And Kerry is better or different than Bush how?

LostInSpace · July 1, 2004

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Originally posted by street:

1:Kerry is LEVEL headed; opposed to BUSH's example of irrational, and reactionary responses.

2:Kerry is a REAL war experienced VET, which has seen ENOUGH of it FIRST HAND, to KNOW the consequence of his action(regardless of the bush indoctinational propaghanda);

1: And, pray tell, what do you base this assumption on.

Guide to Kerry's Voting Record (easy to read version)

"New York Times

By DAVID BROOKS

Published: February 7, 2004

John Kerry has been railing against the special interests, and I don't think that's very nice because it implies that some people's interests are not so special. I like to think that everybody's interests are special in their own way. What's more, I think Kerry knows this, because if you look over his long career, you see that he loves all our interests, big and small, near or far. For example, a Chinese businesswoman named Liu Chaoying dreamed of having her company listed on a U.S. stock exchange. That's certainly a special dream. Maybe as a little girl she would come home from school, gather up her little dollies and tell them about her dream of ringing the bell to start the trading day, or of having little Lucite tombstones on her desk to mark her mergers and acquisitions. Maybe some of the other little girls in school told her she'd never have a company on a U.S. exchange, because you know how cruel little kids can be. But she had an interest, and to her it was the most specialest interest in the world. And she kept at it. And that cute little girl grew up to become a lieutenant colonel in China's People's Liberation Army, which is a very special army, even measured against the armies of other human rights-violating dictatorships. And what's more, she had a $300,000 bank account with funds supplied by the head of Chinese intelligence, which is certainly quite special indeed. And Liu came to America in search of her dream, for this is the nation of dreams. And she went to see a most special man named Johnny Chung. And in July 1996, according to Newsweek, Chung took Liu to see his special friend John Kerry about her dream, and Kerry recognized its specialness. So his aides faxed over a letter to the S.E.C. about the dream, and the very next day Liu and Chung had a private briefing with a senior S.E.C. official about making her special dream come true.

And then a few weeks after that, Johnny Chung threw a fund-raiser for John Kerry in Beverly Hills. And John Kerry came away with $10,000 in contributions, and I like to think they were very special contributions. I like to think they were written on special designer checks, maybe with rainbows or kittens or Chinese long-range missile designs shaded on the back, because special dreams deserve special checks, and when a man as special as John Kerry takes up an interest, I think that makes it a special interest all by itself. Liu Chaoying's interest was not the only interest John Kerry took a special interest in. According to The Associated Press, Kerry took a special interest in the insurance giant American International Group. When Senator John McCain proposed legislation that would have ended a federal contracting loophole benefiting A.I.G., Kerry did not look away, as others might have done. A loophole may not seem like much to you and me, but to A.I.G. it was a very special loophole the cuddly kind of loophole you can hold under the blankets and tell your secrets to late at night. And according to The A.P., John Kerry preserved the little loophole. And by

sheer coincidence, A.I.G. donated $30,000 to help start Kerry's presidential campaign. While sitting on the commerce and finance committees, John Kerry has seen many interests, and you could forgive him if he didn't think they were all special. But Kerry has raised more money from Washington lobbyists than any other senator. He's raised over $30 million over the past nine years, and you just ask the folks in the telecom industry if he doesn't make them feel special.

You just ask David Paul, one of the big figures in the savings and loan scandal, if Kerry didn't make him feel special. You just ask the high-tech executive Bob Majumder how special Kerry made him feel, at least until Majumder was charged with 40 counts of conspiracy, witness tampering, fraud, tax evasion and illegal campaign contributions. You just ask the law firms, the brokerage houses, the oil companies, the H.M.O.'s and the drug companies, which have donated tens of thousands of dollars to Kerry. Oh, he sometimes pretends that he doesn't care about our special interests. He puts on that callous populist facade. But deep down he cares. Maybe he cares too much. When he's out on the stump saying otherwise, he's just being a big old phony."

2:Cough.... Wednesday, Feb. 4, 2004 11:26 a.m. EST

"Sen. John Kerry and his media boosters are hoping bogus allegations that President Bush went AWOL from the National Guard will catapult him into the White House - but during the 1992 presidential campaign, Kerry angrily denounced Bush's father for raising Bill Clinton's Vietnam draft record.

