Iraq, and the things the press isn't telling you

[Guest]

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Originally posted by Gol_Stoan:

Ah, but poisons are not being considered to be WMDs by the media, the ricin found in DC was not considered to be a WMD, just a very deadly poison.

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The media doesn't have an agenda now does it?

ROFLMAO!!

[Cruis.In]

i didnt feel like creating a topic for this.

my question

do you think if a terrorist group got a wam bam nuclear warhead or missle that they would use it?

would they go that far? i mean what they do is still on conventional terms, using standard explosives to blow themselves up, but would they use a nuke?

i couldnt say for sure, since i will never see into the mind of a terrorist, but i think if they did they would lose all their arguments to the world that they are soldiers and not terrorists.

[Guest]

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Originally posted by Cruis.In:

i didnt feel like creating a topic for this.

my question

do you think if a terrorist group got a wam bam nuclear warhead or missle that they would use it?

would they go that far? i mean what they do is still on conventional terms, using standard explosives to blow themselves up, but would they use a nuke?

i couldnt say for sure, since i will never see into the mind of a terrorist, but i think if they did they would lose all their arguments to the world that they are soldiers and not terrorists.

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To your question as to would they use such a weapon?

The answer is a definite YES, why you ask?

Because these are not normal patriots etc, they are not protecting a country, they are not protecting their family, they are trying to spread their religion throughout the entire world.

They are a religious ZEALOTS, and that is a WHOLE different ballgame.

To them, we are the great satan, we do not abide by the rules that they have, therefore killing us, in ANY way shape or form they can is fair game.

Yes, it is hard for us as a civilized and diversified nation to come to terms with this, but if you are not muslim, to these terrorists, then you deserve to die in order for them to continue doing what they are doing.

We are a danger to their continued spreading of their religious zealotry, therefore to kill us is not a sin, it is a DUTY.

Therefore setting off a nuclear weapon within our midst, even if it costs the lives of the devout, is a religious duty.

Yes, it is hard to fathom, but until you realize, that it is either us, or them, then you have yet to realize the full impact and breadth of the socalled "war on terrorism".

And no, I am not talking about ALL muslims, I am talking about the zealots, hate all who are not Muslim crazy zealots.

Most Muslims just want to live in peace and practice their religion in peace, but a small minority are the ones that are doing the killing for Allah.

[Cruis.In]

i ask because with so many out there. its hard to believe some fool won't give them one...

[Bleusilences]

u.N inspector never have been kick out of iraq, they run away because they had information about a U.S attack and it was too dangerous to stay there. Ho in btw iraq as been watch for more then 10 year and U.S have bomb Iraq often between the two golf war,.

[El Che]

Just face it, Jag. There were now wmd's and we bombed women and children AND MOST IMPORTANTLY our soldiers continue to die in that country because of the false deception that George W. Bush laid out for us. Please Jag, just come clean and admit it.

[Guest]

Oh please El Che, quit posting in this forum, all you have is propaganda and nonsense, and we blow it way with facts.

You are a liberal, and YOU are WRONG!!

You spew propaganda and lies like they are facts, and expect us to fall into line.

Sorry, at your school, they might not teach you about facts, just how to fall in line with the leader or teacher of the time. But I was in debate, I learned to weigh the facts, and figure out which was nonsense and what was not. I was also educated in the military, on what was good intelligence and what was not, how to tell a pile of garbage, from a diamond mine. You seem to think the pile of garbage has diamonds hidden in it, well, enjoy diggin through it, because there are no diamonds, and you are just gonna smell bad afterwards.

[LostInSpace]

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Originally posted by Cruis.In:

i didnt feel like creating a topic for this.

my question

do you think if a terrorist group got a wam bam nuclear warhead or missle that they would use it?

would they go that far? i mean what they do is still on conventional terms, using standard explosives to blow themselves up, but would they use a nuke?

i couldnt say for sure, since i will never see into the mind of a terrorist, but i think if they did they would lose all their arguments to the world that they are soldiers and not terrorists.

