission of the SC I am willing to accept this "fleet" of yours as an official application.May I remind you of the appropriate protocols for starting an official BC fleet. They are located at Section 5.0 in the document at http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Arena.../iss/intel.html . The specific section on starting a fleet is summarised below. quote: Fleet formation, on the other hand, is a different area entirely in the Online Universe. A battalion can be created by a single player, with other "members" of the battalion made up from that playersÔÇÖ imagination. A fleet, on the other hand, must contain more than one player. By definition, a fleet in the Battlecruiser Online Universe (and in the role-playing game) is a collection of commanders and their ships, united by a similar interest or speciality. Should you wish to create a fleet, a notice should be posted to the Commlink Forum, with a copy being emailed to Fleet Operations (myself) at [email protected]. This notice should contain the following information: The name of the fleet; The founding members of the fleet; The area the fleet wishes to specialise in; Who players and fans can contact to join; Some background information about the fleet.It is important to develop your fleet, at least a bit. Give it a purpose, a catchy slogan or name, or an emblem. Something to make it "cool". Once this notice is posted, other players have a week to raise objections. If no objections have been raised, and you have received approval from the Commander in Chief, then the fleet may begin operations. If any objections have been raised, these must be resolved before the fleet can begin operations. Oh - I want to see at least five members of your fleet before I make it official. We've had too much trouble in the past with fleets being started up by a single person and just disappearing.May I also suggest that rather than Mercenaries, you create a fleet of Raiders. The manual will give you more information on the differences between these two castes, and there is a higher chance of Raiders being a playable caste in BC 3020 AD. May I stress once more that the possiblity of playing other castes in BC3020AD is only a certainty being considered at this stage.So, give me five members, some fleet info, and the SC's OK, and we'll consider your application to form a new fleet.OH - UCV is not an official ship designator. Just use your ship name until we come up with a more appropriate designator for Raider or Mercenary ships.Good luck in your endeavours - personally I think it'd be nice to have a non-military fleet, but it all hinges on whether you can show me it's likely to be succesful, and get the SC's approval.------------------ Commander DeSylva GCV First Light ISS01 -=- ISS Fleet Coordinator www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Arena/9206/iss/ Official BC3K Tester and Blind Man With Sleeves award winner "Serve - with honour." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Lindsey Posted August 5, 1999 Report Share Posted August 5, 1999 DeSylva, you have missed something. Derek has allowed UCV as "Undesignated Command Vessel" . Can't remember the thread now but a search on "undesignated" should yield results. It IS there. So far as I know the race/caste is intact just the affiliation is different or loner as it were. Mechwarrior has started something unique to the BC universe that will come in handy in 3020 and Multiplay. Personally I like it. Will I join it? Probably not . What more could you ask for? *G*I'll hunt the thread tomorrow.. It's late here. Commander Chavik ICV Phoenix "We Shall Arise From The Ashes" Official BC3K Tester[This message has been edited by Charles Lindsey (edited 08-05-99).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpcFX Posted August 5, 1999 Report Share Posted August 5, 1999 DeSylva,Here is a section of Derek's Ruling. quote:At any rate, in light of these developments, you are now stripped of your GALCOM designation. Please remove the GCV tag from your sig. Since we don't know where you are, I guess you can keep the ship but you are neither GCV nor ECV or even ICV designation. You should use the UCV (Unregistered Command Vessel) tag from now on. That is my ruling.So, next time you post, you should be using UCV-DARK RIFT (Raider) in your sig. You can change the caste to anything you like (other than GALCOM, Earthcom, Military, Insurgent, Diplomat, Police) I only used Raider as an example. There is a new Mercenary caste in BC:3020AD anyway, so, you can use that now if you like.Yes, I just made that whole UCV thing up as I was typing it and have updated the BC:3020AD manuscript accordingly. Anyone not belonging to a fleet, can use this and select any caste they like. You will be able to do the same thing in multiplayer anyway.Supreme Commander D. SmartHowever, I don't think Mech will get many taker since the "dollar" went out of circulation centuries ago and in 3000ad the amount he listed is only worth about 1 GalCredit [This message has been edited by SpcFX (edited 08-05-99).