Outlaw Posted May 2, 2001 Report Share Posted May 2, 2001 Alright I was outta line when I was posting on the RP forum on the topic "BCmk3 versus...etc" babbling on something other than topic so I'll be fair on this one. Which ships or tech would beat each other. And I'm not gonna include ST tech 'cuz for some reason almost every internet site says ST tech can defeat the other ones. Alright Here comes the list! Gimme your best conflicting arguments and knowledge of who can battle the other and come out the champ.B5(the epic space opera) SW(the timeless epic) Andromeda(trying to be an epic) BC(THE GAME, epic, legend that is BCM)You can also include major characters or races of each show to support your debate. Man, I really got a lot of time on my hands hehe! I hope this gets you all hyped up in anticipation for BCM! [ 05-02-2001: Message edited by: Outlaw ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emmett.hendrick Posted May 2, 2001 Report Share Posted May 2, 2001 The Andromeda as it stands in the Series is at a serious disadvantage, not being fully crewed and all. If that were address however I'd say she's have a fighting chance against most others listed. As a BC she is highly manoverably and quite fast, she holds an impressive fire power and I think I heard her fighter count is somewhere in the hundreds.As a capitol ship she has a good few strengths including the planet destroying NOVA bombs I think however small fighter sized craft ie X-wings from SW and fighters from B5 could cause problems in enough numbers.I hate to say it but the humble BC is fairly outmatched here, in SW you have the hulking Star Destroyers with some serious firepower and an entire fleet of tie fighters (and others on board) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epsilon 5 Posted May 2, 2001 Report Share Posted May 2, 2001 Anyone played Freespace 2? Their ships have super beams that rocks and, mainly, kill! Their beams can go thru shields and armor and go trough other ships (watch the video, the Shivan mothership beam goes thru the Terran-Vasudran mothership). And it DOES hurts A LOT when you're in a fighter.Star Wars win I don't know about B5 Andromeda loses, even if it holds for long (no shields, but god armor.) BC loses [ 05-02-2001: Message edited by: Epsilon 5 ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supreme Cmdr Posted May 2, 2001 Report Share Posted May 2, 2001 I agree with Emmet, all the three BC types are no match. BUT, throw a Stormcarrier into the fray, well then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eclipse Posted May 2, 2001 Report Share Posted May 2, 2001 Freespace 2... I'll leave this to Parias. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parias Posted May 2, 2001 Report Share Posted May 2, 2001 Actually, I'd think a small wing of carefully co-ordinated Battlecruisers COULD probably give a Hecate a run for it's money. Of course "carefully co-ordinated" is the key word.. they'd have to be extra careful to steer clear of the anti-fighter beams and flak turrets, but if they got into the right position, they could do some heavy damage, or at least disrupt a lot of subsystems.Of course, there's still the little issue of the bombers and fighters that would launch..... I'd have to say that I don't think even a full wing of standard Interceptors could stand against an equal wing of Trebuchet/Tornado and Kaiser/Maxim-equipped Ares fighters. Naturally you'd need the combined fleets of just about every major nearby power just to even put a dent in the Colossus of course... But, truth to be told, I don't think an accurate comparison between the BC3x universe and FS2 could be done. There's just too many differences. (Yeah, I know, you guys probably hear that argument at least once for each comparison somebody makes ) But ultimately, if you absolutely had to throw a BC Mk3 and.. say, a Deimos class destroyer together into an arena to slug it out, the BC Mk3 would be squished. It's fighters would be ripped to pieces by the flak before they could even get a few shots off (hell, even in an Erinyes I have an assload of trouble with those things.. and don't get me started on bombing!), and the BC itself would be constantly under fire from all ranges, short of hyperjumping out of the area. The main advantages the BC would have over the Deimos would be speed and cloaking (and Paul Resnig ), but that's about