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Here this is another place that shows there is some other force at work....

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So, by and large, is the American Conservative. Like so many isolationists, Buchanan revels in the copybook of world history. His calls for peace, however, come in cadences that are strangely martial and at times Kipling-esque. In his columnÔÇöpresumably a regular feature of the magazineÔÇöhe reminds us that hubris undid "the Ottoman, Russian Austro-Hungarian, and German empires in World War I, the Japanese in World War II, the French and the British the morning after." Guess who's next: "We will soon launch an imperial war on Iraq with all the 'On-to-Berlin!' bravado with which French poilus and British Tommies marched in August 1914." Once Saddam falls, he warns, "the neoconservatives who pine for a 'World War IV' " will push for "short sharp wars on Syria and Iran. Already Israel is tugging at our sleeve, reminding us not to forget Libya."

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Does this anti-imperialist argument sound familiar? It should. It's the same one the anti-war left is making. Which raises a question: Why did Buchanan miss the opportunity to revive an "Old Right/New Left" alliance of the kind that arose during the mid-1960s, when right-wing thinkers such as Murray Rothbard and Leonard Liggio found common cause with the radical leftist William Appleman Williams, all of them alarmed by what Williams called the "centralized and consolidated" state that was flexing its oversized muscles in Vietnam? It seemed eccentric at the time, but this fusion gave new ├®lan to the libertarian right and its long-standing critiques of the garrison state and "Wall Street socialism."

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Has Iraq Been Involved In Terror Against the U.S.?

Israel National News ^ | 10/04/02 | Ruth Matar

I read a very interesting article in the Wall Street Journal of September 5, 2002 entitled "The Iraq connection", which raises the strong possibility that Iraq may have been complicit in the terror attacks against the United States since the end of the Gulf War. We do know for certain that Saddam Hussein plotted to assassinate former President George Bush, Sr. during his visit to Kuwait in April of 1993. Could Saddam Hussein have been waging a terror offensive against the United States ever since the end of the Gulf War?

We are honored to have as our guest Laurie Mylroie, a renowned Middle EastExpert. She has taught at Harvard University and the United States War College, and is advisor to the Pentagon on terrorism. She is the publisher of "Iraq News" and Vice President of "Information for Democracy".

Laurie Mylroie is the author of a fascinating book, "Study of Revenge: SaddamHussein┬┤s Unfinished War against America". In this book Laurie Mylroie makes a powerful case for Iraqi involvement in the first World Trade Center attack. She argues that Saddam Hussein is driven by a desire for revenge following the Gulf War and is the single greatest terrorist threat to the United States.

Former CIA Director James Woolsey (1993 to 1995) has personally endorsed Ms. Mylroie┬┤s findings in various op-ed and magazine articles. He wrote the foreword of this book and describes it as "brave, lucid and careful".

The entire interview with Laurie Mylroie can be accessed at:www.IsraelNationalNews.com/Metafiles/asx/wig.asx

Laurie Mylroie makes a powerful case for Iraqi involvement in the first World Trade Center attack. She combed through thousands of court documents of the case and pieced together a series of credible connections with Iraq.

Mylroie┬┤s research successfully challenges the widespread belief that rogue networks of terrorists run by Islamic radicals like Osama bin Laden work on their own without state sponsorship. She argues that because Saddam Hussein is driven by a desire for revenge following his defeat in the Gulf War, he is the single greatest terrorist threat to the United States.

After extensive research, Mylroie concluded that if the Clinton administration had not ignored the question of possible Iraqi involvement in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, the United States might have been able to prevent a series of subsequent terrorist attacks, such as:

a) The 1995 Oklahoma City bombing of the US Federal Building which killed168 people;
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The 1996 bombing of Al Khobar Base in Saudi Arabia that left 19 American servicemen dead; c) The 1998 bombing of the US Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania that killed 224 people, injuring more than 4, 500; d) The 2001 September 11, bombing of the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, which left close to three thousand people dead and many injured.

The United States has recently commemorated the biggest terror attack so far, September 11. There is a heated debate in the United States whether to go to war against Iraq. If any or all of these murderous attacks can be traced to Saddam Hussein, the question of whether the US is justified in pursuing that course becomes academic. The argument is settled. The debate should end.