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 5, 1999 Report Share Posted August 5, 1999 Cool, point taken. Thanks for picking me up. What I MEANT, though, is that UCV (as far as I read it) was meant to be a temporary thing until he decided on a caste/affiliation. Now that he has, with SC approval, started a fleet for Mercenaries (or raiders, if I can persuade him to change his mind...I've always had a soft spot for raiders) we may be able to review it.Anyway, I await a response from Mechwarrior. ------------------ Commander DeSylva GCV First Light ISS01 -=- ISS Fleet Coordinator www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Arena/9206/iss/ Official BC3K Tester and Blind Man With Sleeves award winner "Serve - with honour." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ron Wallin Posted August 5, 1999 Report Share Posted August 5, 1999 That's cool, so I can now start creating my own Raider fleets, and Mercenary fleets, and assassin fleets, etc., etc., etc.,...Hope you get the point!Additionally, I lodge a formal complaint against allowing a mercenary FLEET. The definition of a Merc. is "gun for hire". They don't do things for themselves, other governments or for charity.Mercenaries exhist solely to make a profit at being psuedo military! Otherwise, we've already got a mercenary fleet: SPECTRE...Mech chose to be an outsider/outcast alone. I suggest he stays that way, or do what is necessary to join.------------------ Cmdr. Akira ICV Nevermore Spectre, Command Staff Base Commander, The Dojo Official Tester Battlecruiser Series[This message has been edited by Ron Wallin (edited 08-05-99).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Foss Posted August 5, 1999 Report Share Posted August 5, 1999 I agree wholeheartedly with your take on the matter, Akira. A merc is a merc. Not a goverment, not a politician... Not a fleet leader. Those who rush in and create a fleet for the sole purpose (it seems... I could be wrong) of saying that they are a leader... Well, let's just say I prefer being in charge of my own little BC, rather than an entire fleet. Part of a fleet is fine. I just don't think I can handle being top dog. I still wonder how you do it, SC.------------------ Commander David Foss, GCV Deterrence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 5, 1999 Report Share Posted August 5, 1999 Maybe not a FLEET, so much as an organization. We've all seen movies or read books or played games that have SOME kind of organized Mercs, haven't we? Anyone object to a Mercenary Organization? Categorized as a fleet so as not to create a whole new category of player groups? Just my two cents.------------------ Commander Alun Tringad GCV Black Falcon ISS03 Tactical Support Coordinator, ISS Fleet Bushi of the Dragon Council - Order of Jade Dragon Director of Strategic Operations - Order of Jade Dragon "Honor and courage, above all else" Official BC3K Webring Administrator [email protected] ICQ: 18001147 welcome.to/bc3k [This message has been edited by William Ramsay (edited 08-05-99).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ron Wallin Posted August 5, 1999 Report Share Posted August 5, 1999 Yes, I object. I've e-mailed DeSylva with some suggestions in addition to what I've posted above.Mercenaries in all the books and movies, if ever, only act in teams of 4 or 5 PEOPLE. Not a team of 4 or 5 Battlecruisers. In theory, a mercenary ship would contain the head of the mercanries (ie, the cmdr.), and his team of merc's.Notice that it's still ONE ship. Not a flotilla.Additionaly, I'm against what I feel is a ME TOO situation. That was the purpose of first portion of my previous post. If we are not careful, then every person that unwraps a BC3020 box will visit this site, create a fleet and never be heard from again.Or worse, having little or no experience with this RP universe, will come in and stomp on what many have spent a good amount of time building (not to mention the hours DS has put into his product).Additionally, NO WHERE in DS's posts did he mention that he was allowing the creation of any NEW fleets. He merely said that Mech. could choose a different caste and go it ALONE. Then Mech. chose to DISREGARD DS's ruling and come up with something else again... Read the thread for yourself.------------------ Cmdr. Akira ICV Nevermore Spectre, Command Staff Base Commander, The Dojo Official Tester Battlecruiser Series Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 5, 1999 Report Share Posted August 5, 1999 Yes, Ron, I've read the thread and you have a very valid point. All I'm saying is I have no objections. I kinda like the idea. If DeSylva asks DS and he gives it a go, good. If not, then Mech can drop the idea. I not saying he should go against the SC, but if DS changes his mind, then ok, I'm all for it.I guess I should keep my money to myself from now on... ------------------ Commander Alun Tringad GCV Black Falcon ISS03 Tactical Support Coordinator, ISS Fleet Bushi of the Dragon Council - Order of Jade Dragon Director of Strategic Operations - Order of Jade Dragon "Honor and courage, above all else" Official BC3K Webring Administrator [email protected] ICQ: 18001147 welcome.to/bc3k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mechwarrior Posted August 5, 1999 Report Share Posted August 5, 1999 Please! Please! Put away your lasers and sit down! Ever since I made this thread you've all been at eachother throats! Look, all I wanted was a small unoffical squadron that I could use in 3020 AD. 4 or 5 people would be fine. Oh sure I could make it a fleet and maybe I should, but I dont want to if all we'll be is spat upon. I wasnt asking for a fleet. Sure, I made a mistake ticked people off and was locked away for 9 days, but I've learned my lesson. I created this thread as an add for my squadron and you've turned it into blood bathed arena.