it. Of course, it's tough to make an accurate call here.. I'm hardly Scotty when it comes to ship mechanics, so who can say how beam and other weaponry would interact with the way the BC3x universe handles shielding, for example?Bah, I'm going in circles here, I'll just shush now [ 05-02-2001: Message edited by: Parias ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 3, 2001 Report Share Posted May 3, 2001 What the heck ye talking about? BATTLESTAR GALACTICA would beat the crap outta any of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 3, 2001 Report Share Posted May 3, 2001 galactica smatica, I would rather have a planetoid from David Weber's mutineer's moon, it would kick the heck out of any of those other ships you are talking about, HOO AAAHHH!!! Those things make the Death Star look like a child's toy!! [ 05-02-2001: Message edited by: Jaguar ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emmett.hendrick Posted May 3, 2001 Report Share Posted May 3, 2001 quote:Originally posted by Jaguar: [QB]galactica smatica, [QB]I agree while the Galactica was good for its time its fighters are under armed and the cruiser itself did not have an overwhelming amount of firepower Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Shingen Posted May 3, 2001 Report Share Posted May 3, 2001 I'll take a Imperial courior with a 20 megawatt beam laser any day... (FFE not SW) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFreak13 Posted May 5, 2001 Report Share Posted May 5, 2001 I think Star Wars would win hands down. I mean those Jedi. All they have to do is think about it and they can rip apart a MK3. C'mon there is no contest. BC, Andromeda, Star Trek, and all that other hupla don't even have a fighting chance against a squadron of fighters manned by Jedi. If you need more proof in the book Champions of the Force ONE Jedi taps into the force and hurls 10 Imperial Star Destroyers acroos the galaxy and nearly rips them apart. One did get ripped apart. Another justr hit a sun. So that's my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsair Posted May 6, 2001 Report Share Posted May 6, 2001 Seems that some people are forgetting a little fact- Going by the current SW date from "The Return of the Jedi", the Jedi are all but extinct. And I doubt the single Jedi (Luke) can wield enough force to handle a Battlecruiser all by himself. Leia doesn't count, as she hasn't had training and is sort of latent in a lot of abilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Apollyon Posted May 7, 2001 Report Share Posted May 7, 2001 Now, obviously bad guys can be included in this discussion because you are all talking about Imperial Star destroyers. So my pick would have to be the Borg. The Borg could come in and assimilate all the technology of the Empire, though I think they are a little bit ahead of them anyways (one Borg cube takes out like 6 star ships), though they might have a little bit of trouble with the whole "force" thing, and kick some serious a**. Though my problem with that is that this whole Jedi being able to virtually destroy 10 Star Destroyers sounds a whole lot like E.E. "Doc" Smith and his characters that could fly, teleport, change universes, kill people with a thought, scan planets for minerals, destroy planets for their minerals, and generally commit xenocide with a look. That's just a little bit too unbelievable for this man to handle. There should be at least some degree of realism in these things! Anyways [/rant] They could probably handle a large amount of capital ships from Babylon 5. And massively outmaneuver and out gun any BCM ships that I've seen so far. (That cube can MOVE! hehe). As for Andromeda, the thought of Kevin Sorbo being the captain of a starship makes me want to vomit. (no offense to anyone who likes it, and hey, I liked Hercules enough so who am I to talk?)