Jump to content
3000AD Forums
Sign in to follow this  
Supreme Cmdr

Fleet Proposal

Recommended Posts

Michael and Ron,

All I was attempting to do was interject that, as with most things in life, Without Rules, there can be no structure. Being a retired career military member, I have no problem with operating within rules and structures. Some of our members out there have never had to experience this type of environment and, accordingly, kick and shout when someone gently slips that bit into their mouth. We can discuss this topic until we are all old and grey (I'd just get greyer because I'm already OLD in most Gamer's eyes) smile.gif"><P>I

------------------

Rattler, Spectre, Insurgent One

Official BC3K Tester

[email protected]

ICQ 12894104

[This message has been edited by Rattler (edited 08-17-99).]

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I have read this entire thread again and I have to say that between the lot of you (especially Ron's excellent summary argument), it seems that there is a light at the end of this seemingly long tunnel.

One thing to remember, none of us were prepared for the popularity of the product and if folks thing we're swamped now, wait until BC:3020AD comes out and the first person addicts get to play it. We'll attract a whole new generation. So, I fear that our numbers will only increase. I have checked the stats of this site again and we have so much traffic, its not even funny. Since you only need to register in order to post, those numbers are not as high as one would expect. Check this http://www.akorn.net/~stats/bc3000ad/

So, one thing that I have to say is that in all of this, my original ruling still stands and I am all for keeping MP and RP as separate and distinct entities with the rules already established and which govern said statutes. Though we run the danger of alienating a minority, we have to take the pill and establish guidelines for both entities or we will only have chaos. Remember, though GALCOM is a military organization, it was my choice to expand said premise in order to allow the universe to expand, evolve and remain dynamic. That was the whole reason why I heavily promoted the Insurgents. Heck, that was so successful, most my own people defected! And I allowed it. I even did the extra work and actually implemented fleets, in the game in order to express my commitment to the very premise that governs this game and the actions of its fans.

We are an elite group of players. Be it a GALCOM military, Insurgent or Raider, we are that. You don't get to be an elite without rules and regs or even some sort of direction. So, if we are going to eliminate and/or alienate a minority who just don't get it, so be it. I could care less because at the end of the day, order will prevail in the pursuit of separating the wheat from the chaff. There can be no other way.

So, without further ado, let the discussions continue and once we are in agreement regarding the very principles, DeSylva, will need to write up the basic rules and regs for both MP and RP, then send those to me. I will make the necessary commentary, put the whole thing in an HTML file, post it on a prominent page on the site and, it will become law. Those who don't abide by it, will bear the consequences of being 'outsiders'. The extent of my banishment would be server side lockouts of my site and my official MP servers. I plan on running at least 3 high performance official servers around the clock on an ISDN or Cable backbone) with stats tracking. Playing on an MP server will be like posting in the RP forum. Stick to the rules and you'll be fine. In fact, the more I think about it, the more I think that I will have a server dedicated to the RP nature of the game so that creative partipants can enact their storylines or actually create their storylines as they go along. With the excellent debugging and tracking tools, all actions can be logged to a file (server side option) and that log can be used to convert the online RP action to a story that can then be posted and augmented as it progresses. This is not fiction. It is a reality because that is the very structure and premise of the game that you are now playing. I will not have free for all on my servers (thats why they are official servers) and anyone playing on them must abide by the rules and regs and be a recognized figure or they won't gain access. Period. If for instance, the ever resilient Cmdr Akira bites the bullet on one fine dark night, there is nothing stopping Ron from creating a new character and manufacturing the clone of his original if he so pleases. As long as it is in character and within the rules of the game, it is allowed. Multiple characters will not be allowed (trust me, I'll know) on those servers and the fact that my goal is to keep the server persistent, this will be beneficiary to the very premise of this game.

I don't care what happens on other unofficial servers. If they have X-Wing squads, thats their problem. If they go against the flow of the game and its premise, they aren't hurting me in the least. I've got their dollars and they can do what the heck they like. However, to gain entrance to my controlled world you need to abide by the rules. If any websites spring up and carry any copyrighted material and they are straying from the norm and rules that govern my copyright property, I will shut them down. Easy enough. If you want to be a fan, then you must be willing and ready to uphold the rules and regs of the game and its premise. If you don't then you go your own way, create your website/server etc, but it will unofficial and I won't bother with it as long as it does not defame and/or alter my properties in any shape or form.