Israel has no need to trace where the terror comes from. Israel has long been engaged in a war against this terror. But many Israelis are needlessly losing their lives because Mr. Sharon does not fight this war to win and deliberately allows Arab terrorism to exist at a "tolerable" level, as he admitted in a Jerusalem Post interview published on September 27 of this year.

Because of Sharon┬┤s self-confessed tolerance of Arab terrorism, an Arab sniper killed another of our beloved sons this last Monday. Ari Joshua Weiss, only 21 years old, was the son of Rabbi Stewart and Mrs. Susie Weiss of Raanana, Israel. I received an email from my friend Diane Benjamin of Dallas, Texas, who told me that Rabbi Stewart Weiss was the former Rabbi of her congregation, Tiferet Israel in Dallas, before the Weiss family made aliyah. All the congregants of his former synagogue join in sharing the grief of the Weiss family.

Ari Weiss died a hero┬┤s death defending his people and his land. May his memory be for a blessing.

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Whatever dude, ROFLMAO!!!

Now for a little more fun to add fuel to the fire.

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Conspiracy: The Oklahoma City--
September 11 Connection

Philadelphia Daily News ^ | 10/3/02 | Michael Smerconish

I'M NOT A conspiracy guy. I think Oswald killed Kennedy, and that he acted alone. And, like all Americans, I figured that the tragic bombing of the Murrah Building in Oklahoma City was the work of two sick ex-Army guys, Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols.

Now I'm not so sure.

Last night, my radio station, the Big Talker 1210, brought three speakers to town for a remarkable presentation: Jayna Davis, a reporter from Oklahoma City; Larry Johnson, ex-deputy director of the State Department's office of counterterrorism, and Patrick Lang, Mideast expert formerly of the Defense Intelligence Agency.

In a spellbinding presentation, they made the case for a connection between Mideast terrorism, the Murrah bombing - and the attacks on the Twin Towers.

Now I know why former CIA Director James Woolsey has been quoted as saying that when the full truth is known about these acts of terrorism, the nation will owe Davis "a debt of gratitude."

Why her name is not already a household word is the greatest mystery of all. Just this week, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said that U.S. intelligence has "bulletproof" evidence of links between al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein. Rumsfeld didn't offer specifics. But here is what we know from the work of Davis.

When the Murrah bombing occurred at 9:02 a.m. on April 19, 1995, Davis was a reporter for the NBC affiliate in Oklahoma City. She was among the first journalists to broadcast that an enormous truck bomb had rocked the heartland, killing 168 and injuring hundreds.

In the immediate aftermath of the explosion, the FBI launched an international pursuit of several Middle Eastern-looking men seen fleeing the Murrah Building in a brown Chevy pickup right before the blast. Without explanation, that all-points bulletin was later canceled. Two days later, Timothy McVeigh was a household name. So was Terry Nichols.

And that's where most of us left the tale. Stunned, but convinced that two Army buddies, homegrown terrorists, acted alone.

Thankfully, Davis didn't close this book as quickly as most of us did. She pursued the APB and set off to track reports of multiple sightings of McVeigh with an elusive dark-haired accomplice. The infamous sketch of John Doe No. 2 was always tucked firmly in her grip.

Davis soon uncovered that several employees at an Oklahoma City property- management company said they had seen a brown Chevy truck like the getaway vehicle aggressively pursued by law enforcement parked outside their office in the days before the bombing. The company's owner was a Palestinian with a rap sheet and suspected ties to the PLO.

Davis learned that, six months before the bombing, the Palestinian hired a handful of ex-Iraqi soldiers to do maintenance at his rental houses. Eyewitnesses told Davis that they celebrated the bombing.

She was also made aware that these same men were absent from work on April 17, 1995, the day McVeigh rented the Ryder truck that carried the bomb.

While pursuing the story of these Middle Eastern men, Davis also became aware of another ex-Iraqi soldier in Oklahoma City named Hussain Hashem Al-Hussaini. She was taken aback to see that Al-Hussaini's picture, when overlaid with the government sketch of John Doe No. 2, was arguably a perfect match. He even sported a tattoo on his upper left arm indicating that he likely had served in Saddam Hussein's Republican Guard.

Davis then set about looking for a connection to McVeigh, Nichols, Al-Hussaini and other Iraqis. It came when a colleague located two eyewitnesses who claimed to have independently seen Al-Hussaini drinking beer with McVeigh in an Oklahoma City nightclub just four days before the bombing.