[ 05-06-2001: Message edited by: Apollyon ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 7, 2001 Report Share Posted May 7, 2001 interesting info on that sig. I only knew the heart pump power one =P Well, thinking about it, any Star Trek TNG+ (and perhaps original too) ship can blow any ISD, any BC3K ship and any Galactica ship to a hotter hell.I just remembered they use ANTIMATTER torps. ISD gets one hit of those, its history. BC3K ship takes one of those..its history... Galactica takes one of those.. its history. So yes, Q can kick anyone's arse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Lindsey Posted May 7, 2001 Report Share Posted May 7, 2001 Once again, as in the other thread; this was SHIP versus SHIP. No Jedi allowed. No Q are allowed. What we need are lengths and specs. Given a specific length one can argue the strengths of different ships. Certain ships in the BC universe are larger than certain ships in other universes so they would be more powerful. (unless you want to argue power conversion and let's not go there. )Tac, I disagree with you. Just because Star Trek uses ANTIMATTER in their torpedoes doesn't mean they would annihilate anything they touch. I think they use antimatter to produce a specific yield of energy which the bc3k shields could absorb to a certain extent. I'm guessing it would be about the same as any BC3K missile. Interesting points submitted by everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 7, 2001 Report Share Posted May 7, 2001 welp, voyager's torpedoes could go up to several gigatons of antimatter in their warhead yield. Vagrants aint nuke tipped and they HURT like hell, so Id say 1 antimatter warhead can pretty much wipe out several BCs in close proximity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emmett.hendrick Posted May 7, 2001 Report Share Posted May 7, 2001 I think you'll find the anti-matter yield in ST torpedos is very much contained there is enough there to start a reaction and thats about it really (SF rules and reg you know) any I though that ST was banned from this discussion as per first post but if they are allowed then the Defiant has to get a mention here.Hard fast and with enough firepower to put a hole in anything......It was built to combat the Borg for God sake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Lindsey Posted May 7, 2001 Report Share Posted May 7, 2001 ST is not banned from this discussion. Outlaw just wasn't going to use it. Just Q and Jedi. Ship against ship. I forgot about the Defiant. I never did like Deep Space Nine all that much. Ya'll threw me a curve on the torpedo thing. If they are so blasted powerful why don't they destroy any ship that gets hit? I do watch the show but I'm not a technophile about it. But that's the rule of thumb for Voyager anyway. Voyager can destroy any ship up to ten times it's size yet has a near warp core breach from a shuttle armed with a BB gun. I still think given matching sizes a Star Trek ship would have a tough fight against a BC3K ship. Fun to talk about at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epsilon 5 Posted May 7, 2001 Report Share Posted May 7, 2001 There you go, the main vessels in the SW universe (quick stuff):The space-speed is in "c", light-speed percentageEMPIREVictory I-class stardestroyer Crew: 5,100+2,000 troops Quad Lasers(10) Double Turbolasers(40) Tractor Beam Projectors(10) Top Speed: .22c Atmosheric speed: 500mph Length: 2,952 feet Cargo Capacity: 3500 tonsVehicle Compliment 2 TIE Squadrons(24) 20 Sentinel Landing Craft 2 Lambda Class Shuttles 7 AT-AT Walkers 12 AT-ST Walkers 5 LAV Chariots 15 CAV's 10 HAV's 1 Mobile Command BaseVictory II-class stardestroyer Class: Heavy Cruiser Crew: 6,102+1,600 troops Turbolaser Batteries(20) Double Turbolasers(40) Ion Cannons(10) Tractor Beam Projectors(10) Top Speed: .26c Length: 2,952 feet Cargo Capacity: 3500 tonsVehicle Compliment 3 TIE Squadrons(36) 10 Sentinel Landing Craft 2 Lambda Class Shuttles 5 AT-AT Walkers 10 AT-ST Walkers 5 LAV Chariots 10 CAV's 5 HAV's 1 Mobile Command BaseImperator I-class stardestroyer Class: Battleship Crew: 37,015+9,700 troops Turbolaser Batteries(60) Ion Cannons(60) Tractor Beam Projectors(10) Top Speed: .24c Length: 5,248 feet Cargo Capacity: 36,000 tonsVehicle Compliment 6 TIE Squadrons(72) of varying types 6 Assault Gunboats 2 Skipray Blastboats 3 Gamma Class Shuttles 6 Lambda-Class Shuttles 60 Sentinel-Class Landing Craft 15 Delta-Class Transports 20 AT-AT Walkers 30 AT-ST Walkers 10 LAV Chariots 3 Mobile Command Bases 15 Mekun Hoverscouts 20 HAV's 25 CAV'sImperator II-class destroyer Class: Battleship Crew: 37,015+9,700 troops Turbolaser Batteries(60) Ion Cannons(60) Tractor Beam Projectors(10) Top Speed: .24c Length: 5,248 feet Cargo Capacity: 36,000 tonsVehicle Compliment 6 TIE Squadrons(72) of varying types 6 Assault Gunboats 2 Skipray Blastboats 6 Lambda-Class Shuttles 12 Sentinel-Class