....besides, I could just wake up one morning and not allow people to create their own servers. Instead, like battle.net and others like it, just host a few servers and have one of them as a free-for-all. This way, I don't have anything to worry about.

In fact, thats what I'd probably end up doing. The basic MP in the game will support about 8 folks in a non-persistent package playing against each other (the norm). But if you want to play with up to 16 (maybe even 32, if all goes well) per world on any server (I expect that each server should be able to run about 10 instances of the game for a total of 160-320 players per server) then you have to log onto my official servers. Misbehave and you are history.

I hope this is all clear. We would have to continue this dialogue until the MP/RP rules governing rules, regs and sigs, are ironed.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Just wanted to add that I have contacted Justin, my webdude who came up with this brilliant website design, that I need to overhaul the Roster page with a dynamic CGI script as per DeSylva's suggestion. Once I hear from him, we'll go from there. If there any other volunteers here, let me know 'cause I'd rather have it done for free 'cause Justin ain't cheap. smile.gif

Also, one thing I forgot to mention. As I read these RP stories (though I rarely post) I can only wonder what the feeling must be like when someone like, say, Parias or spacePhish, is happily playing on a server, keeping within the rules (now there's a stretch smile.gif) and some notable and notorious folks like Akira or Rattler, show up. I mean, just think for a moment how cool that would (depending on whose side you're on). Or better, yet, when you see, in your Tacscan, the GCV-Warmonger, indicating that I had logged on. I can only imagine it being the coolest thing. Remember Top Gun, when Viper went up and Maverick and co didn't even know? I think the response was ...oh shit, its Viper!!. Just think about that for a minute and those who think that creating chaos is OK, will immeditely see who cool it would be to have an established and notorious character. hehe, I can just hear it in the chat lobby (every server will have a chat lobby where gamers can hang out before actually playing. This is also like a waiting area if the server is full and people are waiting for others to drop etc) "....hehe, I was minding my own business terrorizing Parias and some other newbie when before you knew it, Akira showed up and it was curtains for me". or "...yeah, but I got Rattler, he didn't see it coming 'cause he was more concerned about that brand new shield"

On the non-RP server, characters can die and respawn and continue playing with the same name, no problem. But on an RP server, that person has to follow the rules and go through the motions of either dealing with the demise of a character and work into a story a way to clone him or move on with another character etc.

See the distinction already forming between MP and RP? I mean, I'm sure Parias would love to blow me up 10 times in one night without any reservations. smile.gif

[This message has been edited by Supreme Cmdr (edited 08-17-99).]

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

RP and non-RP servers. Good idea. I wondered how we would deal with the death of existing characters. (And the Evac button just got a lot more useful). That would mean that Fleet Commanders would have to be very careful about showing themselves. They would have to send their subordinates to do most of the work, or have heavy escorts. (Just like reality)

------------------

Commander Badgerius, GCV Diligence

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

SC-I agree with these rules and regs. But I just haft to say this YOUR GOING TO DIE when MP is out, I can garentee that! But anyway I have Everquest and I am in a guild that has rules and I agee with those rules as I do yours. I see that great meaning in these rules so I would make them rules As Soon As Possable. O any I realy can't say this but I am going to "YOUR NO VIPER" hehe!

------------------

UCV"Ticonderoga"

CMDR:Chris Blair

Don't underestimate what you don't or even thank that you know...

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest

LOL! yeah, I can just imagine the bulk of Prime fleet persuing Rattler across the galaxy with no regard for their own safety "just for the honor" of bagging that snake :-).

SC: I know that the "Top Gun" type of recognition of veteran players! If you would pay a visit to any NETREK server, you will see that those who have been playing it for some time are able to recognize those "dangerous" vets (even if they change their sigs.. they get recongnized by their e-mail addresses and even by their "style" of battle) and most of those people actively avoid/persue them "just because" they are good. In BC MP this will be ssssssoooo cool.

I agree with the RP rules, anyone starting an RP should post the rules up front. Good show Blades! :-)

"Also say I want to join a Galcom military fleet(Orion,Warith,etc...). THen in MP I'm in a completely diffrenct fleet, or caste. Will that be allowed? Or is it going to be if I chose to be a Galcom officer I can only be a galcom officer no matter what game I'm playing."

