desolator Posted August 15, 2001 Report Share Posted August 15, 2001 Just for the fun of it, I sat down today and read every review and preview of the BC3K and BCM games, and everyone complains about the steep learning curve. And all I can say is: What steep learning curve? When I downloaded the free BC3K v2.09 I sat down and read the included readme's, doc's and the pdf manual, took little notes on which keys to use, and how to do certain things, and that was it. No steep learning curve there... if one doesn't know how to do something, like landing troops on a planet, then its just to read how to do it in the manual, nothing hard... I actuall found it really fluid and selfexplaining ingame.So does anyone else feel that there aren't any steep learning curve, or is it just me?(on the other hand, I usually learn how to operate things in sims pretty fast due to my interest in the sims itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menchise Posted August 15, 2001 Report Share Posted August 15, 2001 When compared to most other space sims, it does have a steep learning curve. It's unusual for a space sim to have a manual that's more than 50 pages, let alone 150. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest $iLk Posted August 15, 2001 Report Share Posted August 15, 2001 That and the steep learning curve I took trying to figure out the right altitudes at which to pull up... Seriously, though Menchise is correct, other sims aren't nearly as complicated. Look at other DOS titles, such as Xwing or Tie Fighter. They have alot of keys, but not 1/10 of the commands that are possible with bc3k,but look at todays sims. 8 keyboard keys at most and a joystick and there you go. No learning required, just sit back and start playing, which isn't necessarily bad, just that some of us like the more hands on feel of managing a huge ship instead of just jumping in and you are automatically the baddest ass thing in the universe like in other sims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epsilon 5 Posted August 15, 2001 Report Share Posted August 15, 2001 I might say that it's because you need to play in menu to do some stuff...--- In freespace 2, you can get specific systems to be damaged. the repairs are automatic.In battlecruiser, you can get specific systems to be damaged, but you need to assign people for repairs and have the parts needed. You also have more systems --- In freespace 2, you have a few keys to press to do much of the work. I think it's "j", "k" and "l" to change power allocation to engine/shields/weaponsIn BC, you have menus and submenus. Althought there are shortcuts to do most of what you want to do, they take some time to remember (select target's attacker is "b"... you remember that?) --- In freespace 2, the "only" threats are space based, and to only thing you need to get rid of 'em is your trigger.In BC, you can have intruders. You generally need to assign marines (Resnig office is always relocated to the aft sdeck airlock), because you never have enough of them running around. I could continue like that for a while... But that's what make BC a good game.[ 08-15-2001: Message edited by: Epsilon 5 ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soback Posted August 15, 2001 Report Share Posted August 15, 2001 Desolator is right, BC3000AD does not have a steep learning curve, it's just that some people are lazy and don't read instructions and then when it takes them a few hours to figure out on their own how things work, or they can't figure that out on their own they start saying, "That game is too complicated". I know for a fact because I got my copy of BC3000AD from my buddy just because he didn't want to play anymore saying that he doesnt know how to do stuff(he hates reading the manual, never does). I am so happy though, if not for him, I would never even know that such a game even existed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 15, 2001 Report Share Posted August 15, 2001 Amen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epsilon 5 Posted August 16, 2001 Report Share Posted August 16, 2001 Or..Battlecruiser is not a "WASD" game, so it's too complicated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supreme Cmdr Posted August 16, 2001 Report Share Posted August 16, 2001 quote:Battlecruiser is not a "WASD" game, so it's too complicated.LOL!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Schacher Posted August 16, 2001 Report Share Posted August 16, 2001 I don't think it's that there's a steep learning curve, but rather that they don't know what to do with all the control they have within the unscripted, dynamic universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest $iLk Posted August 16, 2001 Report Share Posted August 16, 2001 These are the people that scream WTF?!? and punch WSAD arming the weapons, and hitting spacebar launching missiles which is cool for a second before they realize that they have to reach for the forbidden "right side of the keyboard" Then they exclaim "It SuX!" and register at the VE forums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Remo Williams Posted August 16, 2001 Report Share Posted August 16, 2001 LMAO!