Landing Craft 15 Delta-Class Transports 20 AT-AT Walkers 30 AT-ST Walkers 20 LAV Chariots 300 CAV's 100 HAV's 3 Mobile Command BasesExecutor-class stardestroyer Class: Command ship Crew: 450,716+76,000 troops Turbolaser Batteries(250) Heavy Turbolaser Batteries(250) Ion Cannons(250) Tractor Beam Projectors(40) Top Speed: .16c Length: 55,760 feet(11 miles) Cargo Capacity: 500,000 tonsVehicle Compliment 57 TIE Squadrons(684) of varying types 15 TIE Interceptor Squadrons(240) 5 TIE Bomber squadrons(60) 5 TIE Avanced squadrons(60) 1 Skipray Blastboat Squadrons(12) 4 Assault Gunboat Squadrons(48) 6 X-14 Missleboats 50 Lambda-Class Shuttles 20 Gamma-Class Shuttles 300 Sentinel-Class Landing Craft 100 Delta-Class Transports 100 AT-AT Walkers 200 AT-ST Walkers 100 LAV Chariots 450 CAV's 250 HAV's 15 Mobile Command BasesEclipse-class stardestroyer Class: Flagship Crew: 708,470+150,100 troops INTRUDER ALERT! Axial Superlaser(1) Heavy Turbolaser Batteries(500) Turbolaser Batteries(550) Ion Cannons(75) Tractor Beam Projectors(100) Gravity Well Projectors(10) Top Speed: .25c Length: 51,500 feet(10 miles) Cargo Capacity: 600,000 tonsVehicle Compliment 50 TIE Interceptor Squadrons(600) 20 TIE Defender Squadrons(240) 10 TIE Bomber Squadrons(96) 5 Assault Gunboat squadrons(60) 2 X-14 Missleboat squadrons(24) 25 Gamma Class Shuttles 75 Lambda Class Shuttles 320 Sentinel-Class Landing Craft 200 Delta-Class Transports 100 AT-AT Walkers 250 AT-ST Walkers 100 LAV Chariots 600 CAV's 400 HAV's 40 Mobile Command BasesALLIANCE - REBELS - REPUBLICCorellian Engineering CR90 Blockade Runner Class: Multi-purpose Vessel Crew: 46 (30-165, depending on configuration.) Top Speed: .31c Atmosheric speed: 1250 kph(mach 1.2) Length: 150 meters Cargo Capacity: 3,000 tons TurboLaser Cannons(4) Double Turbolaser Cannons(2)Corellian gunship Class: Light Attack Vessel Crew: 85 Top Speed: .34c Atmosheric speed: 850 mph(mach 1.3) Length: 394 feet Cargo Capacity: 300 tons Double TurboLaser Cannons(8) Quad Laser Cannons(6)Nebulon B frigate Class: Escort Starship Crew: 920 Top Speed: .16c Atmosheric speed: 100mph(only when absolutly nessesary) Length: 984 feet Cargo Capacity: 6000 tons TurboLaser Cannons(12) Laser Cannons(12)Vehicule compliment 2 Fighter squadrons(24)MC-80 Calamari cruiser Class: Cruiser Crew: 5402+1200 troops Top Speed: .23c Atmosheric speed: 200mph (special)underwater Speed: 400 mph Length: 3936 feet Cargo Capacity: 6000 tons TurboLaser Cannons(48) Ion Cannons(20) Tractor Beam Projectors(6)5 Fighter squadrons(60)These are the main ships, the known ones. If you want the fighters, tell me. If you want ALL starship, tell me too. Hope it'll help.[EDIT: made it easier to read][ 05-07-2001: Message edited by: Epsilon 5 ][ 05-07-2001: Message edited by: Epsilon 5 ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFreak13 Posted May 8, 2001 Report Share Posted May 8, 2001 We really couldn't make an accurate prediction on what would happen is various circumstances. We don't know how the shields on a Star Trek ship or BC ship would react to the hyperspace mass shadow created by the gravity-well projectors on an Interdictor, 'cause we don't know what processes are utilized to make the shields. For all we know, if an Interdictor fired up those projectors in the vicinity of a BC ship the BC ship could short-out, it could be unaffected or be ripped apart. If a Star Trek ship fired a phaser at a BC ship we don't know how long the shields would hold. Remember that all of these ships are in different galaxies. One has the Force. One has warp drive and phasers. One has IOD, PTA, and Vagrants. All operate on different principles, with different rules. Warp drive on a Star Destroyer could disrupt the Force and rip the ship apart. Phasers could backfire in BC space. BC missles could just hang there suspended with out any propulsion in Star Trek space. That is the basic Science of this. There are too many variables. We would have to get George Lucas, Gene Roddenberry, and Derek Smart together for days, even years on end to get all the specifications on the ships. Then we would have to spand years figuing every thing in to see who, overall, was the best. I don't think we have the time or the resourcees for that. Star Wars ships would win in Star Wars space. Star Trek in Star Trek space. Battlecruiser in Battlecruiser space. At least that's my stand point on things from a scientific