------------------ Mechwarrior of the UCV Black Panther. "Chaos comes from the depths of our souls, victory through our actions. With these we rule the galaxy unchallenged."[This message has been edited by Mechwarrior (edited 08-05-99).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 5, 1999 Report Share Posted August 5, 1999 MechWarrior said in his first post that he was creating a "Small Merc squadron"... I dont know how that got twisted into "fleet" in this thread.Yep, he has started something that is bound to be VERY common in 3020... a squadron! Good Luck with your squadron Mechwarrior! (assuming the SC has approved it). ------------------ Fleet Commander Daniel "Tac" Londono GCV Usagi =Wraith Fleet= "Hard,Fast, Furious...FIRST!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mechwarrior Posted August 5, 1999 Report Share Posted August 5, 1999 Thank you Tac for you support! Look if you wana join the squadron great e-mail me at the address in my first post above. If not, I suggest you stopp filling this thread. Im glad you have your opinions thats just fine but this s for people who wish to join------------------ Mechwarrior of the UCV Black Panther. "Chaos comes from the depths of our souls, victory through our actions. With these we rule the galaxy unchallenged." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supreme Cmdr Posted August 5, 1999 Report Share Posted August 5, 1999 Permission to create a new fleet is DENIED.And until BC:3020AD is released, there won't be any new fleets or race/castes created. Any commander not belonging to a registered fleet, should use the UCV designation until further notice.Once BC:3020AD+mp are out, I will have a dedicated and redesigned fleet page here. The BC3K universe is not a free for all. I will later allow the creation of new fleets but with specific designations, rules etc which augment what DeSylva already has. So, if MechWarrior wants to create a Raider Fleet (he won't be allowed to), he will have to demonstrate leadership etc.In fact, now that I think about it, for new official fleets, I will list them all, including the allowed race/caste affiliations, have people enroll and then pick a leader based on some criteria that I will cook up in my sleep.All the fleet leaders here, did not spring up over night. They are dedicated vets who know the game and its universe inside out. They are leaders. It would be insulting to have some upstart just spring up overnight (especially one such as Mechwarrior who has been discipined once and was only re-instated last night) and form a fleet.The next person to create a fleet, think of a new fleet, dream of one of even hint that he's doing any of the above, is going to get disciplined.All the fleet leaders here are official testers and therefore, I will work with them in constructing a criteria for creating new fleets, assigning stations, wings etc, when the time comes. For now, DeSylva, Spcfx, Akira, Tac etc, why don't you guys send me a proposal for the new fleets with a diverse selection of race/caste affiliations?That is all.------------------ Supreme Commander D. Smart GCV-Warmonger GALCOM Prime Fleet [This message has been edited by Supreme Cmdr (edited 08-05-99).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mechwarrior Posted August 5, 1999 Report Share Posted August 5, 1999 Supreme Commander let me clearly state that I WAS NOT looking to create a fleet in any way shape or form. all I wish is an unofficial non game universe endorsed online squadron for the sequal which i can use and thats all ------------------ Mechwarrior of the UCV Black Panther. "Chaos comes from the depths of our souls, victory through our actions. With these we rule the galaxy unchallenged." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Antti Junkkari Posted August 5, 1999 Report Share Posted August 5, 1999 quote:All the fleet leaders here are official testersWhat should I think about this?------------------ Fleet Cmdr Junkkari, GCV-Karhu Orion Fleet Leader Member of Dragon Council www.orionf.pp.fi icq: 2506142 "Von Finnland bis zum Schwarzen Meer" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 5, 1999 Report Share Posted August 5, 1999 Hi all...this is probably my fault to a certain extent.Our definition for any group is a fleet. Even groups that ARE meant to be small squadrons (like Wraith) are referred to as Fleets to make things easier. As I recall I got picked up a few times for referring to Wraith Fleet as Wraith Squadron...*grin*.Mercenaries AND Raiders act in gangs. This is well known. And this is what I had in mind for Mechwarriors group.I have taken Akira's email into consideration, and he has brought up some very good points. The most salient being that Mechwarrior, as a person fairly new to the game, doesn;t really have the same qualification as the other Fleet commanders out there. And no, I don't want to open the floodgates to a whole heap of new Fleets that are going to upset our whole RPG structure.However, what Tac says is also very accurate...when Battlecruiser 3020 comes out, it is going to have an MP system a lot like Quake and Quake2, with quasi persistent servers, and TCP-IP access. This means that the things ythat encouraged the formation of Quake Clans are very likely going to also encourage the formation of Battlecruiser "clans".So what do we