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Hell yes they would use the damn thing. We've seen it time and time again with the indiscriminate use of car bombs, and this one is for El che too, where civilian women, children and men get killed. Take the lesson from the Lord of the Rings and the scouring of the Shire no one is safe from harm. Do you think a little thing like a Nuke is going to stop them from using it? And a Nuclear leak has happened as I saw on CNN (couldn't seem to find the article about this CNN's web site) Pakistan Scientists Leaked Nuclear Technology. These terrorist groups seem to thrive off of civilian, not military, mass kills. Just look at the world trade center. They were more than happy with themselves with the massive civilian casuality count and patted themselves on the back. When we attacked Iraq, all our targets were political and military not civilian but Hussein in his wisdom placed these military facility right on top if not near civilian neighborboods and housing. It's like the leaders of terrorist groups they travel around shielded by a group of children body shields so if any one takes him out they take out the kids too to dissuade anyone from attaking them.

Anyway, I don't see as much outcry from these action as I do towards Bush's actions. As for the weapons of mass destruction, hello, we did find one in a hole Saddam Hussein. Just ask the Iraqi's. Actually, I think that the military WMD's was a snow job on all of us from Hussein himself to keep his enemies at bay namely the Kurds, Shiite's and Iran. Hussein had to keep up that illusion so he did not appear to militarily weak.

[Steve Schacher]

You'll notice that the media is no longer referring to "not finding WMDs." They are now talking about not finding stockpiles of WMDs. They've moved the goalposts yet again.

As you can see from my prior posts, soldiers found a huge block of cyanide salts (used in death penalty gas chambers, among other things) in a safehouse of a known Iraqi poison specialist. That cyanide (sodium cyanide) is the same stuff that was used in the second Tokyo subway gasing a few years ago (where, fortunately, nobody was killed, unlike in the first sarin gasing).

So, they are finding chemical agents that can kill masses of people. Therefore, the president must now find "stockpiles" of WMDs. If (or when) he does find stockpiles, they will then claim that he has to find them in missiles on the launchpad with smoke coming out of the bottom.

[Guest $iLk]

Pulled this bit from Nealz Nuze today:

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Do you buy the idea that those weapons didn't exist, or that Saddam destroyed them? Consider this: At one time Iraq claimed that it had 8,500 liters of anthrax. Sounds like a lot, doesn't it? That would be 8.5 tons. In February Colin Powell said that it was possible that Hussein could have three times that much anthrax in liquid form. That would be 25 tons. How much space would it take to hide 25 tons of liquid anthrax?

One 18-wheel tanker truck.

That's all. Remember, please, that Hussein had Russian MIG jet fighters buried in the Iraqi desert. How many places could you bury a tanker truck? Or maybe you would just reduce that liquid anthrax to powder form? How much space would that take? About 12 suitcases. Twelve suitcases could have been hidden in Saddam's spidey hole. Just something to think about.

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[Steve Schacher]

William Safire's latest column in the New York Times:

Found: A Smoking Gun

In the town of Kalar, about a hundred miles northeast of Baghdad, Kurdish villagers recently reported suspicious activity to the pesh merga.

That Kurdish militia has for years been waging a bloody battle with Ansar al-Islam, the terrorist group affiliated with Al Qaeda in Afghanistan and supported by Saddam Hussein in Iraq. It captured a courier carrying a message that demolishes the repeated claim of Bush critics that there was never a "clear link" between Saddam and Osama bin Laden.

The terrorist courier with a CD-ROM containing a 17-page document and other messages was Hassan Ghul, who confessed he was taking to Al Qaeda the Ansar document setting forth a strategy to start an Iraqi civil war, along with a plea for reinforcements. The Kurds turned him over to Americans for further interrogation, which is proving fruitful.

The Times reporter Dexter Filkins in Baghdad, backed up by Douglas Jehl in D.C., broke the story exclusively. Editors marked its significance by placing it on the front page above the fold. Although The Washington Post the next day buried it on Page 17 (and Newsweek may construe as bogus any Saddam-Osama connection) the messages' authenticity was best attested by the amazed U.S. official who told Reuters, "We couldn't make this up if we tried."

The author of the lengthy Ansar-to-Qaeda electronic message is suspected of being the most wanted terror operative in the world today: Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, long familiar to readers of this space as "the man with the limp," who personifies the link of Ansar and Al Qaeda.

On Sept. 24, 2001 ÔÇö not two weeks after 9/11 ÔÇö Kurdish sources led me to report: "The clear link between the terrorist in hiding [Osama] and the terrorist in power [saddam] can be found in Kurdistan. . . . The Iraqi dictator has armed and financed a fifth column of Al Qaeda mullahs and terrorists. . . . Some 400 `Arab Afghan' mercenaries . . . have already murdered a high Kurdish official as well as a Muslim scholar who dared to interpret the Koran humanely."

