Iraqis the Only Ones Getting Cheap Gas

[jamotto]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...id=540&ncid=716

[Wody]

Hi,

American gas is extremely cheap too. Here in europe we pay 4-5 times the amount that americans pay, so what you pay for a gallon, is what we have to pay for a quart. So if you do want to save gas, just don't use so much

Greetings,

Wouter Dijkslag

[jamotto]

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Originally posted by Wody:

American gas is extremely cheap too.

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This is relative, you also most likely have a much larger disposable income than I, so for me gas is expensive

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So if you do want to save gas, just don't use so much

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I agree, thats why I walk, carpool, use public transportation, etc.

I mainly posted this b/c I was curious if people think this is good idea to subsidize the gas? There might be some trouble when the subsidy ends. This also cought my eye

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The U.S. government paid even more last year for Iraqis' gasoline ÔÇö between $1.59 and $1.70 per gallon ÔÇö when the imports were contracted to Halliburton, the Texas oil services giant formerly headed by Vice President Dick Cheney.

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[Wody]

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Originally posted by jamotto:

you also most likely have a much larger disposable income than I, so for me gas is expensive

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My income is what the government gives me, because I'm officially handicapped, so it is less then the official minimum required to live, meaning I live off about $10 a week (supposed to be $60-$70, according to them). Also, it's illegal to own a car, because of my situation. And here, public transportation now is more expensive then going by car, so the whole situation is prety grim here too.

But, to me, the whole situation is not just about gas, but about oil, because oil is a finite resource, and we need it for so many other things. Same with metals, I think. So, I think we should use less electricity

On the good side, I got plenty of time to Battlecruiser, all day and all night

Greetings,

Wouter Dijkslag

[Soback]

Hey, take it easy with that battlecruiser all day and all night, remember, save electricity.

[jamotto]

Originally posted by Wody:

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me, the whole situation is not just about gas, but about oil, because oil is a finite resource, and we need it for so many other things. Same with metals, I think. So, I think we should use less electricity

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Or find other sources for it for example solar, wind, geothermal and hydro.

[street228]

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Or find other sources for it for example solar, wind, geothermal and hydro.

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That would be a good idea, except, most local communities(county and state incl.) have regulated such home brew conversions, to the point of ridiculousness.

for example: where I live, the permits for windmills are NOT allowed. Allowable Towers are extremely limited in height, anyway.

Every running waterway within the U.S. is regulated to prevent individuals from installing a hydro-electric generation device of any kind.

Thermal power would be useful in hawaii or alaska, near active volcano vents, or lava flows...but again I dont believe it would be permitted. One must consider the AMERICAN governments persistance in protecting us from ourselves by making all such geographical locations: "GOVERNMENT PROTECTED LANDS" which do NOT allow any civilian occupation.

This only leaves solar power. The expense involved for, and the limited life of, solar cell panals, for the electricity provided, makes it un-economical.

Home built hydrogen defusion is strictly illegal for ANY American civilian. Commercial permits are required for hydrogen storage(extremely expensive regulatory proceedure)

I have Freely given here: a way for anyone in the world, to produce their own electricity, through the use of a well designed hydrogen defuser. (Seperation of water, into the two very volitile components is common knowledge.) Use of the hydrogen to further drive steam driven generators would be the ideal.

One would have to be VERY VERY discrete in their operation of such a system. One small accident would probably put the operator in prison for life..at least..in the UNITED STATES!!(ALL HEIL TO THE ENERGY TYCOON:"GEORGE W BUSH"!!)

[ 06-07-2004, 02:15 PM: Message edited by: street ]

[jamotto]

Originally posted by street:

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One would have to be VERY VERY discrete in their operation of such a system. One small accident would probably put the operator in prison for life..at least..in the UNITED STATES!!(ALL HEIL TO THE ENERGY TYCOON:"GEORGE W BUSH"!!)

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If you had an accident like the one I think your describing, There wouldn't be much of the operator to put in prison :-)

On a more serious note at least there is some progress in the United States. Hybrid fuel cell cars have been available to the public now for at least two years. It is a start no matter how small.

