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He has NO point Street, NONE!!!

If a terrorist attack occurred with one of these weapons, you and Kartoffel and Takvah would be the FIRST ones jumping up and down and Screaming at the top of your lungs that Bush and company didnt warn us, and why didn't they.

ADMIT it, because you would.

YOU WOULD BE THE FIRST ONES....

you'd scream and yell and have a cow about how Bush missed it, and why didn't they warn us, and what an awful job that Bush was doing that the terrorists were able to hit us that way and we didn't get warned.

ADMIT it, you would indeed be the first ones to come down on Bush.

You know, and I know it.

Bush can't win with you guys.....

You hate him too much.

Your raving nonsense, JAG. I have NEVER had ANY problem with the fight on the ALQUEDA. My only concern, is the BUSH METHODOLOGY in regard to HIS manipulation, of the public.(i.e. using FEAR to justify ATTACKING AND INVADING to control RESOURCE)

as far as beer coolers...LOL how about shoe boxes...lunch boxes...lockers...car trunks...car doors....car ignition....backpacks...etc. etc. etc. LIVE IN FEAR!!!..I dont care!!!

Use your brain!.....it is more likely a neighbor would cut your throat for the noise of your stereo!!!

I REFUSE TO LIVE IN FEAR, because an organized group ATTACKED the WORLD financial institution within the U.S., and A RADICAL president USED that excuse to manipulate a following!!!

HE HAS A VERY VIABLE POINT...and this has NOTHING TO DO WITH PARTISEN POLITICS, but EVERYTHING to do with METHODOLOGY and ETHICS!!!


And who has asked you to live in fear?

WHO? the Bush administration?

Get a grip Street.

I don't live in fear because I know that we are taking the fight to the terrorists and those that support them.

Terrorists are going to find that they are NOT very popular in very short order.

Afghanistan was the first hit, Iraq was the 2nd, there are others on that list as well, but it looks as though we won't have to lift a finger against them, because the people of those countries are going to deal with it themselves.

Terrorists will soon find themselves with no safe havens at all, and Al Quaeda is in such ruinous shape financially etc, considering we have locked down ALL of their electronic funds, have cut off most if not ALL of their major funding, mainly Saddam, that they are desperate.

The war on terrorism is working, and will continue to work, until we decide to elect some idiot like Kerry who will destroy our military and intelligence apparatus, as he has voted to do time and time again.

Kartoffels Hawkish comment about Kerry had me on the floor.

We are finally getting the drop on these guys and doing some MAJOR damage, and you guys want to forget about it and try something else.

I find it rather disturbing to say the least.

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Originally posted by street:

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He has NO point Street, NONE!!!

If a terrorist attack occurred with one of these weapons, you and Kartoffel and Takvah would be the FIRST ones jumping up and down and Screaming at the top of your lungs that Bush and company didnt warn us, and why didn't they.

ADMIT it, because you would.

YOU WOULD BE THE FIRST ONES....

you'd scream and yell and have a cow about how Bush missed it, and why didn't they warn us, and what an awful job that Bush was doing that the terrorists were able to hit us that way and we didn't get warned.

ADMIT it, you would indeed be the first ones to come down on Bush.

You know, and I know it.

Bush can't win with you guys.....

You hate him too much.

Your raving nonsense, JAG. I have NEVER had ANY problem with the fight on the ALQUEDA. My only concern, is the BUSH METHODOLOGY in regard to HIS manipulation, of the public.(i.e. using FEAR to justify ATTACKING AND INVADING to control RESOURCE)

as far as beer coolers...LOL how about shoe boxes...lunch boxes...lockers...car trunks...car doors....car ignition....backpacks...etc. etc. etc. LIVE IN FEAR!!!..I dont care!!!

Use your brain!.....it is more likely a neighbor would cut your throat for the noise of your stereo!!!

I REFUSE TO LIVE IN FEAR, because an organized group ATTACKED the WORLD financial institution within the U.S., and A RADICAL president USED that excuse to manipulate a following!!!

HE HAS A VERY VIABLE POINT...and this has NOTHING TO DO WITH PARTISEN POLITICS, but EVERYTHING to do with METHODOLOGY and ETHICS!!!


And who has asked you to live in fear?