do? Do we tell people wqho have bought the game that they can;t form a team, give themselves a cool name, and make a webpage for themselves because we're in charge of that kind of thing? I don't think that's going to work. We limited the Fleets because MP wasn't around and they played such an important part in the storyline.I have a proposal, the. Perhaps it's time to introduce some new guidelines for the creation of multiplayer clans - call them squadrons, clans, whatever. I think it is very important that we maintain the current fleet structure. We can't afford to have it fall apart, not when so much of the shared fan history of this game revolves around it.My proposal is this. We allow players to form squadrons of their own accord, without any approval. These squadrons must be limited to a small number of players - say, no more than ten - and they must be attached to an already existing fleet. GALCOM squadrons would be part of Prime Fleet. EarthCOM Squadrons would be part of the main EarthCOM battlegroup - Karl or McQueen, advise me on this...*grin*. Insurgent Squadrons would be part of Spectre Fleet. Squadrons for other castes, if included in the game, would be more free to customise because the other castes would be non-military and as such players wouldn't have to fit into the chain of command somewhere. so in Mechwarrior's case, he could form a Squadron / Gang of Mercenaries, or Raiders, or whatever, with players in it. It wouldn't be counmted officially as a Fleet, and as such wouldn't be included in the official Commander's Roster, etc., but it WOULD be valid in multiplayer.I can;t think of any other way to address this issue. Mechwarrior has brought up a very important issue. The fact is, newbie Commanders who buy 3020AD and unwrap it WILL want to start their own MP gangs, clans, etc. - and if we try and stop them, all we will do is breed bad blood. The development of Clans hasn;t hurt the Quake community - in fact, it's encouraged it, giving rise to inter-clan tourneys and keeping the MP aspect of the game fresh and encouraging players to keep on playing.Now, to other problems. Mechwarrior, I was willing to consider your application, but spamming a huge number of email addresses (I won;t ask where you got them from but if I find that you trolled this board or any fleet pages to compile that list I will be very unimpressed) and using a hacked AOL account is very poor form. spamming and using hacked accounts are two things strongly disapproved of on this board and in this community. Do NOT let me catch you doing this again. I had a very long email concerning your proposal for a gang/fleet written out and sewnt only to have it bounced back to me two hours later. Not impressed. Try harder. *grin*.I will leave this thread open and I will await your responses on this topic of whether or not to allow the formation of Squadrons for MP with less restrictions (and less power) than fully fledged Fleets. Squadrons being equivalent to Quake Clans - gatherings of players that can be used in MP but do not feature in the game (as the Fleets, with their stations, etc., now do).Yours,------------------ Commander DeSylva GCV First Light ISS01 -=- ISS Fleet Coordinator www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Arena/9206/iss/ Official BC3K Tester and Blind Man With Sleeves award winner "Serve - with honour." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Antti Junkkari Posted August 5, 1999 Report Share Posted August 5, 1999 Yes yes you're serving with honour again Michael..------------------ Fleet Cmdr Junkkari, GCV-Karhu Orion Fleet Leader Member of Dragon Council www.orionf.pp.fi icq: 2506142 "Von Finnland bis zum Schwarzen Meer" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mechwarrior Posted August 5, 1999 Report Share Posted August 5, 1999 Maybe I should just shoot myself for starting this whole ugly thing. Of course there going to be people in groups in 3020AD. Heck, the whole idea is to play with your buddy. I did not mean to raise an issue here just to star a squadron which in my definition is 4 or 5 people with a BC, a common bond, and the orginization enough to fly in a group. I dont want u to close the form i find this interesting and frustrating. you go at eachother and point fingures at me? What did I do? Post a thread send a few e-mails? (which are all listed in the roster for your info) I did nothing wrong. With every new idea comes controversy. You took it the wrong way. Well Im sorry. Maybe I should resign so you can all throw i big good ridence party.------------------ Mechwarrior of the UCV Black Panther. "Chaos comes from the depths of our souls, victory through our actions. With these we rule the galaxy unchallenged." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Antti Junkkari Posted August 5, 1999 Report Share Posted August 5, 1999 Nobody's pointing fingers to you... if someone's going to shoot himself that's gonna be me, not you.This has been discussed before, this is.. bullshit. Now DeSylva has got a little point in his mail... but it's better to wait are there gonna be players enough to even form new fleets than think about it now.Derek I┬┤m not Leader anymore or what?------------------ Fleet Cmdr Junkkari, GCV-Karhu Orion Fleet Leader Member of Dragon Council www.orionf.pp.fi icq: 2506142 "Von Finnland bis zum Schwarzen Meer"[This message has been edited by Antti Junkkari (edited 08-05-99).