[street228]

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If you had an accident like the one I think your describing, There wouldn't be much of the operator to put in prison :-)

On a more serious note at least there is some progress in the United States. Hybrid fuel cell cars have been available to the public now for at least two years. It is a start no matter how small.

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LOL......I am not referring to a HINDENBURG type accident; though, it would be intelligent to bury your hydrogen storage tanks,(SAFTY is an issue when dealing with hydrogen, Ill grant you that!)

I was merely referring to the fact, that ANY attention brought to one who utilized the SCIENCE, in any way, would bring charges against the individual, which would ultimately land them in prison.

And yes, the hybrid fuel cell used in cars, utilizes the use of hydrogen, but in a VERY small

way. Still: the regulation, is more for CONTROL, than for the purpose of safety. When something is regulated, it removes the cost effectiveness of the science. And also reinforces the REALITY, that we are not TRUELY a FREE people. Personally, this DISGUST me, but who am I ?(answer: "just an American who feels SCIENCE should NOT be owned and controlled by ANY Government, which proclaims its people to be FREE.)

[Guest]

WEll, street, if you are a ham radio operator, any heighth restriction on wind power would be moot.

As a Ham radio operator, federal law allows you a 200 foot tower,aceept in VERY special cases, such as near airports etc.

Also, windmill are not the asme as they used to be, straight windturbine can a does look like a hibred antenna, only the round tube rotates because of wind.

I know about these because a friend of mine has 3 on his tower in Seattle. They look like very thick antennas, and his electricity bill is VERY low, it upsets them something fierce, but they can't show that he is doing anything illegal, like stealing electricity from the grid, because he's not, and he has some old solar panels on the roof of his house, which are hooked up to the system to make it look good, but only generate about 1/8 of what his total power output is.

Being a ham, has it's definite advantages...LOL

Also, in Washington, we are about to pass a law that exempts ALL ham radio operators from their neighborhood CC&R's. Pretty cool!! LOL

I despise CC&R's...

[street228]

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WEll, street, if you are a ham radio operator, any heighth restriction on wind power would be moot.

As a Ham radio operator, federal law allows you a 200 foot tower,aceept in VERY special cases, such as near airports etc.

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local law can ADD restriction to federal law, but cannot extend privledge to supercede federal law.

Sorry, I dont live in ALABAMA farm country. Around here, there is a 35' limit on tower height. In south carolina, where I moved from, there was a 60' limit.(unless of course you wanted to pay $500.00 or more per year for the permit).

I submit, every local is a bit different, but the universal 200', which you speak of, would only be relevant to those living outside MOST developed areas... Besides...It is not the height which is the primary problem with regulation concerning wind mills...but the windmills themselves which are banned, unless you live out in the back forty.

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Also, windmill are not the asme as they used to be, straight windturbine can a does look like a hibred antenna, only the round tube rotates because of wind.

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wind turbines are good, but not nearly as efficiant as the tri-bladed wind systems. Turbines are more acceptable to the public. People have a distinct FEAR of a large blade spinning above their heads..LOL

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Also, in Washington, we are about to pass a law that exempts ALL ham radio operators from their neighborhood CC&R's. Pretty cool!! LOL

I despise CC&R's...

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I wish THAT form of socialist mentality had never been legally allowed in this country, as I also hate them. I have always REFUSED to live in any neighborhood which condoned such.

The biggest problems I have always had, have been with the CITIES. I moved out into the country..lived there for 7 years, then the city expanded its boundries, and started regulating all my projects. Boy was I peeved!!

Cost me about a years salary, just to fight them off, and get grandfather approvals for everything, from my 18' fence,my 80'tower, the hedge sound barrier along the road frontage, my two-lane white rock 200' driveway... to my four-bay free standing carport behind the barn. They tried to condemn my geodesic plexi-glass greenhouse. It was a nightmare!!

The sad part was...My nearest neighbor was almost 1/2 mile away...and I kept getting harrassed by zone compliance A-holes!!

When I moved, and sold the place: I got the last laugh...I sold it to a man who used the grandfather laws, to put in a HUGE steel building for storage of his collection of antique cadillacs. They LOVED that BIG UGLY BUILDING, I'm sure!!!

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