*The following is a response to what I THINK Spacephish implies: That an MP server will only allow you to have one account, De Sylva, SC, comments appreciated :-)

*

Well, I think that like in most MP servers, you can have more than one character, but if you really want to be noticed, you have to stick with one of them (again, see Netrek!).If I was forced to always be Terran/Military in an MP server because thats how I signed on in the first place, then when would I be able to experience the life of another caste? Perhaps each player should be allowed ONE character for each caste. Once again, I fall back to Netrek; players there can have a million accounts if they wished, but what purpose would that serve? Only newbies change their character's name because once they acquire their skills, they know they wont be taken seriously due to their loong history of "twinkness" (netrek term for clueless newbies)..so they start over with a new character and make a name for themselves with that character. Luckily, Netrek allows people to log on as "Guest" characters, allowing newbies to acquire skill without MP dishonor, and it allows dangerous, over-skilled vets to log on and abuse unsuspecting players (which lead to the Netrek axiom: "Guests advance in Rank faster!"). Perhaps if BC MP had a "Guest" login option we could get rid of the "character dishonor" thing. But this is all up to the SC and team to decide.

"See the distinction already forming between MP and RP? I mean, I'm sure Parias would love to blow me up 10 times in one night without any reservations."

Everyone take their stub and get behind the line *grin*.

Ron, De Sylva, Rattler: You folks are doing an impressive amount of work here..keep it up :-)

------------------

Fleet Commander

Daniel "Tac" Londono

GCV Usagi

=Wraith Fleet=

"Hard,Fast, Furious...FIRST!"

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Forests > trees : mountains > molehills :: but RP < MP.

To wit: RP is a subset of the entire BC3K universe, not the other way around.

Observations:

1. There are 713 registered commanders in the roster. (Or until the d/l times out.)

  • a. 353 Prime
    b. 102 Orion
    c. 83 Spectre
    d. 81 Wraith
    e. 50 ISS
    f. 44 SCID

2. There are maybe two dozen active RPers.

3. RP forum subhead = "Are you with GALCOM (GCV), EarthCOM (ECV) or the Insurgents (ICV)."

Problem: Folks are getting confused over the signature issue.

Probable Cause: The term "RP" is just too broad for what is desired.

Potential Solution: Change the term.

IOW, just rename the RP forum to the "Terran Fleet Archives" or something similiar. That will keep the traditionalists happy and make it clear to newbies that the forum is not designed to support general roleplay.

Anybody who says "But I wanna be a Gammulan Raider" can be, and they can feel free to post their stories in the Gammulan Criminal Investigation Division Archives, if they can find them.

Maybe, later, a "Tales from the Edge of Space" forum can be created where any intinerant who ever hitched a ride on an LRT-10 can regale us with their prose. In the meantime, tough. Seriously, they are currently too few and too far between to worry about.

You don't have to go around creating definitions and fundamental rules if the terms you use are pretty much self-defining. With "Terran Fleet Archives" you don't need a definition, and you can make up straightforward rules and police yourselves in the forum.

As for the rest of the forums, the signatures are probably moot. I notice nobody ever gets hassled for not having any signature at all. And let's face it, go back and look at observation 1 again. Of those 353 GALCOM members, 300 registered solely to ask "Why can't I get orbit to work?" The other fleets? It would be interesting to see if they could get half, or even a quarter, of their registered members to respond to a rollcall. If Lando shows up commanding the Cloud Nine and his signature is screwed up, so what? He's probably only gonna post to Tech Sup or New Commanders once or twice anyway. The only reason for the hassles in the first place seems to be someone was afraid the signatures might somehow contaminate the RP forum. But if it ain't part of a story, then the signature doesn't matter much; right, wrong or missing.

And now that I consider it, maybe the UCV prefix should be dropped--if you're not in a Terran fleet, then you should have no prefix at all--just your ship's name on your signature line, if you have one. The GCV, ECV, ICV are fleet designations; if you're not part of a fleet then you are obviously undesignated and the non-fleet designation of UCV (undesignated/unregistered command vessel) seems contradictory. (Just because UCV might pop up on my HUD from IFFing your ship, why should I expect you to include it in your signature. I'd much rather see your current shield, hull, and integrity readings.) Besides, the existing designations don't show up in the game, unless you enter it yourself as part of your ship's name. Then again, you can always try to list the roster here and wait for the table to build if you really have to see it somewhere.

