Elder Posted June 16, 2001 Report Share Posted June 16, 2001 ahhh my first post here.... I hope this is appropiate....I dl/ed the "lite" BCM demo ( only have ISDN) and just installed it... Ive been running the 12.00whql detonator drivers for a month or so ... seeming fine.... however with BCM when i launched the game the screen would go black for a few seonds then pop back to my desk top.... on a hunch i loaded up the "official" 6.50 drivers and the game now runs flawlessly... If any one else has the problem make sure your video drivers are the offical ones released from your vid card chipset manufacturer...... especially if your one of those people with and Nvidia card who loves to load the newest "beta" detonator drivers that seem to appear evey other week.....) BTW i just learned of this game and this board. In brief all i can say is i cant believe i missed this one till now....Anyway i got questions which ill address in another post and after running some fourm searches.... oh wait i got to play the demo thru one more time........ see ya! Elder kk266 tbird 1.2 gig 512 crucial pc133 Elsa geforce 2 pro onboard sound[ 06-16-2001: Message edited by: mike ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkvenom Posted June 16, 2001 Report Share Posted June 16, 2001 Too bad the official drivers from Nvidia BSOD on me 25% of the time The drivers from Asus works fine. Anybody else owns a V7700 32mb PURE and have problems with the detonator drivers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supreme Cmdr Posted June 17, 2001 Report Share Posted June 17, 2001 quote:on a hunch i loaded up the "official" 6.50 drivers and the game now runs flawlesslyHad you actually read the FAQ, you would have saved yourself the hunch and some time+aggravation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CmdrDave Posted June 17, 2001 Report Share Posted June 17, 2001 The 12 whql seems to work fine on my computer. I had trouble at first because I had not downloaded the latest drivers (which I found out by looking at the FAQ section). After downloading the 12 thingie with the detonator 3d (because I did not find the 6.5), the game worked perfectly. Well, very seldom it does freeze up but this probably me try to do something which is disabled like goto the Navcom. I liked the game interface more than the original. I did notice that when I played the second instant action thing, that my Gamm crew looked like human crew. At the beginning they look like normal Gamm and then I receive a message and from that point on they are human and so I am. While, I am sure you like hearing positive things, I know it is also to get constructive feedback on other aspects as well, since nothing is 100% perfect. I suppose the only negative thing I could say about the game demo so far is the lack of interaction with other craft, i.e. I can not communicate with them. It would be nice in my opinion, to tell the Gamm to back off or be prepared for a fight (Sorry, I prefer Picard's approach to Kirk's. )or be able to verbally request docking instead of hitting ctrl-d. But I suppose the interaction with you crew serves to fill in the quiet void of space. I can see why it would not be necessary for multiplayer but some people do not play well with others. Well, I look forward to seeing the next epsoide and how the ground system looks upclose. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elder Posted June 17, 2001 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2001 Ya i here ya SC... its just hard to find a balance between wanting to test the " latest and greatest" geforce drivers and being concerned with what drivers work with what particular game(s)/hardware im currently running.....)CmdrDave- www.nvidia.com has the 6.50 drivers for the geforce... which are the most recent, official, and supported drivers from nvidia. Give them a try if your having any graphical issues.