In fact, back then, Kerry called those who wanted to make Vietnam service an issue "cowardly."

"I'm here personally to express my anger, as a veteran," Kerry told National Public Radio two months before the 1992 election, "that a president who would stand before this nation in his inaugural address and promise to put Vietnam behind us is now breaking yet another promise and trying to use Vietnam and service in order to get himself re-elected."

"That is not an act of leadership, that is an act of shame and cowardice," the Massachusetts Democrat railed.

In words that could now apply to his own presidential campaign, Kerry complained to reporters a month later that White House charges suggesting Clinton had gone AWOL from the draft were an ugly smear. "It is a sad day when the president of the United States is willing to sully another man's reputation and challenge his patriotism merely to get elected," the current Democratic front-runner groused.

Tuesday night, Kerry pulled a 180-degree about-face on the issue of using a candidate's Vietnam-era military record, telling Fox News Channel's "Hannity & Colmes," "There is an issue about what [bush's] service was - and I don't know the answers."

Saying he would defend Bush's decision to enlist in the Guard, Kerry rattled off a long list of Vietnam-era options that lumped Guard service in with draft-dodging.

"I've never made any judgments about any choice somebody made about avoiding the draft, about going to Canada, going to jail, being a conscientious objector [or] going into the National Guard," he told Sean Hannity. "Those are choices people make."

street228 · July 1, 2004

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quote:Originally posted by street:

1:Kerry is LEVEL headed; opposed to BUSH's example of irrational, and reactionary responses.

2:Kerry is a REAL war experienced VET, which has seen ENOUGH of it FIRST HAND, to KNOW the consequence of his action(regardless of the bush indoctinational propaghanda);

That is my judgement...yep..I said it.

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1: And, pray tell, what do you base this assumption on.

certainly NOT the link you keep presenting, and definately NOT the provided OPINION oriented article:

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By DAVID BROOKS

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You been taking Michael Moore classes Street?

you ever think, just maybe.....Mr. Moore, came up with his conclusions,on his own?

I did'nt teach MOORE anything...in fact, I never heard of him, before his movie came out...

and this crap, where I am cornered..and can't respond to redundant rhetoric?....just read all my previous post....If your answer is not in there.....?...then you have'nt been paying attention.

[ 07-02-2004, 12:42 PM: Message edited by: street ]

street228 · July 1, 2004

quote:

quote:Originally posted by street:

1:Kerry is LEVEL headed; opposed to BUSH's example of irrational, and reactionary responses.

2:Kerry is a REAL war experienced VET, which has seen ENOUGH of it FIRST HAND, to KNOW the consequence of his action(regardless of the bush indoctinational propaghanda);

That is my judgement...yep..I said it.

quote:

1: And, pray tell, what do you base this assumption on.

certainly NOT the link you keep presenting, and definately NOT the provided OPINION oriented article:

quote:

By DAVID BROOKS

quote:

You been taking Michael Moore classes Street?

you ever think, just maybe.....Mr. Moore, came up with his conclusions,on his own?

I did'nt teach MOORE anything...in fact, I never heard of him, before his movie came out...

and this crap, where I am cornered..and can't respond to redundant rhetoric?....just read all my previous post....If your answer is not in there.....?...then you have'nt been paying attention.

[ 07-02-2004, 12:42 PM: Message edited by: street ]

Kalshion · July 1, 2004

lol, I can't help but LAUGH at what street had JUST said about Kerry, infact I fell out of my chair while drinking some Ice Tea

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Kerry is a REAL war experienced VET

Where do you come off that he is a true Vet?