This convinced her station to run with the Iraqi-connection story. It was met with some controversy.

The Justice Department responded that the identification of John Doe No. 2 was merely a case of mistaken identity. Al-Hussaini contacted local reporters, claiming to be falsely accused. Davis did not back off because she believed she could repudiate Al-Hussaini's alibi.

AND SHE LOCATED two dozen witnesses who identified eight specific Middle Eastern men, the majority of whom were ex-Iraqi soldiers, who were seen with McVeigh and Nichols. Two witnesses named Al-Hussaini as the dark-haired, olive-skinned man they observed one block from the Murrah Building just before daybreak on the day of the blast.

She also uncovered evidence that implicated several of Al-Hussaini's co-workers. One of these men was identified as sitting in the driver's seat of a Chevy pickup at an Oklahoma City apartment complex hours before the truck was abandoned on the lot and towed to the FBI command post. According to police records, the truck had been stripped of its vehicle identification numbers and identifying body molding.

The story gathered steam. Here, it would appear, was the deserted pickup that was the same vehicle that was seen speeding away from the vicinity of the Murrah building with two Arab-looking occupants.

And there was more. Five witnesses independently fingered several of Al-Hussaini's associates as frequent visitors to an Oklahoma City motel in the months, days, and hours leading up to 9:02 a.m. on April 19. On numerous occasions, the subjects were seen in the company of McVeigh, and during a few instances, associating with Nichols - at the same motel!

Davis spoke to the motel owner and a maintenance worker who said the men came within feet of a large Ryder truck parked on the west side of the parking lot at 7:40 a.m. on April 19. An unexplained odor of diesel fuel emanated from the rear carriage. Minutes later, McVeigh entered the motel office and returned the room key. The motel owner then saw McVeigh drive off the lot with a man identified as Al-Hussaini.

To this day, the Justice Department has refused to return the original registration logs for the motel.

Davis has 80 pages of affidavits and 2,000 supporting documents, and they suggest not only an Iraqi connection to the Murrah bombing, but also to the attacks against the Twin Towers.

For example, Nichols was a man of modest means. Yet he traveled frequently to the Philippines. Davis discovered that Nichols was there, in Cebu City in December 1994, at the same time as the convicted mastermind of the first World Trade Center attack, Ramzi Yousef.

She has also found evidence that Islamic terrorists boasted of having recruited two "lily whites" for terrorism.

Al-Hussaini had a very American response to Davis' investigation. He sued for defamation. In a ruling on Nov. 17, 1999, federal Judge Timothy Leonard dismissed the case.

In 1995, the federal grand jury proclaimed in the official indictment that McVeigh and Nichols acted with "others unknown." And several members of the Denver juries who convicted the two said publicly that they thought they had help.

Since 1997, Davis has repeatedly tried to interest the FBI in her investigation. She has been rebuffed.

As for Al-Hussaini, after leaving Oklahoma City, he went on to work at Boston's Logan International Airport, the point of origin for several for the 9/11 hijackers, including Mohammad Atta.

One more thing. That motel where McVeigh, Nichols and Al-Hussaini were seen together was later visited (pre-9/11) by Atta, Zacharias Moussaouy and Marwan Al-Shehi.


You are about to get the shock of your life Lothar, there are FACTS, yes, ACTUAL FACTS, that Saddam Insane is training Al Quaeda in the use of chemical weapons, he is actually hosting a number of Al Quaeda in Baghdad as I type this, and that there is a definitive connection to both WTC attacks, the OKC bombing and a number of other attacks. All linked directly with Saddam and his intelligence service.

This is so much fun, I get to watch all you little peaceniks freak out, because everyone of your silly excuses for arguments are going to go out the window and you will actually look like what you are.

A bunch of socialist cowards who hate that the US is the STRONGEST country in the world, and apologize for our security and security policies every chance you get.

GET THIS, our policies are there for a reason, and they are going to remain. SO GET OVER IT!!

We are the world's ONLY super power, and we shall remain the world's ONLY superpower!!

Whine and cry all you want, but Saddam is going down, for all the reasons you claim do not exist, or choose to ignore.

This is gonna be interesting to watch what spin you are gonna put out now Lothar.

Watch NBC, ABC, CNN, MSNBC, and of course CBS, they'll tell you exactly how to spin it. They do EVERY night.