WHO? the Bush administration?

Get a grip Street.

I don't live in fear because I know that we are taking the fight to the terrorists and those that support them.

Terrorists are going to find that they are NOT very popular in very short order.

Afghanistan was the first hit, Iraq was the 2nd, there are others on that list as well, but it looks as though we won't have to lift a finger against them, because the people of those countries are going to deal with it themselves.

Terrorists will soon find themselves with no safe havens at all, and Al Quaeda is in such ruinous shape financially etc, considering we have locked down ALL of their electronic funds, have cut off most if not ALL of their major funding, mainly Saddam, that they are desperate.

The war on terrorism is working, and will continue to work, until we decide to elect some idiot like Kerry who will destroy our military and intelligence apparatus, as he has voted to do time and time again.

Kartoffels Hawkish comment about Kerry had me on the floor.

We are finally getting the drop on these guys and doing some MAJOR damage, and you guys want to forget about it and try something else.

I find it rather disturbing to say the least.

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Flat tax would be great.

Robbing the treasury and using the US military to carry the money is not cool. You fail to see that several companies in this country are getting very rich off of these wars. You fail to see that the making of money is superceding the quest for justice. You fail to see that the soul of this nation and its righteous might used with reservation are now a fable of old.

Do you know who the people in the PNAC are? Do you know what the PNAC is? Do you know that they have said for YEARS that America needed a Pearl Harbor event to ever exert an imperialism on the world while we have the power to do so?

If you got more money back from the government then you gave SHAME ON YOU. You are worse than that Eldorado driving black, single mother in Harlem collecting welfare and wearing Gucci *snickers*. PAY LIKE THE REST OF US. If the government GAVE you money, you should lose your vote. You should surely be off the Republican voter roll... you must be a damn Democrat. After all only a filthy liberal Democrat would accept money from this government that they hadn't put in! What kind of an American are you? Don't you know your kids are going to be paying for that down the line. Great dad... nice work.

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Flat tax would be great.

Robbing the treasury and using the US military to carry the money is not cool. You fail to see that several companies in this country are getting very rich off of these wars. You fail to see that the making of money is superceding the quest for justice. You fail to see that the soul of this nation and its righteous might used with reservation are now a fable of old.

Do you know who the people in the PNAC are? Do you know what the PNAC is? Do you know that they have said for YEARS that America needed a Pearl Harbor event to ever exert an imperialism on the world while we have the power to do so?

If you got more money back from the government then you gave SHAME ON YOU. You are worse than that Eldorado driving black, single mother in Harlem collecting welfare and wearing Gucci *snickers*. PAY LIKE THE REST OF US. If the government GAVE you money, you should lose your vote. You should surely be off the Republican voter roll... you must be a damn Democrat. After all only a filthy liberal Democrat would accept money from this government that they hadn't put in! What kind of an American are you? Don't you know your kids are going to be paying for that down the line. Great dad... nice work.

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Flat tax would be great.

At least we agree on something.

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Robbing the treasury and using the US military to carry the money is not cool. You fail to see that several companies in this country are getting very rich off of these wars. You fail to see that the making of money is superceding the quest for justice. You fail to see that the soul of this nation and its righteous might used with reservation are now a fable of old.

Yes, I fail to see, because it is TOTAL nonsense..

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Do you know who the people in the PNAC are? Do you know what the PNAC is? Do you know that they have said for YEARS that America needed a Pearl Harbor event to ever exert an imperialism on the world while we have the power to do so?

And again, total nonsense

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If you got more money back from the government then you gave SHAME ON YOU. You are worse than that Eldorado driving black, single mother in Harlem collecting welfare and wearing Gucci *snickers*. PAY LIKE THE REST OF US. If the government GAVE you money, you should lose your vote. You should surely be off the Republican voter roll... you must be a damn Democrat. After all only a filthy liberal Democrat would accept money from this government that they hadn't put in! What kind of an American are you? Don't you know your kids are going to be paying for that down the line. Great dad... nice work.

And again, TOTAL nonsense.....

I have payed and payed and payed, because I made a LOT of money and PAYED a LOT of money in, the government has WASTED most of it. TO get some of MY money back is wonderful, to say the least....

