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I saw it.

I wasn't planning on voting for George before I saw it. And still don't plan on voting for George come November.

In fact, I'm gonna get even. I'm gonna vote for Clinton. Again!!

EDIT: Snipped from my other thread.

I mean, the ENTIRE movie, from its conception right down to its marketing, was based on controversy. Watching it, you can't help but see this quite obvious in most of the holes (most of which Scrivener pointed out) right through the movie.

At least they got one thing right: If you went in not liking Bush, you're not going to come out liking him any more or less. For me, it played like an ill conceived episode of Nova or Discovery channel; though I was probably better off watching that croc grabbing jackass.

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I saw it.

I wasn't planning on voting for George before I saw it. And still don't plan on voting for George come November.

In fact, I'm gonna get even. I'm gonna vote for Clinton. Again!!

EDIT: Snipped from my other thread.

I mean, the ENTIRE movie, from its conception right down to its marketing, was based on controversy. Watching it, you can't help but see this quite obvious in most of the holes (most of which Scrivener pointed out) right through the movie.

At least they got one thing right: If you went in not liking Bush, you're not going to come out liking him any more or less. For me, it played like an ill conceived episode of Nova or Discovery channel; though I was probably better off watching that croc grabbing jackass.

[ 06-28-2004, 07:05 PM: Message edited by: Supreme Cmdr ]

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Originally posted by Supreme Cmdr:

In fact, I'm gonna get even. I'm gonna vote for Clinton. Again!!


Why not vote for someone who will not cause so much controversy or piss anyone off while in office and that is Ronald Reagan in fact he won't do a damn thing I can tell you that for certain.

[ 06-28-2004, 09:23 PM: Message edited by: LostInSpace ]

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Originally posted by Supreme Cmdr:

In fact, I'm gonna get even. I'm gonna vote for Clinton. Again!!


Why not vote for someone who will not cause so much controversy or piss anyone off while in office and that is Ronald Reagan in fact he won't do a damn thing I can tell you that for certain.

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From my favorite columnist Mark Steyn, here's his take on the movie (he's a conservative columnist and a movie critic): The importance of being Michael Moore

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Excited about Fahrenheit 9/11? It's the Palme d'Or-winning and soon-to-be Oscar-winning documentary from average blue-collar multi-millionaire Michael Moore, and it opens in Britain next week. I saw it over the weekend on my side of the Atlantic, with an audience comprised wholly of informed, intelligent sophisticates.

I knew they were informed, intelligent sophisticates because they howled with laughter at every joke about what a bozo Bush is. They split their sides during the patriotic ballad ÔÇô eagles soaring, etc ÔÇô composed and sung by John Ashcroft, the famously sinister US Attorney-General. Moore reveals ÔÇô and if you feel that knowing the plot would spoil the movie, please skip to the next paragraph ÔÇô that Bush is a privileged simpleton under the control of war-crazed Big Oil interests who arranged to have the 2000 election stolen for him. I hadn't heard that before, had you?

Once Moore gets past his recounting of the Florida recount, I was pleasantly surprised by how much I agreed with in the movie. For example, he's very hard on the Saudis, and the unique access to the Bush family enjoyed by their oleaginous ambassador in Washington, Prince Bandar. He's also very mocking of the absurdities of post-9/11 airport security, alighting on a poor mom forced to drink a beaker of her own breast milk in front of passengers before boarding in order to demonstrate the liquid wasn't anything incendiary.

As we left, the couple ahead of me said they thought Bush would have a hard job responding to these shocking revelations. I didn't like to point out they could have heard about all this stuff years ago just by reading yours truly. I mentioned the breast-milk incident in this very space on August 10, 2002. I called for Prince Bandar to be booted back to Saudi in a Spectator column from November 2002, and I've been urging the dismantling of the kingdom ÔÇô Washington's out-of-control Frankensaud monster ÔÇô for almost three years now, since within a month of 9/11.

So in theory I ought to welcome Michael Moore as a comrade in arms. But the trouble with Fahrenheit 9/11 is that you don't come away thinking about the Saudis or America's useless bureaucracy, you come away laughing at Bush.