[ 10-04-2002, 03:03 PM: Message edited by: Jaguar ]

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Unhinged And Creepy Lunacy From The Left

Right Wing News ^ | 10/04/02 | John Hawkins

Under the best of circumstances, liberals do not tend to be logical or realistic about much of anything except their chances of electing more liberals. But since 9/11, the left has gotten progressively crazier and more hysterical almost by the week. How big has the reality disconnect gotten?

Bartcop's Political Humor, a web site that has multiple pictures up that compare George Bush to a Nazi, had this to say...

"Freedom? When's the last time we saw any freedom in the United States?"

In an interview with Steve Earle, the left-wing British paper 'The Independent' speculated that Earle might be ARRESTED AND HELD WITHOUT TRIAL for criticizing Bush...

"...So far, his enshrined right to free speech has allowed him to speak his mind openly on such matters; but under the sweeping provisions of the so-called Patriot Act, he could probably be arrested and held without trial for giving aid and succour to the enemy by criticising the President's plans."

One of left's most beloved cartoonists, Ted 'Terror Widows' Rall apparently believes that dissent is no longer allowed in the US -- even as he dissents...

"We've lost a great deal during the past year. For one thing, the September 11 attacks became a pretend president's pretext to eviscerate the First Amendment and other basic rights. Stifling even the slightest whimpers of dissent may end up killing the two-party political system, long crippled and ineffectual, once and for all."

A large contingent of lefties at the Democratic Underground Forums have become convinced that Bush actually planned and executed 9/11 or at least allowed it to happen -- despite public confessions from members of al-Queda. Here's an example...

"I'm ashamed to admit I can't remember when it dawned on me that Bush knew. I know it was in the first couple weeks and the Chimp was on TV, when my jaw dropped and I screamed "You knew, you sob" I knew it then in my gut and from all I've read since, I know it in my heart and mind now."

Counterpunch posted a now infamous poem by New Jersey poet laureate Amiri Bakara that repeats the oft disproven lie that Jews didn't go to the WTC on 9/11 (among other things)...

"Who set the Reichstag Fire

Who knew the World Trade Center was gonna get bombed

Who told 4000 Israeli workers at the Twin Towers

To stay home that day

Why did Sharon stay away?

Incidentally, Bakara believes that the US, Israel, Germany, France, Russia and England all knew that 9/11 was going to occur and says that the, 'Democratic Party is saying the same thing.'

This sort of unhinged and creepy lunacy is spreading like a virus through the left and not just on the fringes. Snapping them out of it is nearly impossible. Reminding them of 9/11 doesn't help, it's already an irrelevant historical event to them that no longer has anything to do with what we're doing today. They will generally admit that Saddam Hussein is dangerous, but their words have the hollow ring of a mental patient telling a doctor that, 'I really don't think I'm Jesus anymore so can you please take the straitjacket off?' They're so paranoid that Conservatives can never get through to them. In fact, just mentioning this editorial to them will probably cause them to start screaming, "police state, police state, police state" while they start looking for the brown shirts who they believe are about to haul them away to a FEMA internment camp.

So that's why we need liberals to step up -- the ones who are still sane -- to try to snap their comrades on the left out of their psychosis. Your first step will be to take them to a secure location where you can convince them that they're safe from 'agents of the government' who may be watching them (allow them to put on their tinfoil hats if it'll make them feel better). Then explain to them that they're not going to be rounded up and taken away for not agreeing with George Bush, that al-Queda carried out 9/11, and that there are 'bad people' in the world who want to hurt us. At this point, they may very well start screaming, "the voices in my head say you're trying to trick me" as they ram their heads into the wall over and over. But if you stay firm, if you stay strong, you can help bring them back to reality. However, I do have one word of warning. Unless you have two or three friends nearby to help restrain them, never, ever, explain to them that it's, "not about the oil." That much truth can even bring strong liberals to their knees...


ROFLMAO!!!

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Whatever Jagwire.


I have been mispelling your nick, sorry LOTHARR, I apologize, won't happen again.

[ 10-04-2002, 04:13 PM: Message edited by: Jaguar ]

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No dude it was a joke....like we are always going back and forth with our views but nothing changes....your still insane and Im right.get it?


ROFLMAO!!

That was cute, but it's actually, You're insane, and I'm right.

And your left, and I'm right......

That's why it's called "The Right"

[ 10-04-2002, 07:22 PM: Message edited by: Jaguar ]

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