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Originally posted by Takvah:

Flat tax would be great.

At least we agree on something.

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Robbing the treasury and using the US military to carry the money is not cool. You fail to see that several companies in this country are getting very rich off of these wars. You fail to see that the making of money is superceding the quest for justice. You fail to see that the soul of this nation and its righteous might used with reservation are now a fable of old.

Yes, I fail to see, because it is TOTAL nonsense..

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Do you know who the people in the PNAC are? Do you know what the PNAC is? Do you know that they have said for YEARS that America needed a Pearl Harbor event to ever exert an imperialism on the world while we have the power to do so?

And again, total nonsense

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If you got more money back from the government then you gave SHAME ON YOU. You are worse than that Eldorado driving black, single mother in Harlem collecting welfare and wearing Gucci *snickers*. PAY LIKE THE REST OF US. If the government GAVE you money, you should lose your vote. You should surely be off the Republican voter roll... you must be a damn Democrat. After all only a filthy liberal Democrat would accept money from this government that they hadn't put in! What kind of an American are you? Don't you know your kids are going to be paying for that down the line. Great dad... nice work.

And again, TOTAL nonsense.....

I have payed and payed and payed, because I made a LOT of money and PAYED a LOT of money in, the government has WASTED most of it. TO get some of MY money back is wonderful, to say the least....

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Do me a favor and read this.

PNAC why another defense review

Look up the word neocon.

Then look at the list of supporters and signers to the philosophies of the PNAC. Any of the names look familiar? I don't mind America flexing its muscles but when you see that these LUNATICS have gotten everything they have wanted, destabilization to the point where our government act militarily before provocation, enough is enough. Read the list of people onboard here. Any of those names look familiar? How about Khalilzad, former Unocal consultant with Karzai, currently liason to Afghanistan for the US govt., Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Cheney on and on and on. Security through Imperialism... that turned out great for Rome didn't it? Let's sprinkle in a lil fascism... that worked great for Germany and Italy didn't it?

I guess as long as you're getting PAYED by the government and Cheney's Halliburton continues to get PAYED and Chalabi got PAYED $340,000 a month from us to spy on us... what the hell right? Hell we can just hit L. Paul Bremer up for the two billion or so he can't seem to account for. Absolutely disgusting is what this whole war on terror is. If we were safe, if they were doing anything besides lining their pockets I would be throwing roses at these whackos. Instead, we're still vulnerable as hell and talking up exploding coolers.

Nonsense? You're damn straight it's nonsense.

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Do me a favor and read this.

PNAC why another defense review

Look up the word neocon.

Then look at the list of supporters and signers to the philosophies of the PNAC. Any of the names look familiar? I don't mind America flexing its muscles but when you see that these LUNATICS have gotten everything they have wanted, destabilization to the point where our government act militarily before provocation, enough is enough. Read the list of people onboard here. Any of those names look familiar? How about Khalilzad, former Unocal consultant with Karzai, currently liason to Afghanistan for the US govt., Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Cheney on and on and on. Security through Imperialism... that turned out great for Rome didn't it? Let's sprinkle in a lil fascism... that worked great for Germany and Italy didn't it?

I guess as long as you're getting PAYED by the government and Cheney's Halliburton continues to get PAYED and Chalabi got PAYED $340,000 a month from us to spy on us... what the hell right? Hell we can just hit L. Paul Bremer up for the two billion or so he can't seem to account for. Absolutely disgusting is what this whole war on terror is. If we were safe, if they were doing anything besides lining their pockets I would be throwing roses at these whackos. Instead, we're still vulnerable as hell and talking up exploding coolers.

Nonsense? You're damn straight it's nonsense.

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Originally posted by Kartoffel:

his tax cuts for the rich... Need I go on?


Yeah, well, your friend Micheal Moore is among those rich people and I don't hear him complaining about it. Nope, not one peep. Remember, you raise the taxes on the rich you are raising them on Moore also. So yes I say tax them rich people even more and put Moore at the head of that list. In fact, it was probably the tax breaks you are talking about that afforded him to put more content into that drivel of a movie of his. Think about that.

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Originally posted by Kartoffel:

his tax cuts for the rich... Need I go on?