And, if feeling snobbishly superior to the President isn't your bag, what's left is an incoherent bore. Moore follows his GUT, by which I mean his Grand Universal Theory: Bush is to blame for everything. Because of Bush, the Saudis secretly run US policy. Because of Bush, the Taliban were in bed with Texas energy executives. Because of Bush, the Taliban got toppled.

Whoa, hold up a minute, I thought he was all pals with the Taliban. The Saudis certainly were, which is why they opposed the liberation of Afghanistan. But by now Moore's moved on to pointing out that Bush's Afghan stooge Hamid Karzai used to work for the Texas energy company panting for that big Afghan gas pipeline.

But hang on, I thought the Texan energy guys already had the Taliban in their pockets and were funded by the Saudis. "Connecting the dots" is all very well, but not when you've got more dots in your picture than Seurat.

Bush has always been the issue for Moore. On September 11 itself, his only gripe was that the terrorists had targeted New York and DC instead of Texas or, indeed, my beloved New Hampshire: "They did not deserve to die. If someone did this to get back at Bush, then they did so by killing thousands of people who DID NOT VOTE for him! Boston, New York, DC and the plane's destination of California ÔÇô these were places that voted AGAINST Bush!"

The fellows at the controls of those planes were training for 9/11 when Clinton was president and Gore was ahead in the polls, and they'd have still been in the cockpit had Ralph Nader been elected. Though Mohammed Atta took flying lessons in Florida, he apparently wasn't as exercised about its notorious hanging chads as Michael Moore. Mr Moore is guilty of what I believe psychologists call "projection".

The "Why didn't you terrorists kill the Bush voters?" line is not reprised in the movie, but the strange preoccupations it betrays drive the entire picture. Here's the way it works: if Bush is wearing the blue boxer shorts, they're a suspicious personal gift from Crown Prince Abdullah. If Bush is wearing the red boxer shorts, it's a conspiracy to distract public attention from the blue ones he was given by Crown Prince Abdullah. If he's wearing no boxer shorts, it's because he's so dumb he can't find his underwear in the morning.

So, shortly after 9/11, Moore wrote that footage of one of the World Trade Centre planes showed that it was being trailed by an F-16 ÔÇô ie, the government could have shot it down but chose not to, so it could hit all those Al Gore voters. Imagine if, on September 11, the USAF had blown four passenger jets to kingdom come. Moore's film would be filled with poignant home movies of final Christmases and birthday parties and exploitative footage of anguished parents going to Washington to demand the truth about what happened that day and an end to the lame Bush spin about "threats" to public buildings.

Midway through the picture, a "peace" activist provides a perfect distillation of its argument. He recalls a conversation with an acquaintance, who observed, "bin Laden's a real ******* for killing all those people". "Yeah," says the "pacifist", "but he'll never be as big an ******* as Bush." That's who Michael Moore makes films for: those sophisticates who know that, no matter how many people bin Laden kills, in the assholian stakes he'll always come a distant second to Bush.

I can understand the point of being Michael Moore: there's a lot of money in it. What's harder to figure out is the point of being a devoted follower of Michael Moore. Apparently, the sophisticated, cynical intellectual class is so naïve it'll fall for any old hooey peddled by a preening opportunist burlesque act. If the Saudis were smart, they'd have bought him up years ago, established his anti-Saudi credentials, and then used him to promote the defeat of their nemesis Bush.

Hmm. Maybe they don't need to. Stick him in a headdress and he looks like King Fahd's brother. All I'm saying is connect the dots.

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From my favorite columnist Mark Steyn, here's his take on the movie (he's a conservative columnist and a movie critic): The importance of being Michael Moore

quote:

Excited about Fahrenheit 9/11? It's the Palme d'Or-winning and soon-to-be Oscar-winning documentary from average blue-collar multi-millionaire Michael Moore, and it opens in Britain next week. I saw it over the weekend on my side of the Atlantic, with an audience comprised wholly of informed, intelligent sophisticates.

I knew they were informed, intelligent sophisticates because they howled with laughter at every joke about what a bozo Bush is. They split their sides during the patriotic ballad ÔÇô eagles soaring, etc ÔÇô composed and sung by John Ashcroft, the famously sinister US Attorney-General. Moore reveals ÔÇô and if you feel that knowing the plot would spoil the movie, please skip to the next paragraph ÔÇô that Bush is a privileged simpleton under the control of war-crazed Big Oil interests who arranged to have the 2000 election stolen for him. I hadn't heard that before, had you?