He BETRAYED his country by using the three purple hearts he had to get out, then he PROTESTED the war

He claimed that our boys where doing bad things over there, and yet he NEVER reported them? Hardly a vet in my opinion

In fact, I don't consider him a vet at all, I consider him a liberal who is JELOUS that Bush has handled himself so well DESPIT all the shit he has had to put up with

Bush has had the 9/11 to deal with for crest sakes, you think he ASKED for something like that to happen during his administration no? Hell no, something like that was unexpected and don't have and say that we intelligence to prove it, that intelligence died when that communist clinton was put in office

What you guys fail to understand, is that the moment Kerry get's into office WE WILL LOSE THIS WAR

He's just a puppet controled by Clinton, you guys saw what Clinton did to our military right? Thanks to that freak we weren't able to obtain the right intell to even confirm that 9/11 would even happen

IF he had kept the military the way it was

IF he had kept our intelligence department the way it

IF he had kept his communist hands out of our military we would've seen this coming

The SAME thing is going to happen the moment Kerry get's into office, that's why I fear for america, cause I know Kerry will undo ALL the stuff Bush has done to try and SAVE America

You guy's are brain washed into thinking Kerry is better, don't come crying to me when Kerry take's away SEVERAL of you're rights (where bush hasn't taken away, and if he has I say "That's the price to pay for safty")

July 1, 2004

Still no answer Street?

Hmm, pretty much tells me what I and everyone else needed to know.

Thanks.....

Kalshion · July 1, 2004

lol, I can't help but LAUGH at what street had JUST said about Kerry, infact I fell out of my chair while drinking some Ice Tea

quote:

Kerry is a REAL war experienced VET

Where do you come off that he is a true Vet?

He BETRAYED his country by using the three purple hearts he had to get out, then he PROTESTED the war

He claimed that our boys where doing bad things over there, and yet he NEVER reported them? Hardly a vet in my opinion

In fact, I don't consider him a vet at all, I consider him a liberal who is JELOUS that Bush has handled himself so well DESPIT all the shit he has had to put up with

Bush has had the 9/11 to deal with for crest sakes, you think he ASKED for something like that to happen during his administration no? Hell no, something like that was unexpected and don't have and say that we intelligence to prove it, that intelligence died when that communist clinton was put in office

What you guys fail to understand, is that the moment Kerry get's into office WE WILL LOSE THIS WAR

He's just a puppet controled by Clinton, you guys saw what Clinton did to our military right? Thanks to that freak we weren't able to obtain the right intell to even confirm that 9/11 would even happen

IF he had kept the military the way it was

IF he had kept our intelligence department the way it

IF he had kept his communist hands out of our military we would've seen this coming

The SAME thing is going to happen the moment Kerry get's into office, that's why I fear for america, cause I know Kerry will undo ALL the stuff Bush has done to try and SAVE America

You guy's are brain washed into thinking Kerry is better, don't come crying to me when Kerry take's away SEVERAL of you're rights (where bush hasn't taken away, and if he has I say "That's the price to pay for safty")

July 1, 2004

Still no answer Street?

Hmm, pretty much tells me what I and everyone else needed to know.

Thanks.....

weegee_101 · July 1, 2004

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You, a Republican?

Yeah, right.....LOL

You are a card carrying liberal, bud.

Once again your ignorance shows Jag. I say this since you claim all Republicans are conservative.

I'm gonna say this again, and I hope it soaks in to some of you this time. The Political spectrum is a measurement of opinions of a person. Liberal, which is commonly associated with the Democrats, means one wishes a progression. Conservative, which is commonly associated with the Republicans, means one wishes it to stay the same.

In fact, no one party is all conservative or all liberal, and eventually this "Eww, your liberal, your bad" additude is going to rip us all apart. If we don't progress, we don't get anywhere.

In fact the democrats are the party for the working classes. Thats not to say that the Republicans who have money are not working people. The democratic party often supports the blue collar workers, who are represented by the Unions and organizations that support the Democrats.

You of all people should know this Jag; you're such a history buff. Those unions are the factory workers of our country, who benefit this country as much as the people who manage them.

All those charts show is that Republican supporters often in fact are not organized and are individuals who make a little more than their organized blue-collar counterparts.

And give us a break with the liberal is going to destroy this country crap. You've got some liberal opinions as well, namely the patriot act.

Wiretapping citizen's homes was not common practice before the patriot act. I'd say that's a pretty liberal decision on the President's part.

Liberal isn't a derogative, its sad that since the end of the cold war it has become one. I suppose American's need some kind of cold war; sad that we've started one in our own damn country.

weegee_101 · July 1, 2004