Yeah, well, your friend Micheal Moore is among those rich people and I don't hear him complaining about it. Nope, not one peep. Remember, you raise the taxes on the rich you are raising them on Moore also. So yes I say tax them rich people even more and put Moore at the head of that list. In fact, it was probably the tax breaks you are talking about that afforded him to put more content into that drivel of a movie of his. Think about that.

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Originally posted by Takvah:

PAID?

Do me a favor and read this.

Look up the word neocon.

Then look at the list of supporters and signers to the philosophies of the PNAC. Any of the names look familiar? I don't mind America flexing its muscles but when you see that these LUNATICS have gotten everything they have wanted, destabilization to the point where our government act militarily before provocation, enough is enough. Read the list of people onboard
Any of those names look familiar? How about Khalilzad, former Unocal consultant with Karzai, currently liason to Afghanistan for the US govt., Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Cheney on and on and on. Security through Imperialism... that turned out great for Rome didn't it? Let's sprinkle in a lil fascism... that worked great for Germany and Italy didn't it?

I guess as long as you're getting PAYED by the government and Cheney's Halliburton continues to get PAYED and Chalabi got PAYED $340,000 a month from us to spy on us... what the hell right? Hell we can just hit L. Paul Bremer up for the two billion or so he can't seem to account for. Absolutely disgusting is what this whole war on terror is. If we were safe, if they were doing anything besides lining their pockets I would be throwing roses at these whackos. Instead, we're still vulnerable as hell and talking up exploding coolers.

Nonsense? You're damn straight it's nonsense.

Yeah, I have read it, and would have signed it as well.

It is as Reaganite as they come.

Basically it says that America needs to keep a STRONG military, needs to confront those that are antathema to our democratic values. Socialists, communists, etc. Call these governments as they are, and confront them when necassary.

There is NOTHING imperialist about the organization, it's main thing is America first, PERIOD......

You don't like it, well go cry in your Eurotrash beer, because I couldn't care less what a bunch of socialist light governments think.

France, wannabe has been, Germany, same, Canada, Same, Russia, coming back from total disaster, China? Give me a fricking break.

The rest of these socalled pansies that cave in to terrorists and the PC crap that is going on, I could care less about.

America first, if you attack us, you will die, if you plan to attack us, we will attack you first and make sure that you are incapable of attacking us again, no matter how much you want to.

Harboring and supporting terrorists, you're on the list baby, and we will be checking in on you, in person if necassary, and you will NOT like the results.

Like to be a dictator, GREAT, don't support terrorists and you can do what you want, be decent to your people, and we will never bother you, but support terrorism in any form, and we will come down on you like the wrath of god.

America first baby, that is why I support EVERYTHING that that organization stands for and respect EVERY person that signed that document and will continue to support them with my vote, and my tax dollar if necassary.

The government has 2 major functions as spelled out in the constitution. National defense, and foreign policy. America is ALWAYS first, that is why the government does those things.

THe Democrats are a bunch of apologists because we are the ONLY superpower and don't think it's fair, and the Republicans want to continue to support our national interests around the world and America is ALWAYS first.

That is why I vote Republican, and will ALWAYS vote Republican until the Democrat party self destructs, as it has been, and continues to do.

When a constitutionalist party comes into it's own and can compete with the Republicans, then I will vote constitutionalist. In the meantime, Republicans get my vote, and will continue to get my vote.

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Originally posted by Takvah:

PAID?

Do me a favor and read this.

Look up the word neocon.

Then look at the list of supporters and signers to the philosophies of the PNAC. Any of the names look familiar? I don't mind America flexing its muscles but when you see that these LUNATICS have gotten everything they have wanted, destabilization to the point where our government act militarily before provocation, enough is enough. Read the list of people onboard
Any of those names look familiar? How about Khalilzad, former Unocal consultant with Karzai, currently liason to Afghanistan for the US govt., Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Cheney on and on and on. Security through Imperialism... that turned out great for Rome didn't it? Let's sprinkle in a lil fascism... that worked great for Germany and Italy didn't it?