Once Moore gets past his recounting of the Florida recount, I was pleasantly surprised by how much I agreed with in the movie. For example, he's very hard on the Saudis, and the unique access to the Bush family enjoyed by their oleaginous ambassador in Washington, Prince Bandar. He's also very mocking of the absurdities of post-9/11 airport security, alighting on a poor mom forced to drink a beaker of her own breast milk in front of passengers before boarding in order to demonstrate the liquid wasn't anything incendiary.

As we left, the couple ahead of me said they thought Bush would have a hard job responding to these shocking revelations. I didn't like to point out they could have heard about all this stuff years ago just by reading yours truly. I mentioned the breast-milk incident in this very space on August 10, 2002. I called for Prince Bandar to be booted back to Saudi in a Spectator column from November 2002, and I've been urging the dismantling of the kingdom ÔÇô Washington's out-of-control Frankensaud monster ÔÇô for almost three years now, since within a month of 9/11.

So in theory I ought to welcome Michael Moore as a comrade in arms. But the trouble with Fahrenheit 9/11 is that you don't come away thinking about the Saudis or America's useless bureaucracy, you come away laughing at Bush.

And, if feeling snobbishly superior to the President isn't your bag, what's left is an incoherent bore. Moore follows his GUT, by which I mean his Grand Universal Theory: Bush is to blame for everything. Because of Bush, the Saudis secretly run US policy. Because of Bush, the Taliban were in bed with Texas energy executives. Because of Bush, the Taliban got toppled.

Whoa, hold up a minute, I thought he was all pals with the Taliban. The Saudis certainly were, which is why they opposed the liberation of Afghanistan. But by now Moore's moved on to pointing out that Bush's Afghan stooge Hamid Karzai used to work for the Texas energy company panting for that big Afghan gas pipeline.

But hang on, I thought the Texan energy guys already had the Taliban in their pockets and were funded by the Saudis. "Connecting the dots" is all very well, but not when you've got more dots in your picture than Seurat.

Bush has always been the issue for Moore. On September 11 itself, his only gripe was that the terrorists had targeted New York and DC instead of Texas or, indeed, my beloved New Hampshire: "They did not deserve to die. If someone did this to get back at Bush, then they did so by killing thousands of people who DID NOT VOTE for him! Boston, New York, DC and the plane's destination of California ÔÇô these were places that voted AGAINST Bush!"

The fellows at the controls of those planes were training for 9/11 when Clinton was president and Gore was ahead in the polls, and they'd have still been in the cockpit had Ralph Nader been elected. Though Mohammed Atta took flying lessons in Florida, he apparently wasn't as exercised about its notorious hanging chads as Michael Moore. Mr Moore is guilty of what I believe psychologists call "projection".

The "Why didn't you terrorists kill the Bush voters?" line is not reprised in the movie, but the strange preoccupations it betrays drive the entire picture. Here's the way it works: if Bush is wearing the blue boxer shorts, they're a suspicious personal gift from Crown Prince Abdullah. If Bush is wearing the red boxer shorts, it's a conspiracy to distract public attention from the blue ones he was given by Crown Prince Abdullah. If he's wearing no boxer shorts, it's because he's so dumb he can't find his underwear in the morning.

So, shortly after 9/11, Moore wrote that footage of one of the World Trade Centre planes showed that it was being trailed by an F-16 ÔÇô ie, the government could have shot it down but chose not to, so it could hit all those Al Gore voters. Imagine if, on September 11, the USAF had blown four passenger jets to kingdom come. Moore's film would be filled with poignant home movies of final Christmases and birthday parties and exploitative footage of anguished parents going to Washington to demand the truth about what happened that day and an end to the lame Bush spin about "threats" to public buildings.

Midway through the picture, a "peace" activist provides a perfect distillation of its argument. He recalls a conversation with an acquaintance, who observed, "bin Laden's a real ******* for killing all those people". "Yeah," says the "pacifist", "but he'll never be as big an ******* as Bush." That's who Michael Moore makes films for: those sophisticates who know that, no matter how many people bin Laden kills, in the assholian stakes he'll always come a distant second to Bush.