The C.I.A. blew off that report. Our National Security Council did not learn of subsequent warfare against the Kurds by the Qaeda affiliate doing Saddam's bidding until its members read it in The Times. After Jeffrey Goldberg of the New Yorker and C. J. Chivers of The Times developed the story from inside northern Iraq, it dawned on some intelligence analysts that a "clear link" was probable.

On Oct. 7, 2002, President Bush said "We know that Iraq and Al Qaeda have had high-level contacts that go back a decade. Some Al Qaeda leaders who fled Afghanistan went to Iraq. These include one very senior Al Qaeda leader who received medical treatment in Baghdad this year."

The leader whose leg was treated, perhaps amputated, in Baghdad was identified here in January 2003, as Zarqawi (twice, after one misspelling). The presence of this international terrorist for two months in a Baghdad hospital required the approval of Saddam's ubiquitous secret police.

In his U.N. speech the following month, Colin Powell publicly identified the Palestinian, born in Jordan, as one who oversaw a terrorist training camp in Afghanistan three years before: "Iraq today harbors a deadly terrorist network headed by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, an associate and collaborator of Osama bin Laden."

Now we have documentary evidence of Ansar's current operation: employing suicide bombers to foment a civil war in Iraq that would reinstate safe haven for terrorists. The notion that these serial killers are not central players in the global network that attacked us ÔÇö that the Ansar boss in Iraq must be found carrying an official Qaeda membership card signed by bin Laden ÔÇö is simply silly.

Of the liberation's three casus belli, one was to stop mass murder, bloodier than in Kosovo; we are finding horrific mass graves in Iraq. Another was informed suspicion that a clear link existed between world terror and Saddam; this terrorist plea for Qaeda reinforcements to kill Iraqi democracy is the smoking gun proving that.

The third was a reasoned judgment that Saddam had a bioweapon that could wipe out a city; in time, we are likely to find a buried suitcase containing that, too.

[Guest]

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Originally posted by El Che:

Just face it, Jag. There were now wmd's and we bombed women and children AND MOST IMPORTANTLY our soldiers continue to die in that country because of the false deception that George W. Bush laid out for us. Please Jag, just come clean and admit it.

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Time for you to come clean and tell us that you are wrong. Come on El Che, you can do it.

There is a definitive link between Al Quaeda and Saddam, not only that, but there were and are indeed WMD's, we have found some, the cyanide salts being one.

Come on El Che, just admit that you were suckered by the propaganda and your own hatred of the Bush administration.

Come on, just admit you were wrong, can you do it?

[LostInSpace]

Iraqi officials agree on draft of constitution. Very positive news indeed (except for the violent parts).

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Originally posted by LostInSpace:

Iraqi officials agree on draft of constitution

. Very positive news indeed (except for the violent parts).

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It's about time too, I don't care if the US government doesn't think they are ready, the people of Iraq believe that they are ready.

Time to start turning thier country back over to them and get our boys home. They did the job that was required and continue to do so, the sooner we can turn over power the better.

[Supreme Cmdr]

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Originally posted by Jaguar:

You know that I disagree with Bush on some of his Domestic spending, Prescription drug policy and education, but I do NOT disagree with him on Iraq.

Here is what is happening in Iraq that the press isn't telling us about.

I'm impressed!!

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Impressive indeed. Got link?

[Guest]

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Originally posted by Supreme Cmdr:

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Originally posted by Jaguar:

You know that I disagree with Bush on some of his Domestic spending, Prescription drug policy and education, but I do NOT disagree with him on Iraq.

Here is what is happening in Iraq that the press isn't telling us about.

I'm impressed!!

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Impressive indeed. Got link?

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The original came in an e-mail, but I have a few links to verify.

USINFO on Iraq page

Whitehouse

The original speech that my post was taken from

[Kalshion]

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we bombed women and children

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Anyone see a MAJOR problem with that statement?

You make it sound like we did it INTENTIONALY, guess this baka has never heard of a mistake? or a misfire (there are such things as a misfire)

[Mano Faber]

Frankly i support the war by 49/51% (no/yes) in favor of bush though i really dislike the bushgang. I thought most of the arguments were weak or doubtful. However there was an article in a dutch newpaper before the war. It was written by Salmon Rushdie and he argumented (or something like it) that the Goal of Bush and that of the Iraqies coincided, that is a free Iraq. My 51% is for the Iraqies.