I guess as long as you're getting PAYED by the government and Cheney's Halliburton continues to get PAYED and Chalabi got PAYED $340,000 a month from us to spy on us... what the hell right? Hell we can just hit L. Paul Bremer up for the two billion or so he can't seem to account for. Absolutely disgusting is what this whole war on terror is. If we were safe, if they were doing anything besides lining their pockets I would be throwing roses at these whackos. Instead, we're still vulnerable as hell and talking up exploding coolers.

Nonsense? You're damn straight it's nonsense.

Yeah, I have read it, and would have signed it as well.

It is as Reaganite as they come.

Basically it says that America needs to keep a STRONG military, needs to confront those that are antathema to our democratic values. Socialists, communists, etc. Call these governments as they are, and confront them when necassary.

There is NOTHING imperialist about the organization, it's main thing is America first, PERIOD......

You don't like it, well go cry in your Eurotrash beer, because I couldn't care less what a bunch of socialist light governments think.

France, wannabe has been, Germany, same, Canada, Same, Russia, coming back from total disaster, China? Give me a fricking break.

The rest of these socalled pansies that cave in to terrorists and the PC crap that is going on, I could care less about.

America first, if you attack us, you will die, if you plan to attack us, we will attack you first and make sure that you are incapable of attacking us again, no matter how much you want to.

Harboring and supporting terrorists, you're on the list baby, and we will be checking in on you, in person if necassary, and you will NOT like the results.

Like to be a dictator, GREAT, don't support terrorists and you can do what you want, be decent to your people, and we will never bother you, but support terrorism in any form, and we will come down on you like the wrath of god.

America first baby, that is why I support EVERYTHING that that organization stands for and respect EVERY person that signed that document and will continue to support them with my vote, and my tax dollar if necassary.

The government has 2 major functions as spelled out in the constitution. National defense, and foreign policy. America is ALWAYS first, that is why the government does those things.

THe Democrats are a bunch of apologists because we are the ONLY superpower and don't think it's fair, and the Republicans want to continue to support our national interests around the world and America is ALWAYS first.

That is why I vote Republican, and will ALWAYS vote Republican until the Democrat party self destructs, as it has been, and continues to do.

When a constitutionalist party comes into it's own and can compete with the Republicans, then I will vote constitutionalist. In the meantime, Republicans get my vote, and will continue to get my vote.

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Eliminiting the dividend tax - This only seriously benefitted Wall Street traders, & such, those who have large amounts invested.

Many more people today have money invested in the market via their 401(k)'s and mutual funds. We discussed last year (or was it the year before) how the dividend tax is really double taxation. Perhaps a better approach is to eliminate the corporate tax and keep the dividend tax since corporations are really just collections of individual owners. Besides, the corporations just pass the tax onto the consumer anyway, resulting in higher prices.

Drop the corporate income tax, keep the dividend tax, lower prices and everyone (investors and consumers) benefits.

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Bush's tax cuts make the rich richer, while the middle and lower classes get poorer. I can't make it any simpler then this.

There is the old saying that you never get hired by a poor person.

If the rich get richer, what do they do with all those stockpiles of money? Do they buy 5 "family" SUVs and a personal 757 like John Kerry? No, the rich put that money back into the economy just like the poor do, only their money goes back in the form of capital investment, not consumer expense. Capital investment is converting one asset into another. Consumer expense is trading income for short-term consumables.

Who's money better serves the macro-economy in the long run?

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Eliminiting the dividend tax - This only seriously benefitted Wall Street traders, & such, those who have large amounts invested.

Many more people today have money invested in the market via their 401(k)'s and mutual funds. We discussed last year (or was it the year before) how the dividend tax is really double taxation. Perhaps a better approach is to eliminate the corporate tax and keep the dividend tax since corporations are really just collections of individual owners. Besides, the corporations just pass the tax onto the consumer anyway, resulting in higher prices.

Drop the corporate income tax, keep the dividend tax, lower prices and everyone (investors and consumers) benefits.

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Bush's tax cuts make the rich richer, while the middle and lower classes get poorer. I can't make it any simpler then this.

There is the old saying that you never get hired by a poor person.

If the rich get richer, what do they do with all those stockpiles of money? Do they buy 5 "family" SUVs and a personal 757 like John Kerry? No, the rich put that money back into the economy just like the poor do, only their money goes back in the form of capital investment, not consumer expense. Capital investment is converting one asset into another. Consumer expense is trading income for short-term consumables.