I can understand the point of being Michael Moore: there's a lot of money in it. What's harder to figure out is the point of being a devoted follower of Michael Moore. Apparently, the sophisticated, cynical intellectual class is so naïve it'll fall for any old hooey peddled by a preening opportunist burlesque act. If the Saudis were smart, they'd have bought him up years ago, established his anti-Saudi credentials, and then used him to promote the defeat of their nemesis Bush.

Hmm. Maybe they don't need to. Stick him in a headdress and he looks like King Fahd's brother. All I'm saying is connect the dots.

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I saw the movie and reacted along with the audience, being the good socialist that I am. Not that all the audience were socialists, but a guy can dream, eh? I will confess and this is BIG....drum roll please.... I WILL BE VOTING FOR JOHN KERRY AFTER SEEING THIS MOVIE. and I don't say that lightly. even jaguar knows that a socialist would NEVER vote for kerry, after all he's for sending more troops to iraq. this film drove me over the edge and i will vote for kerry and encourage all my green party socialist comrades to see this movie and vote for kerry too because this country cannot continue on it's path of destruction... but i guarantee this is the LAST time i will EVER vote for a democrat ...i'm disgusted with myself

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I saw the movie and reacted along with the audience, being the good socialist that I am. Not that all the audience were socialists, but a guy can dream, eh? I will confess and this is BIG....drum roll please.... I WILL BE VOTING FOR JOHN KERRY AFTER SEEING THIS MOVIE. and I don't say that lightly. even jaguar knows that a socialist would NEVER vote for kerry, after all he's for sending more troops to iraq. this film drove me over the edge and i will vote for kerry and encourage all my green party socialist comrades to see this movie and vote for kerry too because this country cannot continue on it's path of destruction... but i guarantee this is the LAST time i will EVER vote for a democrat ...i'm disgusted with myself

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El Che, you need help...

Moore's movie was nothing but propaganda. No I havn't seen it. But I have heard enough about it. Like impling Bush is incompetent for sitting there for several minutes after he hears about the muslim attacks on 9/11. What was he supposed to do, leap up and dash outside, for what? And then there is supposedly this seen where, in Iraq, mothers are happily washing there children in a beautiful, happy town. Everything is perfect. Then the big, bad IMPERIALIST BRUTAL Americans come crashing into to town and kill everyone, for no reason really. What they didn't show is the poverty, secret police, and torture rooms that existed to to Sadaam. Does ANYONE actually beleive the BS?

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El Che, you need help...

Moore's movie was nothing but propaganda. No I havn't seen it. But I have heard enough about it. Like impling Bush is incompetent for sitting there for several minutes after he hears about the muslim attacks on 9/11. What was he supposed to do, leap up and dash outside, for what? And then there is supposedly this seen where, in Iraq, mothers are happily washing there children in a beautiful, happy town. Everything is perfect. Then the big, bad IMPERIALIST BRUTAL Americans come crashing into to town and kill everyone, for no reason really. What they didn't show is the poverty, secret police, and torture rooms that existed to to Sadaam. Does ANYONE actually beleive the BS?

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Originally posted by shasla5:

Moore's movie was nothing but propaganda. No I havn't seen it. But I have heard enough about it.

You have got to be kidding me. When you see it, make your comments otherwise your opinions are hearsay. In otherwords, worthless.

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Originally posted by shasla5:

Moore's movie was nothing but propaganda. No I havn't seen it. But I have heard enough about it.

You have got to be kidding me. When you see it, make your comments otherwise your opinions are hearsay. In otherwords, worthless.

Thanks

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Originally posted by Takvah:

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Originally posted by shasla5:

Moore's movie was nothing but propaganda. No I havn't seen it. But I have heard enough about it.

You have got to be kidding me. When you see it, make your comments otherwise your opinions are hearsay. In otherwords, worthless.

Thanks


BS, THere are ENOUGH informed people that have written about this movie, critiqued this movie, and basically torn it to shreds, that have put thier writings on the web, where a person can be MORE informed then some left winger who actually saw it.

I will NOT waste my valuable time on such garbage, I have the opinions and corrections of EXPERTS, to tell me that I don't want to see it, Don't need to see it, and that it is indeed one of the biggest pieces of propaganda films since Germanies films of WWII.