[ 06-17-2001: Message edited by: mike ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted June 18, 2001 Report Share Posted June 18, 2001 6.50 is still the way to go. The newest drivers have reported issues with Anarchy Online, as well as Tribes 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supreme Cmdr Posted June 18, 2001 Report Share Posted June 18, 2001 quote:I suppose the only negative thing I could say about the game demo so far is the lack of interaction with other craft, i.e. I can not communicate with them. It would be nice in my opinion, to tell the Gamm to back off or be prepared for a fight (Sorry, I prefer Picard's approach to Kirk's. )or be able to verbally request docking instead of hitting ctrl-d. But I suppose the interaction with you crew serves to fill in the quiet void of space. I can see why it would not be necessary for multiplayer but some people do not play well with others. These were all part of my original design docs - but alas, there is only so much that I can put in the game, and still have room for the kitchen sink ....but, since you are new to the BC series, then you probably are not aware of my track record for putting in freebies in my patches. So, you never know what may show up in a later patch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game_Ender Posted June 28, 2001 Report Share Posted June 28, 2001 Ok i have downloaded the Episode 1 high content demo (it took a little under 18 hours and i hope it is worth it ). I also got the patch and did everything it said to impliment it.When ever I start the game the screen goes black but I still hear the sound as the game starts up. The only way for me to get out of the game is to alt tab out which turns off the game.I have a geforce 3 and I am running the latest driver that is on the nvidia web site, v12.41. I went to there site and i am going to give the 6.50 driver a try.[ 06-28-2001: Message edited by: Game_Ender ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallion Posted June 28, 2001 Report Share Posted June 28, 2001 The following nvidia Det 3 Drivers work fine in my experience:12.01 12.40 12.41 WHQL 12.90The 6.50 drivers will work but you will miss out on a lot of goodies quote:...Ok i have downloaded the Episode 1 Should've spent time downloading Episode 2.Enjoy TTFN[ 06-28-2001: Message edited by: Gallion ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supreme Cmdr Posted June 28, 2001 Report Share Posted June 28, 2001 quote:Should've spent time downloading Episode 2Great, now he's going to sink into a state of depression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game_Ender Posted June 28, 2001 Report Share Posted June 28, 2001 I already am, this also happens with Homeworld and Homeworld Cataclysm (but only since i got my Geforce 3).The 6.50 driver won't install, it can't find a "Nvidia graphics chipset". Its also called "TNTW9.EXE" so it might be to old for a geforce 3? I don't what it is , the sound plays just like the game was starting up like normal but nothing appears on the screen.Is there anything else to do, to screw up before i even start a scenario it must be something basic (or really complicated )P.S. - I was planing on getting Episode 2 after i got Episode 1 working. Edit- I forgot to mention i got a new mother board and CPU along with my Geforce 3, so they could be the problem. The mother board was by the K7VZA Revision 3.0 by ECS (With 1.3Ghz tbird). Also this setup plays other 3D games just fine. The "other" includes Emperor: Battle for Dune and Deus Ex (it uses the Unreal Engine).[ 06-28-2001: Message edited by: Game_Ender ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game_Ender Posted July 1, 2001 Report Share Posted July 1, 2001 Here is the debug log file from one of the times the game didn't work right. To be more exact every time a start up the game the screen goes into stanby/shutdown mode (the mode it goes in when the i turn off the computer but not the monitor).Loading objects.dat Loading connect.dat randomising Misc allocations Setup sin() table iam_init() alloc mtds alliance_init() WindowResize() Client :0,0,634,455 Parent :0,0,640,480 palette_load() Initialise Commlink Initialise pte sound_init() keyboard_open() Initialise debris Initialise stars Initialise planet Planet points 424 427) Planet triangles 800 control_open() init() completedHere is the results from a program that gets details on computer specs. I am doing this in hope that someone will see what is wrong. If i don't find something wrong i will just reformat my hard drive , reinstall windows , and then try to find all the right drivers .