Who's money better serves the macro-economy in the long run?

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Here is a LINK, all you "BUSH-WAR-ITES" will enjoy!!.

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The high court ruled 6-3 that Louisiana-born detainee Yaser Esam Hamdi can continue to argue for his freedom in court, repudiating administration arguments that presidential say-so was enough to keep Hamdi locked up without charges or trial.

"A state of war is not a blank check for the president when it comes to the rights of the nation's citizens," Justice Sandra Day O'Connor wrote.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/06/29/scotus.e...t.ap/index.html

Just WANTED to show you something, which MANY of my friends, and I are celebrating!!!

It has been a long hard fight, but.....

WE WON!!!!

DONT EVER, underestimate what concerned CITIZENS can accomplish, within our GOVERNMENT!! Your BUSH, is NO God, and WILL, in FACT be STOPPED.!!!

[ 06-29-2004, 06:01 PM: Message edited by: street ]

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Here is a LINK, all you "BUSH-WAR-ITES" will enjoy!!.

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The high court ruled 6-3 that Louisiana-born detainee Yaser Esam Hamdi can continue to argue for his freedom in court, repudiating administration arguments that presidential say-so was enough to keep Hamdi locked up without charges or trial.

"A state of war is not a blank check for the president when it comes to the rights of the nation's citizens," Justice Sandra Day O'Connor wrote.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/06/29/scotus.e...t.ap/index.html

Just WANTED to show you something, which MANY of my friends, and I are celebrating!!!

It has been a long hard fight, but.....

WE WON!!!!

DONT EVER, underestimate what concerned CITIZENS can accomplish, within our GOVERNMENT!! Your BUSH, is NO God, and WILL, in FACT be STOPPED.!!!

[ 06-29-2004, 06:01 PM: Message edited by: street ]

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Well street, while you're celebrating that, the rest of us will celebrate something worth celebrating: freeing the Iraqi people from living in fear of a murdering and oppressive regime.

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Well street, while you're celebrating that, the rest of us will celebrate something worth celebrating: freeing the Iraqi people from living in fear of a murdering and oppressive regime.

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Well street, while you're celebrating that, the rest of us will celebrate something worth celebrating: freeing the Iraqi people from living in fear of a murdering and oppressive regime.

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I have NEVER felt, it was bad to put down a bad dictator,(LETS FREE CHINA, HOW ABOUT NORTH KOREA? ...lets see..how about VIETNAM???(private joke here)...LOL) or to free people FREE anyone from a hostile DICTATOR, but to be perfectly honest, I think your celebration is hypocritic.

WE DID NOT go into IRAQ to FREE ANYONE, that was purely a fallback position,(smartest move BUSH has made, concerning this war)..and even if you will not admit it, I believe you know it, as does the REST of the country.

WHAT I am celebrating...IS winning a FIGHT FOR TRUE FEEDOM AND TRUE DEMOCRACY, and The PRINCIPLES which THIS country was FOUNDED!!!!

A fight AGAINST socialistic and communistic ideology, which is being PROMOTED by YOUR OWN PRESIDENT....and you YET, refuse to admit, he lies to you.

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Well street, while you're celebrating that, the rest of us will celebrate something worth celebrating: freeing the Iraqi people from living in fear of a murdering and oppressive regime.

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I have NEVER felt, it was bad to put down a bad dictator,(LETS FREE CHINA, HOW ABOUT NORTH KOREA? ...lets see..how about VIETNAM???(private joke here)...LOL) or to free people FREE anyone from a hostile DICTATOR, but to be perfectly honest, I think your celebration is hypocritic.

WE DID NOT go into IRAQ to FREE ANYONE, that was purely a fallback position,(smartest move BUSH has made, concerning this war)..and even if you will not admit it, I believe you know it, as does the REST of the country.

WHAT I am celebrating...IS winning a FIGHT FOR TRUE FEEDOM AND TRUE DEMOCRACY, and The PRINCIPLES which THIS country was FOUNDED!!!!

A fight AGAINST socialistic and communistic ideology, which is being PROMOTED by YOUR OWN PRESIDENT....and you YET, refuse to admit, he lies to you.

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