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidargo Posted August 16, 2001 Report Share Posted August 16, 2001 well, there should be some neat feature in BCM, which detects the first 4 keys that someone presses, and if they are WASD, they are restricted to playing FP-Mode. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desolator Posted August 16, 2001 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2001 Or if the first keys they pressed was WASD a voice would say "WASD?! Thats just ludicrous." and the BC self-destructed with the final words flashing on screen: "RTFM!". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soback Posted August 16, 2001 Report Share Posted August 16, 2001 LOL "WASD?! Thats just ludicrous." SC, even the newbies know you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epsilon 5 Posted August 16, 2001 Report Share Posted August 16, 2001 No... I have a better idea... if you press WASD as your first 4 keys... all your systems suffer 50% damage, all people onboard drop at 35% health and get 100% fatigue, you get radiation of all decks and, last of all, you get 20 intruders!*evil grin*...oh and you have Resnig saying the mighty phrase EACH 10 SECONDS!!!! MOUHAHAHAHAHA!(on the all your base are belong you us theme)All your marine are ready for deployment![ 08-16-2001: Message edited by: Epsilon 5 ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desolator Posted August 16, 2001 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2001 "...oh and you have Resnig saying the mighty phrase EACH 10 SECONDS!!!! MOUHAHAHAHAHA!"Now THAT is a punishment worth avoiding! Although it feels like he's saying it every 5 seconds now.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
demolition Posted August 16, 2001 Report Share Posted August 16, 2001 Cmdr Desolator Why not join a wing I can get you assigned to Epsilon wing if you want, or you can join one of the other 4 wings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desolator Posted August 16, 2001 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2001 Cmdr.Demolition It would be an honor to be assigned to the Epsilon wing. In what way do I type the designation if I get assigned? Like: "Prime Fleet, Epsilon wing" ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gomez Posted August 16, 2001 Report Share Posted August 16, 2001 Steep learning curve? They don't say Falcon 4 has a steep learning curve? Why? Because Falcon 4 is a simulator of a real craft. Well....BC is along those same lines. It's not a FPS with ships. It's a Simulation. As far as I'm concerned, most of the Space Combat Sims out there are FPS with ships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emmett.hendrick Posted August 16, 2001 Report Share Posted August 16, 2001 I don't think BC3000 has a steep learing curve but it definatly is a constantly continuing one. I admit it took me a while to learn the game but once I read the manual and the included readme and PDF's I was handling my BC with ease. Now I admit I still have stuff to learn ( I don't have much time to dedicate to gaming with work and family and stuff ) but I'm continually learning and its not difficult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
demolition Posted August 16, 2001 Report Share Posted August 16, 2001 It would look like thisCmdr Desolator GCV-Elite, Starpath(Mars) Prime Fleet,Epsilon WingI will get you into Epsilon Wing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
demolition Posted August 17, 2001 Report Share Posted August 17, 2001 Cmdr. Desolation you have been accepted into Epsilon Wing, please change your sig to the one i put in my above postYou also need to update your profile on fleet DB and put an email address in there so i can reach youYou also need to report in by going to Epsilon Wing News under prime fleet discussions and post a message[ 08-17-2001: Message edited by: demolition ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desolator Posted August 17, 2001 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2001 Cmdr. Demolition Thank you, will do the necessary tasks right away. Thanks for the help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Jansen Posted August 21, 2001 Report Share Posted August 21, 2001 Ok, to make sense of this whole thread, what does "WASD" stand for? Up-Left-Down-Right movement keys?Anyway, such a newby-recognition code and a "RTFM" alert would be the perfect easter-egg thing to piss certain people off. Go for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desolator Posted August 21, 2001 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2001 Yes, its the keys that are usually standard movement keys in FPS games like Quake. (Or latheral thrusters in Iwar2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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