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mechwarrior Posted August 5, 1999 Report Share Posted August 5, 1999 If noones pointing fingures than every one should calme down and back off so every one that may want to join will instead of being scared off[This message has been edited by Mechwarrior (edited 08-05-99).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sebastian Vauban Posted August 5, 1999 Report Share Posted August 5, 1999 Ok. I have come up with a solution to this whole problem, and I would ask that MAYBE the Supreme Commander would MAYBE consider implementing this within the game, in order to appease the MP gaming world around us. Now, the numbers are not unchangable...but these are a premise to work from...We all know good and well that 5 BCs are no match for even GALCOM HQ, so this is the idea:Any player can start a...for lack of a better word, "Squadron" game from a multiplayer menu. Once on a server with squadron support, a player will choose a fleet designation, and then be launched from their respective station location. Assume the BC in case is being launched from GALCOM HQ. Once launched, the commander of the BC must locate a squadron member or leader in order to join it. SO, if a squadron of ships is located around Neptune and sends one BC to Earth, the commander of the BC who wishes to join can hail the craft from the squadron and ask wether or not he can join. The craft's commander will respond with yes or no, and depending upon the answer, the other BC will become or remain in its current squadron.This is how it might look:(Joe wants to join the Death Squadron.) Commlink: A BC from the Death Squadron has just entered Sol. They are designated as Friendly.(Joe presses "h" to hail the ship. A menu comes up with an option to join their fleet/squadron. He chooses "join squadron". A commander on the Death Squadron ship reads this Commlink: Commander Joe of the GCV-Whatever, designated as Friendly, has requested to join your squadron. You have clearance to approve or deny his/her request.(The Death Squadron commander presses "h" to hail. His menu has the same options, but now has a "Approve Squadron Addition" or "Deny Squadron Addition" option. He presses "Approve..." and then, depending on wether his squadron is full, Joe's BC takes on the Squadron logo for the Death Squadron. If the Squadron is full, it will tell them both that it is so, or whatever...this is just basics. ALso, the Death Squadron Commander might just hail with a question like, "WHy do you want to join..."etc. until he is satisfied with the applicant or decides to blow him up.)So lets say Joe cant get in a squadron...OH NO! So he goes to the Squadron Menu of his BC and Selects the "Create Squadron" option...well...if the server he is on has an 8 squadron limit, and there are 7 squadrons in the game, he can do it. He'll chose a logo, etc...then, other people can join HIS squadron. ANOTHER THING... Let's say Joe is in GALCOM but wants to be an insurgent...how might he do this? Well...he flies to an insurgent ship (non NPC) and if he can hail them before they blow him up, he can ask to join...if they accept (the same way as the squadron idea), he'll be designated as Insurgent. See? Easy as pie...Now, these are good ideas, and I like them, but I'm not sure the SC will want to modify his engine...BUT remember SC...This is a GAMERS point of view. I hope this helped... ------------------ Commander Sebastian Le Prestre Vauban GCV Stabat Mater, Orion Fleet GALCOM SpecOps Division "Let your plans be dark and impenetrable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt." Sun Tzu, The Art of War 6:19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mechwarrior Posted August 5, 1999 Report Share Posted August 5, 1999 Just relax..... I only wanted to organize a group of people who, in the sequal, would come together ONLY online. This is not to create a clan or a fleet just a bunch of "groupies" who get hired for odd jobs to maintain themselves within the online gaming universe. Not offline not in the original gaming universe. WE call ourselves merces so we get hired to do jobs. Like a secretary almost.------------------ Mechwarrior of the UCV Black Panther. "Chaos comes from the depths of our souls, victory through our actions. With these we rule the galaxy unchallenged." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpcFX Posted August 5, 1999 Report Share Posted August 5, 1999 Gents,It appears we need some terminology set forth. A squadron is a division of a larger group under one Commander. Your interceptors aboard your Battlecruiser is a Squadron. Tac's use of squadrons within his fleet is also used correctly. But to just start a squadron from a group of several vessels is skirting the fleet structure. I see that the orginal post has changed, thus making this thread hard to navigate and invalidating some of the later posts. Cmdr Mark Giao GVC-Jackal Official BC3K Tester Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mechwarrior Posted August 6, 1999 Report Share Posted August 6, 1999 I cant go flying around in a bunch of IC's we'd be target practice for anyone.------------------ Mechwarrior of the UCV Black Panther. "Chaos comes from the depths of our souls, victory through our actions. With these we rule the galaxy unchallenged." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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