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Originally posted by Takvah:

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Originally posted by shasla5:

Moore's movie was nothing but propaganda. No I havn't seen it. But I have heard enough about it.

You have got to be kidding me. When you see it, make your comments otherwise your opinions are hearsay. In otherwords, worthless.

Thanks


BS, THere are ENOUGH informed people that have written about this movie, critiqued this movie, and basically torn it to shreds, that have put thier writings on the web, where a person can be MORE informed then some left winger who actually saw it.

I will NOT waste my valuable time on such garbage, I have the opinions and corrections of EXPERTS, to tell me that I don't want to see it, Don't need to see it, and that it is indeed one of the biggest pieces of propaganda films since Germanies films of WWII.

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Wow really? Jaguar this is in keeping with your typical argument, "Fox news told me so!" Your informed sources are a laughing stock. Is this movie propaganda... sure... just like the "mushroom clouds", "dirty bombs" and "remotely operated drones". It's all relative. As for people making "informed" decisions on the words of others... I find that laughable as well. If people had your approach to the world, as in let someone else see it and tell me what it is... I wonder how many of us would be playing Battlecruiser games. They were savaged in the press by people that never bothered to play them for the most part... sounding familiar? Thank God I don't let people tell me what I like and don't like.

Your argument just goes to prove my point where it concerns you... you swallow the hook, the line, the rod... and now ladies and gentlemen the entire boat. Bravo!

Cheers.

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Wow really? Jaguar this is in keeping with your typical argument, "Fox news told me so!" Your informed sources are a laughing stock. Is this movie propaganda... sure... just like the "mushroom clouds", "dirty bombs" and "remotely operated drones". It's all relative. As for people making "informed" decisions on the words of others... I find that laughable as well. If people had your approach to the world, as in let someone else see it and tell me what it is... I wonder how many of us would be playing Battlecruiser games. They were savaged in the press by people that never bothered to play them for the most part... sounding familiar? Thank God I don't let people tell me what I like and don't like.

Your argument just goes to prove my point where it concerns you... you swallow the hook, the line, the rod... and now ladies and gentlemen the entire boat. Bravo!

Cheers.

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Jaguar, I can't believe what I'm reading here. Despite our political differences, I have the utmost respect for you....but this is unbelievable. You're forming an opinion on something you haven't even SEEN? I'm a left winger who saw it, and enjoyed it immensely...to the point that in a matter of two hours it changed my vote from Nader/socialist candidate to Kerry. I was certain that you would go and see it, being the fellow political junkie that you are. I watch Hannity and Colmes on my TV. I don't hear or read about their show the next day. I listen to Rush Limbaugh (big fat idiot) on my radio in the car. I don't check the "left-wing" websites to find out what Rush talked about today. I stomach all of this right-wing crap so that I can form an opinion of my own based on all the information that I take in. And I thought you did the same.

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Jaguar, I can't believe what I'm reading here. Despite our political differences, I have the utmost respect for you....but this is unbelievable. You're forming an opinion on something you haven't even SEEN? I'm a left winger who saw it, and enjoyed it immensely...to the point that in a matter of two hours it changed my vote from Nader/socialist candidate to Kerry. I was certain that you would go and see it, being the fellow political junkie that you are. I watch Hannity and Colmes on my TV. I don't hear or read about their show the next day. I listen to Rush Limbaugh (big fat idiot) on my radio in the car. I don't check the "left-wing" websites to find out what Rush talked about today. I stomach all of this right-wing crap so that I can form an opinion of my own based on all the information that I take in. And I thought you did the same.

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Originally posted by El Che:

Jaguar, I can't believe what I'm reading here. Despite our political differences, I have the utmost respect for you....but this is unbelievable. You're forming an opinion on something you haven't even SEEN? I'm a left winger who saw it, and enjoyed it immensely...to the point that in a matter of two hours it changed my vote from Nader/socialist candidate to Kerry. I was certain that you would go and see it, being the fellow political junkie that you are. I watch Hannity and Colmes on my TV. I don't hear or read about their show the next day. I listen to Rush Limbaugh (big fat idiot) on my radio in the car. I don't check the "left-wing" websites to find out what Rush talked about today. I stomach all of this right-wing crap so that I can form an opinion of my own based on all the information that I take in. And I thought you did the same.