----EASy System Summary-------------------------------------- Video Card : NVIDIA GeForce3 Video Driver : nvdisp.drv Driver Version : 4.13.01.1200 Sound Card : Creative SB Live! Sound Driver : emu10k1.vxd Driver Version : 4.06.00.0703 DirectX : DirectX 8 Operating System Windows 98 A 4.10.2222----EASy System Output--------------------------------------- Computer Name : JoeBIOS Info Name : Award Version : Award Modular BIOS v4.51PG PNP : Plug and Play BIOS Manufacturer : (Standard system devices)CPU Info CPU Count : 1 CPU Type : 1338 MHz AuthenticAMD Thunderbird 6 4 2 RAM : 510 MB Total 408 MB Free Virtual RAM : 1537 MB Total 1457 MB Free Operating System : Windows 98 A 4.10.2222 Default Browser : Internet Explorer Version : 5.50.4134.600 Temp Directory : C:WINDOWSTEMP Size : 193 MB----------------------------------------------------------------Display Info-------------------------------------------- Number of Displays : 1 Current Mode (Primary) : 1024x768 32 Refresh Rate (Primary) : Optimal refresh ratePrimary display device Description : NVIDIA GeForce3 Manufacturer : NVIDIA Video Memory : 64 MB Main Driver : nvdisp.drv Version : 4.13.01.1200 Provider : NVIDIA Supported Display Modes | 16 | 256 | 16 bits| 24 bits| 32 bits --------------------------------------------------- 640 x 480| * | * | * | | * 800 x 600| | * | * | | * 1024x 768| | * | * | | * 1152x 864| | * | * | | * 1280x1024| | * | * | | * 1600x1200| | * | * | | * ----------------------------------------------------------------Sound, Video and Game Controllers----------------------- Description : Creative SB Live! Manufacturer : Creative Main Driver : emu10k1.vxd Version : 4.06.00.0703 Provider : Creative Description : Logitech USB Microphone Manufacturer : Logitech Main Driver : LVSound2.sys Version : Provider : Logitech Description : Microsoft Kernel System Renderer Manufacturer : Microsoft Main Driver : Version : Provider : Microsoft Description : 2-axis, 2-button joystick Driver : msjstick.drv Version : 4.08.00.0400 Attached : Yes----------------------------------------------------------------Direct X------------------------------------------------DirectX Info Version : DirectX 8DirectDraw Info Version : 4.08.00.0400 Certified : Not certifiedDirectSound Info Version : 4.08.00.0400 Certified : Not certifiedDirectPlay Info Version : 4.03.00.1096DirectInput Info Version : 4.08.00.0400----------------------------------------------------------------Drive Information-------------------------------------------CDRom Info---------------------------------------------- Cache size : 1238 KB Access Pattern : Quad-speed or higherDrive Letter A Volume Name : Type : Floppy File System : FAT Total Space : 1.39 MB Free Space : 891.50 KBDrive Letter C Volume Name : Type : Fixed File System : FAT32 Total Space : 5.96 GB Free Space : 3.73 GBDrive Letter D Volume Name : Type : Fixed File System : FAT32 Total Space : 9.76 GB Free Space : 570.89 MBDrive Letter E Volume Name : Type : Fixed File System : FAT32 Total Space : 9.75 GB Free Space : 4.56 GBDrive Letter F Volume Name : EMPEROR3 Type : CDRom File System : CDFS Total Space : 592.63 MB Free Space : 0.00 KB Sec/MB : Test not performed Detected Speed : Test not performed----------------------------------------------------------------Monitor Information-------------------------------------Primary monitor Description : ViewSonic PF790 Manufacturer : ViewSonic Corporation Max. Resolution : 1600x1200----------------------------------------------------------------Network Information------------------------------------- Description : Dial-Up Adapter Manufacturer : Microsoft Driver : pppmac.vxd Provider : Microsoft Bound Protocols TCP/IP IP Address: Obtained from provider IP Mask: Obtained from provider ----------------------------------------------------------------Input Device Information--------------------------------Mouse Information Description : Cordless8 (PS/2) Type : PS2 Keyboard Information Description : IBM enhanced (101- or 102-key)----------------------------------------------------------------Modem Information--------------------------------------- Description : Modem Blaster USB DE5670 Driver : Modem Blaster USB DE5670 Provider : 3-30-1999----------------------------------------------------------------Glide/OpenGL Information--------------------------------Glide Info Glide2 Version : Glide3 Version : OpenGL Info Version : 4.0----------------------------------------------------------------Task List-----------------------------------------------msgsrv32.exe