I really don't know which would take more time and effort--correcting people who use UCV wrong; or, if it were dropped, correcting people who used prefixes when they shouldn't.

[Just to throw another bone on the pile. Technically (i.e. according to the manual) EarthCOM and the Insurgents are castes. Since you can't be more than one caste, neither of them can also be military (a separate caste); since only the military has fleets, how ECV and ICV fleets came about in the first place must be a good story. Probably that "Looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck" routine. smile.gif]

------------------

Cmdr Pherrett

GCV-STRATOS

Official Tester, Battlecruiser Series

[email protected]

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it"

-- George Santayana

"You got to change your evil ways"

--Carlos Santana

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I agree with the points being brought up here, but I think people are missing one of the major points of the SC's last post. (Or at least no one has commented on it)

If we have two types of MP servers, RP and Non-RP the distinction is this: If Rattler's ship is destroyed in an RP server, and he does not Evac (ie, his avatar dies) Then Rattler is dead, or at least captured by whoever destroyed his ship, and Spectre needs a new leader.

This will lead to more realistic battles. Rattler may not want to risk himself (I'm just using you as an example, Rattler. It could be the SC or TAC) in many battles because he doesn't want to lose his character (I don't blame him). Commanders will turn from battle when damage is still fairly light so as not to risk the ship (and his neck). We'll see ad hoc flotillas created fro strength in numbers.

And most importantly, because fleet commanders will be more careful about where they step, they will do more fleet commanding - ie assigning patrols, etc.

So I'm all for RP servers, I think they will be more interesting. smile.gif

My two bits.

------------------

Commander Badgerius, GCV Diligence

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Lynx, please don't confuse the issue and stay on topic.

Badger, which part of my post was unclear? Did I not demonstrate who it is possible for a dead character to be revised if that person chose that option?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

A hundred thousand apologies, SC. It would seem that I completely missed one of your posts while reading this afternoon's updates. It is a perfectly clear post, and I retract my previous statement.

terribly sorry, shant happen again

------------------

Commander Badgerius, GCV Diligence

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Rattler looks around anxiously, Scurries down to Medbay, and deposits many samples of his DNA! biggrin.gif

Now just where is that whelp Londono? wink.gif

Bring 'em on SC. We can take 'em! biggrin.gif

------------------

Rattler, Spectre, Insurgent One

Official BC3K Tester

[email protected]

ICQ 12894104

"Death comes unchallenged and without honor to those who refuse to make and keep friends within their hearts and souls!"

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I had three (long) posts I deleted when I decided to go with this.

Quit deciding that MP players are anathema to RP. smile.gif We are all playing the same game. The use of sigs is now defined and has been since the beginning of this thread.

Where can they use these sigs? Anywhere someone wants so long as it conforms to the aforementioned guidelines. Name, race/caste,ship name, squad name and other stuff.

As Rattler pointed out the use of UCV sigs is allowed. If someone asks questions using a UCV sig so be it. It's cool having a sig. {G}

As Ron pointed out the use of MP should not be to bash into a thread and say "I killed you all in MP therefore you are dead". Don't (won't ) work.

And DeSylva, You are worried about MP corrupting RP (who did I steal that from? seriously; I got it from someone) I don't think it will from Ron's point. If someone tried that the thread's "owner" should shout them off (politely) or call for a moderator to help.

As you say in your first post I think it will be self regulating. A wing of Tie fighters will not defeat your BC. That person would be laughed off the forum. But would

Commander T'ar

Gammulan/Raider

UCV Slathri

"Tie fighter squadron"

Be able to do this? If he writes well enough. smile.gif

Those are my points as fine as they are.

Thanks Derek for the insight into the MP game . This should really be interesting.

Commander Chavik

ICV Phoenix

"I've been looking through a microscope."

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest

Just a quick note - on campus computer labs again...*grin*.

I think Ron has come up with the best model so far, he's found a great compromise in this sea of Chaos...*grin*.

Dunno about RP and MP servers, but I suppose they'd wprk. I'm just worried that the great Commander DeSylva may turn out to be a rather mediocre MP player...especially with my bad connections from over here in Oz. But I suppose I'd just have to stick around the MP servers and make sure I had the rest of the ISS with me on the RP server. I'd just suggest a little moderation...perhaps on the RP server there could be a "retreat" option that immediately withdrew the ship to base, cost a BOMB in experience points, and displayued a message for all to see "DeSylva has retreated." Is a non-lethal alternative to death that is still costly, but lets you keep playing.