I also do respect the individual US soldier who believes he's doing this for a good cause and fight in some god forsaken land far away from home.

Now Spain mentioned that they might remove their soldiers i think that's a mistake. Just like Holland , Poland (though number of soldiers are symbolic) they should stay there i think. Starting a war is bad leaving in without stabilizing it, is propably worse (creates another pre-war Afghanistan). The numbers are insignificant but the political support is not. It would send the wrong signal to terrorists

if the soldiers were to be bring their soldiers back home. Even if you have a valid reason, on the streets this might be explained differently.

Frankly i have many doubts but i reluctantly support Bush.

I'm finding it hard to understand that times i'm in awe that an american soldier is willing to fight for freedom ( i assume) for some country faraway yet they aren't willing to pay healthcare for their fellow americans.

[Guest]

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Originally posted by Mano Faber:

I'm finding it hard to understand that times i'm in awe that an american soldier is willing to fight for freedom ( i assume) for some country faraway yet they aren't willing to pay healthcare for their fellow americans.

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Yeah, that's it, turn our medical system into a third world Medical system.Yeah, that's the ticket.

Sorry, I would rather pay fo my own healthcare, not have to wait in lines to have checkups, not have to wait 6 months for major surgery, and of course, not die on the table because some doctor has worked 4 surgeries that day and was tired when he finally got to me.

Nah, you can keep your "universal" health care.

Our system works just fine thank you, the government has screwed it up enough, thank you very much.

[Cc]

(Mano) Thanks for the interesting perspective.

Jag : You may change your mind if you end up in the hospital without medical insurance.

Like me ...still paying the bill.

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[Steve Schacher]

Breaking soon? King Abdullah: Al Qaeda WMDs Came From Syria

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Jordan's King Abdullah revealed on Saturday that

vehicles reportedly containing

chemical weapons and poison gas

that were part of a deadly al Qaeda bomb plot came from Syria, the country named by U.S. weapons inspector David Kay last year as a likely

repository for Iraq's weapons of mass destruction

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"It was a major, major operation. It would have decapitated the government," King Abdullah told the San Francisco Chronicle. Jordanian officials estimated that the death count could have been as high as 20,000 - seven times greater than the Sept. 11 attacks.

Abdullah said that trucks containing 17.5 tons of explosives had come from Syria, though he took pains not to implicate Syrian President Bashir Assad in the al Qaeda plot, saying, "I'm completely confident that Bashir did not know about it."

In his testimony before Congress last year, Mr. Kay said U.S. satellite surveillance showed substantial vehicular traffic going from Iraq to Syria just prior to the U.S.attack on March 19, 2003 attack.

While Kay said investigators couldn't be sure the cargo contained weapons of mass destruction, one of his top advisors described the evidence as "unquestionable."

"People below the Saddam-Hussein-and-his-sons level saw what was coming and decided the best thing to do was to destroy and disperse," said James Clapper, in comments reported by the New York Times on Oct. 29. Clapper heads up the National Imagery and Mapping Agency.

Israeli intelligence has long believed that after the U.S. delayed invasion plans to allow U.N. weapons inspectors time to search for Iraq's WMDs, Saddam moved the banned weapons to Syria, the only other country where the Ba'ath Party ruled.

On April 1, Jordanian officials announced the arrest of several terrorist suspects, saying they were still hunting for two cars filled with explosives.

Five days later, the State Department revealed the attackers were linked to Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, a Jordanian-based terrorist considered to be one of al Qaeda's most dangerous. One of Zarqawi's targets was the U.S. embassy in Amman.

By Saturday morning European news services were quoting an unnamed Jordanian official who revealed that the al Qaeda plotters planned to use weapons of mass destruction in the foiled attack.

"We found primary materials to make a chemical bomb which, if it had exploded, would have made nearly 20,000 deaths ... in an area of one square kilometre," the official told Agence France Press.

Another operation planned by the network was to use "deadly gas against the US embassy and the prime minister's office in Amman," he added.

A car belonging to the al Qaeda plotters, containing a chemical bomb and poisonous gas, was intercepted just 75 miles from the Syrian border.

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HOWEVER...