spool32.exe mprexe.exe mstask.exe lexbces.exe rpcss.exe mmtask.tsk ddhelp.exe taskmon.exe Systray wmiexe.exe rnaapp.exe tapisrv.exe iexplore.exe pstores.exe Explorer ez.exe----------------------------------------------------------------Autoexec.bat--------------------------------------------SET BLASTER=A240 I2 D0 H7 P330 T6SET CTSYN=C:WINDOWSC:PROGRA~1CREATIVESBLIVEDOSDRVSBEINIT.COM@SET CLASSPATH=C:PROGRA~1PHOTOD~1.0ADOBEC~1;D:Program FilesHEATnavbar;%CLASSPATH%----------------------------------------------------------------Config.sys----------------------------------------------DEVICE=C:WINDOWSHIMEM.SYSDEVICE=C:WINDOWSEMM386.EXE------------------------------------------------------------X_CASE_START X_CASE_DESCRIPTION: X_CONTACT_FIRST_NAME: X_CONTACT_LAST_NAME: X_GAME: X_SERIAL_KEY: X_OPERATING_SYSTEM: Windows 98 A , Version 4.10, Build 2222 X_PROCESSOR: Thunderbird X_SPEED: 1338 MHz X_MMX: No X_RAM: 510 MB X_MANUFACTURER: X_PRODUCT_ID: X_VIDEO_CARD: NVIDIA GeForce3 X_DISPLAY_DRIVER: 4.13.01.1200 X_DISPLAY_DIRECTX: Not Certified, Hardware Support X_DISPLAY_MEMORY: 7 MB X_AUDIO_CERTIFIED: Not Certified X_AUDIO_DRIVERS: emu10k1.vxd 4.06.00.0703 X_MODEM: Modem Blaster USB DE5670 X_V_MANUFACTURER: NVIDIA X_A_MANUFACTURER: Creative X_CASE_END Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gaidal Posted July 4, 2001 Report Share Posted July 4, 2001 Hey, have you tried disabling the "Adjust Z-buffer depth if rendering unequal"? I know that was an issue with the 6.50 drivers, but it *seems* to work for me with the 12.x ones. Also, if you have a VIA chipset board, download and install the latest version of the 4-in-one drivers. One other thing, try uninstalling the nVidia drivers before reinstalling them next time. Sometimes some leftover driver thingies (yeah real technical *g*) get stuck on there, especially if you upgraded from another nVidia card. Finally, you might have to format and reinstall. Hope you got a CD burner, it really does make things a little better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harlocke Posted July 8, 2001 Report Share Posted July 8, 2001 I have been having some odd graphic problems running the 12.90 drivers with the ep2 demo. Firstly the 12.90 drivers work with all my games and seem to be just as fast or even a tad faster (and have better visuals)than the previous 7.52 drivers I was running. Now I am currently playing "Emperor battle for dune","Startopia",and "UT"with "infiltration". These games seem to run much better with the 12.90 drivers due to dx8 support as EBfD and Startopia are dx8 games like unto the BCM demo2. The BCM demo2 runs great on these drivers and seems so far to be quite stable on them. Unfortunatly there is one little problem I am having with them. The problem ONLY occures in the e2demo. Basically what is happening is that the planetary aspect of the game is rendering ludicrus levels of fog. The "fog" (don't know if thats what it really is or not)is the same color of the sky..such as a mars like planet would be 5ft of visibility in redish fog..or a moon(satini) of a gas planet would be black fog as there is no atmosphere there. I can do every thing the demo offers except the plantary visiblity makes flying planet side impossible. I can see the shadowy forms of buildings and vehicles when I am in a certain distance but they have no visble color other than that of the fog ..just darker. TTDs are visible and readable and targets in the cvd are normal..just as they are in the space side of the game. Now what I am hoping here is that someone might have an idea of what needs to be adjusted to make this "Fog" from hell go away. Oddly this did not happen on my 7.52 drivers ( YES i know they not dx8 compliant but I was curious how far they would work..oddly they worked, just a bit unstable is all but everything was functional). I would like to hold onto these drivers(12.90) if possible but if not then could someone tell me which driver set from 10.80 ,12.00,12.41,12.60, work best as an alternative? Thanks, your time is much appreciated. PS: my apature is set to 64mb and all the other little bios things that need to be done have been done since the the instalation of my 7.52 drivers. My machine is a PII 350 leadtec winfast geforce2 mx 32mb 128mb ram win98 dx8.