Dan - I agree with your post as well. People who try and fly a Tie Fighter squad are going to be laughed off the forum, and the attraction to build a reputation for yourself will be strong enough to help regulate MP squad formation as well. Especially if, as Derek suggested, the well known players are around to help give players who are creating inconsistent squads some "gentle advice"...

SC - I've been looking around for a while for a CGI script or scripter to create a CGI Roster that is adjustable. I was planning on including info such as a "Flight Plan" where players can put down their home turf, space for mottos, etc. Hope you can find one, I think it'll make a huge difference to the site - and save the ever present question "I've just joined a fleet - how do I change the roster?" *grin*.

So...does anyone have anything to add to Ron's suggestions for basic regulations to keep RP and MP separate?

------------------

Commander DeSylva

GCV First Light ISS01 -=- ISS Fleet Coordinator

www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Arena/9206/iss/

Official BC3K Tester and Blind Man With Sleeves award winner

"Serve - with honour."

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

What did I do wrong? Urrrgg, ah evermind, forgot about the rulez. But I wasn't too far gone was I? I'm really lost now. So MPserver and RP server are both multiplayer server for bc32k right? One is to play role playing game, the other to play normal game. I'm quite confussed now, espeically my post got deleted and I don't know why. But hey, I got no power here. So I will just shut up now.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

So much for an attempt at subtlety and hint of levity. redface.gif That's ok, I can be blunt. biggrin.gif

This entire argument about RP, MP, signatures and "Can I be this?" boiled down to just one issue separating the traditionalist xenophobes from the one-universe "can't we all just get along" crowd: Who gets to post what in the RP forum?

The traditionalists view RP as their private sandbox and themselves as Keepers of the Holy Terran Chronicles. Which is fine, and exactly how the issue has settled out; but continuing to encourage unwanted interlopers by calling it roleplaying and then begging off with a "But that's not the kind of role we'll allow you to play" seems to be more trouble than it's worth. All it'll lead to is another round-robin of "Why nots?" Just close the RP forum and make posting by invitation only, preferably email so the General Discussion thread won't be drowned under sniveling "Can I play, too" pleas. That eliminates the need for most policing of the forum, nobody get's their feelings hurt by having their posts summarily deleted and the RPers don't have to worry about "chaos" interrupting the orderly flow of BC history. A name change to the forum wouldn't hurt either, something that immediately indicates it's only for red-blooded Terran fleet members and that the rabble need not apply.

(Before the Product Development News forum was started, there was a closed Developers Forum. The only difference from that setup would be that the RP forum should be open read - restricted write.)

Additionally, I wouldn't push the online gameplay/RP forum continuity too far, or you'll wind up with arguments like "That part of the story's gotta go, I checked the server logs and that ship wasn't in the game last night, you only launched one shuttle, not two, and you were firing Questors, not Vagrants." It might work better to initially play a bit loose with the "facts" when it gets down to storytelling in the forum. Especially if it turns out that nobody playing manages to survive more than a couple of days (or hours), and those who spend their time hiding out don't have much to write home about. wink.gif

Cmdr DeSylva - A automatic, lifesaving "retreat option" would be a new feature (a pretty cheesy one, at that), and we all know the rules about new features. But I do forsee the need for a whole new caste of psychics so the RP forum can continue with reports from beyond the grave. smile.gif

------------------

Cmdr Pherrett

GCV-STRATOS

Official Tester, Battlecruiser Series

[email protected]

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it"

-- George Santayana

"You got to change your evil ways"

--Carlos Santana

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest Hunter

Lots of good reading (and I do mean LOTS) smile.gif

I was mistakingly under the impression that the MP game was going to be an ongoing living game where everyone is always In-Character. (wishful thinking I guess) smile.gif

Thanks For clearing that up. Also I now understand the ship designation dilema. Sorry for being a bonehead earlier SC

Ron's post was very clear and concise, even for a newbie bonehead like me. Great work!

Now I must seek medical attention cause my eyes are bleeding from all this reading smile.gif

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

hehe, Lynx, that was subtle. smile.gif

Anyway, if the RP crew want me to (a) rename the forum (B) make it closed so that only admin and mods can create new ones, no problem. All they have to do is tell me what they want to do and why. I can also create additional forums if necessary.