point of view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsair Posted May 8, 2001 Report Share Posted May 8, 2001 Except the Great Bird of the Galaxy (Gene Roddenberry) isn't with us now (shot into space), though you could get Rick Berman, since he was like the XO for the whole TNG-DS9-Voy series.I think all of them have an equal chance of having an advantage. Like with BC vs ST, Trek would win out in terms of sheer firepower, speed, shields, hull, basically everything. But BCs make up in the ability to cloak without that pesky Treaty of Algeron. Not to mention, they have a lot more different types of weapons, and they have a better paint job. Like what's been said, we don't know what kind of effect different technology would have. Like phasers on a BC Shield, it's not known if the Nadion energy would be dissipated or the shields would invert on itself and tear the ship apart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epsilon 5 Posted May 8, 2001 Report Share Posted May 8, 2001 I forgot to add the missile launchers! I'll edit my post... again...(Checkup : don't have that data... )[ 05-07-2001: Message edited by: Epsilon 5 ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 8, 2001 Report Share Posted May 8, 2001 Look at it this way:ST's torpedoes travel at WARP speed. ST ships can travel at warp speed... and can jump into warp whenever they please.BC cant travel at warp, cant hyperjump when they please and dont have weapons that can go beyond lightspeed.SW ships are hopeless against ST ships just because of the antimatter warhead. If a single A-Wing flight can smack its shield generators and turn the thing into a lumbering hunk of unprotected metal..well, you figure it out.In short, ST can outmanouver, outgun, outrun, overpower, out-shield (if an ST ship can take half a dozen or more ANTIMATTER torps, it can surely brush off a mere vagrant) and out-fight any BC or SW ship. Heck, they can just fire the damn torps from long range and never get into a laser/phaser/turbolaser fray. Also, remember that LASERS will not even go through the ENVIROMENTAL SHIELDS in any ST ship. So BC, IOD or missiles, that PTA aint gonna help. SW, you wont ever get into range. Bhuahahaha.Epsilon: Get a life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epsilon 5 Posted May 8, 2001 Report Share Posted May 8, 2001 quote:SW ships are hopeless against ST ships just because of the antimatter warhead. If a single A-Wing flight can smack its shield generators and turn the thing into a lumbering hunk of unprotected metal..well, you figure it out.Huh? Are you making the same mistake as everyone : that the balls on the command centers of the stardestroyers are the shields? This is a myth (even used in games). The are the sensor arrays, hidden in a protective shell. And the A-wing crashing into the command center? Well, it seems ship-ship crashes go trough shields, like in BC. If the executor crashed onto the deathstar is because of mere gravity. The ship was out of control, and a this as big as the deathstar sure generate a certain amount of gravity.About the gravity wells, the BC could jump in, but not out. The gravity wells are supposed to change the hyperpaths, and make the computer think everything around is disturbed and that going in direction A will throw you in planet B. It also create a proximity alert (safe zones).I don't see why the SW ships couldn't resist some small anti-matter torpedoes. Right, maybe not the fighters, but I believe any non-small cap. ship would easily. Not because it's ANTI-MATTER that it makes it very special. It's only more powerful, but I think that it isn't enough. An ISD can resist a full rebel bombardment assault for AT LEAST an hour (until the reinforcements arrived) quote:Epsilon (5), get a life What is that all about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Apollyon Posted May 8, 2001 Report Share Posted May 8, 2001 Wait wait wait... since when do ST torpedoes travel at warp speed??? I've never seen a warp torpedo before, unless you count the big Cardassian (sp?) base killer that the Maquis reprogrammed to attack Cardassia, and that thing was looking pretty one of a kind at the time too. I also agree with BCFreak13, there isn't much real ground to stand on when debating a topic like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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