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supreme Cmdr Posted July 8, 2001 Report Share Posted July 8, 2001 Only drivers officially released by the manufacturers, are supported. In which case, that would be the 12.41 WHQL drivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elder Posted July 8, 2001 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2001 ack this post wont die!.....Im my opinion the multitude of vid card/driver combos out there creates a nightmare for game developers trying to create a solid game that will run on every ones rigs ..... So if you want to try vid cards or drivers not listed as "offical" by the game development team.....cool! But use at your own risk! That said anyone who owns an Nvidia based vid card is presented with "new" drivers ever other day it seems like. Many of us like to test out these drivers as see how they perform with different games/benchmarks.... All good....... But i think many people switch Video card drivers so often and dont uninstall/install properly that they have "junk" left in there registry thats affecting the performance of there video card when they do install the correct drivers.. Im to lazy to type out a step by step discription of how to uninstall/install vid drivers but I found this nice little utility over @ www.guru3d.com called Detonator Destroyer which explains how to use it and then install what ever drivers you want to install..Heres a link :web pageP.s. Im a very patient man.......but this waiting for BCM to go gold is killing me! arg!ARG! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harlocke Posted July 9, 2001 Report Share Posted July 9, 2001 Thanks for your input into the matter, it is appreciated. Just fyi I did follow the guru3d method of install and uninstall for nvidia drivers. Switching to another driver set is really no big deal..I was just wondering if the issue could be remedied through settings somewhere. I think I have heard of this kind of problem with people with other products and there was some solution to it. However I will just explore the rest of the 12.41 and 12.60 to see which works out best for me. The main reason I was using the 12.90 driver was because I read about some fixes that the SC was working on that might be solved by the 12.90 canidate (hehe I do read ALL the vfc..old habit from the first game..wish there was a way to do a word search in it though. personaly I wish all programing teams would create vfc's as I do QA for a living, and well sometimes my job is harder than it needs to be). Also loaded them up cause most people around the web are saying they are pretty damn good drivers in comparison to 12.41, guess i'll go be the judge of that.My apologies for being too wordy..I am a wordy kind of guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon Posted July 16, 2001 Report Share Posted July 16, 2001 i have a TNT2 with 12.41 det3 drivers and the only probs I had was not installing the drivers properly as per the specific instructions on installing the card drivers. Had no probs with episode 1 after turning of the z buffer, and absolutely none with episode 2. But maybe its because i read the FAQ.The specs well Duron 800 Gigabyte 7Zm Mainboard 128 mg Ram TNT2 32 mg ram 98 SE and only 2.1 gb HDDAnd it works damn fine[ 07-17-2001: Message edited by: Falcon ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhizzKidd Posted August 21, 2001 Report Share Posted August 21, 2001 quote:Originally posted by Supreme Cmdr: Only drivers officially released by the manufacturers, are supported. In which case, that would be the 12.41 WHQL drivers.Um, I have those drivers installed and I cant get Demo Ep 1 to work at all. It just flashes down to 640x480 then flashes back to 1600x1200 (desktop res). Yes, "adjust z buffer depth to rendering depth if unequal" is ticked in my display settings. So, what gives? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epsilon 5 Posted August 21, 2001 Report Share Posted August 21, 2001 Maybe those drivers only work in the 2nd demo... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supreme Cmdr Posted August 21, 2001 Report Share Posted August 21, 2001 quote:Yes, "adjust z buffer depth to rendering depth if unequal" is ticked in my display settings. So, what gives? Read the FAQ again. S_L_O_W_L_Y this time. OK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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