As for retreat, its not needed. All beta testers will have access to server admin options anyway. So if you don't want to 'play', just observe, you can do so by making your ship invincible and just park somewhere and observe, chat etc. Enabling any server side cheats will have checks to disable certain features and will also tag your ship TTD as such so that you don't go playing against people in God mod and think you can get away with it. Anyway, any tester I find doing this, will be summarily dismissed in disgrace anyway. So, I'm not worried about that at all.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Okay okay I was whinning, just a little tho.

Now everything is cleared up, it's all good in the hood.

S.C did anyone ever tell you that you are hella funny? I mean HELLA funny. Peace and I'm outa herea........

"It's all about reality, so pass me.."

"Drinking my moonshine yea....."

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest

I think the RP forum name change is a good idea, so is restricting the writing.

Akira hit the nail on the head with his post. That's the way it should be.

For those of you who weren't around for the Great Fleet Debate of '98, this is what is was like, only this is more confusing smile.gif I'm sure all the other "old school" guys will agree. smile.gif

Looks like you guys are making headway. Great job.

------------------

Commander Alun Tringad

GCV Black Falcon ISS03

Tactical Support Coordinator - ISS Fleet

Bushi of the Dragon Council - Order of Jade Dragon

Director of Strategic Operations - Order of Jade Dragon

"Honor and courage, above all else"

Administrator - Official BC3K Webring

[email protected]

ICQ: 18001147

welcome.to/bc3k

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Personally, I don't like the idea of restricted posting, sounds a bit elitist to me. I like the idea of having a page in a prominent position saying 'read this before posting in the Roleplay Forum' which outlines the rules of roleplay and some hints for newbies, which we can refer people back to if they seem to be not understanding the way things work. I suspect there are a number of potentially quality authors around who may be put off by having to be invited in.

That's just what I think, so consider it as such.

Bye,

------------------

Commander Ben Zwycky GCV Svoboda

ISS Fleet

"Nakonec pravda vitezi" (in the end the truth wins)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

hehe, Bill hit that one on the head. The fleet debate was like this. Funny nobody seemed to remember that one. smile.gif

OK, so, if I change the forum name, what do I change it to?

I am waiting for DeSylva to send me a file which outlines all the finalized rules. Once I get that, I will put it as a link in the announcements section as Ben suggested.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I've had some time to re-think my stance on this whole issue. Strange how time changes one's views. With the pending release of 3020, who really cares what character, or caste, or alliance you use here, unless you attempt to grab one that is already well known? To be restrictive in allowing posts is to defeat the whole purpose of this site. Changing Forum Names is also a moot point, as it will not actually clarify anything. The whole truth, and nothing but the truth, is that it is up to each member (all of us) here to govern ourselves, and to not bring disgrace to our characters or brothers. If we accomplish this, then the Website will most certainly flourish. If we manage to do otherwise, I'm sure that we won't be around long enough to see it's demise. One request though, if I might. Let's not see any 3020 style affiliations posted until the actual release of 3020. If you chose to remain unattached to any fleets already in existance, please only use ship's name and UCV designator. No Packs, Clans, Squads, etc.

------------------

Rattler, Spectre, Insurgent One

Official BC3K Tester

[email protected]

ICQ 12894104

"Death comes unchallenged and without honor to those who refuse to make and keep friends within their hearts and souls!"

[This message has been edited by Rattler (edited 08-21-99).]

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest

Okay everyone, last comments on what Akira and I have suggested. In two days time I'll take this thread and put it together into some kind of coherent guidelines.

------------------

Commander DeSylva

GCV First Light ISS01 -=- ISS Fleet Coordinator

www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Arena/9206/iss/

Official BC3K Tester and Blind Man With Sleeves award winner

"Serve - with honour."

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest Antti Junkkari

Ok again I missed all the stuff.

I should take some time to read this whole stuff, but if Michael's doing it for me, that's cool... wink.gif

------------------

Fleet Cmdr Junkkari, GCV-Karhu

Orion Fleet Leader

Member of Dragon Council

http://www.orionf.pp.fi

email: [email protected]

icq: 2506142

"Von Finnland bis zum Schwarzen Meer"

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Please sign in to comment

You will be able to leave a comment after signing in



Sign In Now
Sign in to follow this  

×