El CHe, I do NOT respect Michael Moore, I will not support him with my money.

I saw Bowling for Columbine, and it was the BIGGEST load of crap that I have EVER seen.

The man is a propagandist, end of story, and I will NOT support his propaganda and LYING, by actually spending my hard earned money, and waste my VALUABLE time, watching such crap.

I have read more about this movie then probably most people, I could probably go through the entire script, and tell you where EVERY lie, mosinformation and piece of propaganda that is in it.

BUT, I refuse to support Michael Moore in ANY monetary way.

I probably read MORE websites then you even know exist, I also talk to more people that actually KNOW about this stuff. Work for agencies etc, that KNOW the actualy happenings and the TRUTH....

Whereas you get ALL of your information 2nd, 3rd hand, I get a good portion of my info from the source, so to speak.

I tire of you guys and your, You gotta see it to have an opinion, BS, I can practically describe the entire movie, but I am Still NOT going to spend money, NOR my time, to see this POS propaganda film.

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Originally posted by El Che:

Jaguar, I can't believe what I'm reading here. Despite our political differences, I have the utmost respect for you....but this is unbelievable. You're forming an opinion on something you haven't even SEEN? I'm a left winger who saw it, and enjoyed it immensely...to the point that in a matter of two hours it changed my vote from Nader/socialist candidate to Kerry. I was certain that you would go and see it, being the fellow political junkie that you are. I watch Hannity and Colmes on my TV. I don't hear or read about their show the next day. I listen to Rush Limbaugh (big fat idiot) on my radio in the car. I don't check the "left-wing" websites to find out what Rush talked about today. I stomach all of this right-wing crap so that I can form an opinion of my own based on all the information that I take in. And I thought you did the same.

El CHe, I do NOT respect Michael Moore, I will not support him with my money.

I saw Bowling for Columbine, and it was the BIGGEST load of crap that I have EVER seen.

The man is a propagandist, end of story, and I will NOT support his propaganda and LYING, by actually spending my hard earned money, and waste my VALUABLE time, watching such crap.

I have read more about this movie then probably most people, I could probably go through the entire script, and tell you where EVERY lie, mosinformation and piece of propaganda that is in it.

BUT, I refuse to support Michael Moore in ANY monetary way.

I probably read MORE websites then you even know exist, I also talk to more people that actually KNOW about this stuff. Work for agencies etc, that KNOW the actualy happenings and the TRUTH....

Whereas you get ALL of your information 2nd, 3rd hand, I get a good portion of my info from the source, so to speak.

I tire of you guys and your, You gotta see it to have an opinion, BS, I can practically describe the entire movie, but I am Still NOT going to spend money, NOR my time, to see this POS propaganda film.

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Originally posted by Takvah:

Wow really? Jaguar this is in keeping with your typical argument, "Fox news told me so!" Your informed sources are a laughing stock. Is this movie propaganda... sure... just like the "mushroom clouds", "dirty bombs" and "remotely operated drones". It's all relative. As for people making "informed" decisions on the words of others... I find that laughable as well. If people had your approach to the world, as in let someone else see it and tell me what it is... I wonder how many of us would be playing Battlecruiser games. They were savaged in the press by people that never bothered to play them for the most part... sounding familiar? Thank God I don't let people tell me what I like and don't like.

Your argument just goes to prove my point where it concerns you... you swallow the hook, the line, the rod... and now ladies and gentlemen the entire boat. Bravo!

Cheers.

Yes indeed, I see you ignore the fact that the Yellow Cake is INDEED TRUE.... Not surprising.

The remote controlled planes, they exist, and they have crop duster attachments on them, or had, we have destroyed them. ANd the DIrty Bombs, the stuff the idiot was going to use would not have done ANY harm at all. Uranium? I could bathe in pure Uranium and have no ill effects, but there are plenty of LETHALLY radioactive materials that could be used, and ate discussed by the terrorist organizations out there.

Ignorance must be bliss.....

You seem to be very blissful.....

Fiddling while Rome burns. ignore that flame, it really doesn't exist, it's just propaganda from the Bush administration.... As it burns 90 feet above and behind you.

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