A San Francisco Chronicle story on the matter (Al Qaeda warning by king of Jordan: Abdullah says his forces thwarted major bomb plot) makes no mention of the composition of the bombs.

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Jordan's King Abdullah II, asserting that Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda terrorist network is "still very, very effective," said Friday that his security services had foiled a plot to blow up major government buildings and perhaps the U.S. Embassy in Amman.

In a wide-ranging interview with The Chronicle's editorial board, Abdullah, who is Washington's closest ally among Arab leaders, gave a bleak assessment of the fight against terrorism and the situation in neighboring Iraq, where he said civil war was "a possibility."

He admitted being blindsided by President Bush's strong embrace of Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon on Wednesday, embodied by Bush's decision to back Israeli annexation of some land in the West Bank.

In a sign that Jordan may not totally escape the bloody convulsions now ripping through Iraq, Abdullah revealed that the arrest of two suspected terrorists two weeks ago had exposed plans to mount one of the most deadly terrorist attacks ever in the Arab world.

The monarch said his security services had followed the trail of the suspects and captured five trucks packed with 17.5 tons of high explosives, which apparently were intended for an attack on the Jordanian prime minister's office and the intelligence ministry.

"It was a major, major operation," Abdullah said. "It would have decapitated the government."

Casualties would have been "in the thousands," he added. "It couldn't have been more sinister."

Abdullah said European anti-terrorism experts were aiding the Jordanian police investigation,

but details were still sketchy -- including a solid identification of the type of explosive

the suspects were carrying.

He said that although the trucks had come from Syria, "I'm completely confident that Bashir did not know about it," he said, referring to Syrian President Bashir Assad, whom U.S. officials have accused of allowing terrorist groups to use his country's territory.

Abdullah's comments amplified a little-noticed announcement issued two weeks ago. On April 1, Jordanian officials said they had arrested several terrorist suspects and were hunting for two cars laden with explosives. Five days later, the State Department said the attackers were linked to Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, a Jordanian terrorist believed linked to al Qaeda, and intended to attack the U.S. embassy in Amman.

On Friday, Abdullah noted that the State Department had publicly said the embassy was a target in the plot, but he said Jordanian investigators had not been able to confirm this.

more...

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The BBC reports it as a "chemical bomb" in this story: Jordan 'was chemical bomb target'.

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Al-Qaeda-linked terrorists planned a chemical attack on Jordan's spy headquarters that could have killed 20,000 people, officials have said.

Earlier this week King Abdullah said a massive attack had been thwarted by a series of arrests, but named no target.

Now unnamed officials say the suspects have confessed to plotting to detonate a

chemical bomb

on the Amman HQ of the Intelligence Services.

The plot was reportedly hatched by al-Qaeda suspect Abu-Musab al-Zarqawi.

Washington has accused the 38-year-old Jordanian radical of masterminding a string of spectacular suicide bombings in Iraq.

'Deadly gas'

An official involved in the inquiry in Jordan told AFP news agency:

"We found primary materials to make a chemical bomb

which, if it had exploded, would have made nearly 20,000 deaths ... in an area of one square kilometre.

"The target of this bomb was the headquarters of the Intelligence Services," situated on a hill in the western suburb of Amman, he added.

The official said another operation planned by the network was to use "deadly gas against the US embassy and the prime minister's office in Amman ... and other public buildings in Jordan".

'Divine protection'

On Tuesday, in a letter thanking his intelligence chief for uncovering the plot, King Abdullah said Jordan had "lived through an extremely delicate situation in recent days".

"But divine protection has thwarted the plans of these criminals and saved the lives of thousands of civilians in what would have been a crime never before seen in the kingdom," he argued.

The intelligence chief General Saad Khair said the group used religion as a pretext for its actions, but their plans were anything but religious.

He thought that they wanted to attack Jordan's position on upholding Arab causes, especially Palestinian rights. He said mop-up operations were continuing.

Two weeks ago the authorities in Jordan said they had found cars carrying explosives by an underground group planning to attack US interests in the kingdom.

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What remains to be seen is whether these chemicals were part of a Saddam stockpile secreted to Syria, or are conventional chemicals formulated into a bomb.

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[Steve Schacher]

US Dept. Of Defense Newsletter: No Wedding Party, Children's Deaths Indicated, Military Spokesman Says

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By Rudi Williams

American Forces Press Service

WASHINGTON, May 22, 2004 ÔÇô There are no indications a wedding party took place at a remote desert site in western Iraq near the Syrian border where U.S. forces are accused of killing about 20 people May 19, including women and children, a senior military spokesman said today.

"Contrary to media reports, there was no wedding tent and no nuptial tent in the area," Army Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt, deputy operations director for Multinational Force Iraq said during a Baghdad news conference.

"To the allegation that there was a wedding going on, there was no evidence of a wedding," Kimmitt reiterated. "There were no decorations, no musical instruments found, no large quantities of food or leftover servings one would expect from a wedding celebration and no gifts.

"The men were almost all military-aged, no family elders that one would expect to see at an event of this type," he said.

To help substantiate his comments, the general showed reporters slides of items found at the site, which included a significant number of weapons, battery packs used to power improvised explosive devices and a host of other non-wedding-related items.

"What was interesting is that the building seemed to be somewhat of a dormitory," Kimmitt pointed out. "There were more than 300 sets of bedding gear in it and about 100 sets of prepackaged clothing. It's suspected that when foreign fighters come in from other countries they change their clothes into typical Iraqi clothing sets.

"We also found a significant number of identity cards, ID-making machines, the capability to make exit visas for Iraq and a couple of passports," the general noted. "And we found a waist-high medical table for examination and treatment."

Highlighting some other intelligence found at the site, Kimmitt said, "There were a couple of other items we found to be quite interesting. None of the bodies had any identification of any kind ÔÇô no ID cards, no wallets, no pictures. They had watches, and that was about the only way you could identify one person from another.

"We feel that that was an indicator that this was a high-risk meeting of high-level anti-coalition forces," he said. Kimmitt pointed out items found in the victims' pockets, "including a lot of telephone numbers to foreign countries -- Afghanistan, Sudan and a number of others."

He said the site was purported to be a ranch, but there was no indication of ranching activities. "Most homes in remote desert areas support sheep ranching operations," Kimmitt noted. "But there wasn't any evidence of livestock at that location. There were large farm trucks present, but no indication that they'd ever been used for ranching."

"There were also a number of terrorist training manuals (and) suspected forged Iraqi IDs," he said.

Kimmitt said there may have been some kind of celebration going on at the said, but not a wedding. "Bad people have celebrations too," he noted. "Bad people have parties too. It may have been that what was seen as some sort of celebration may have just been a meeting in the middle of the desert by some people that were conducting either criminal or terrorist activities. That's the conclusion we're continuing to draw the more we look at the material, intelligence, post-strike, and follow-up intelligence."

Kimmitt said the coalition believes "a handful of women" could have been present. "We believe six were killed, and we acknowledge that in all of our reports," he said. "But there are still not reports of any children being killed."

Kimmitt said a videotape distributed to the media showing at least a dozen bodies, including small children, wrapped in blankets for burial, being unloaded from a truck doesn't look like the video taken at the site of the attack.

"None of the geography in those videos match the geography of this open area," he noted. "But there are still some inconsistencies. We still remain opened-minded about this. We'll continue to look into everything that's provided to us in the way of evidence."

The general said the area was attacked based on significant multiple sources of intelligence that came in the night of May 18 and morning of May 19. "That caused us to launch a quick-reaction force to that area," he said.

Air and ground element were dispatched to the area. "We got into the area and our soldiers took fire and they responded," Kimmitt explained. "As soon as they finished sweeping the objective, they went back to their bases."

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Could the media have lied to us in their rush to oust President Bush from office?

[LostInSpace]

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Originally posted by Steve Schacher:

Could the media have lied to us in their rush to oust President Bush from office?

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Wouldn't be the first time the media did a gotta have the story first even if it's wrong reporting. When I think of the media, I think of a pack of pigeons feeding. You throw a handful of rice or bread crumbs to them and down they swoop pecking at each other to be first and just gobbling up the food not bothering to even care if the food is poisoned or not.

[jamotto]

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Originally posted by Steve Schacher:

Could the media have lied to us in their rush to oust President Bush from office?

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That article was interesting, however as it was posted by the DoD and written by someone employed by the DoD there might be some "vested bias" in it. If only there was a more independent source to collaborate the story.

I would not be surprised if the media jumped the gun on this story either.

[Steve Schacher]

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If only there was a more independent source to collaborate the story.

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Try this blog: The Wedding Party 2.

I'll check tomorrow if it rolls off and update the link with its archive version.