jamotto Posted April 19, 2005 Report Posted April 19, 2005 Link quote:By WILLIAM J. KOLE, Associated Press Writer VATICAN CITY - White smoke poured from a chimney at the Vatican and bells tolled on Tuesday evening, announcing to the world that a new pope was elected in the first papal conclave of the new millennium. Crowds in St. Peter's Square chanted: "Viva il Papa!" or "Long live the pope!" "It's only been 24 hours, surprising how fast he was elected," Vatican Radio said, commenting on how the new pope was chosen on the conclave's second day. It was one of the fastest elections in the past century: Pope Pius XII was elected in 1939 in three ballots on one day, while Pope John Paul II was elected in 1978 in four ballots in one day. John Paul II's successor was elected after either four or five ballots over two days. More pilgrims poured into St. Peter's Square, and the bells kept ringing 10 minutes after the original tolling. Pilgrims said the rosary as they awaited the name of the new pope, and prelates stood on the roof of the Apostolic Palace, watching as the crowd nearly doubled. The bells rang at 6:04 p.m. (12:04 p.m. EDT) ending confusion over the smoke signal that had risen from the chimney of the Sistine Chapel. White smoke is used to announce the election of a new pope, along with the ringing of bells, which was added for this conclave. The world awaited the formal announcement of the new pope, to be made on the balcony of St. Peter's Basilica by Chilean Cardinal Jorge Arturo Medina Estivez. Niels Hendrich, a 40-year-old salesman from Hamburg, Germany, jumped up and down with joy and called his father on a cell phone. "Habemus papam!" he shouted into the phone, using the Latin for: "We have a pope." Antoinette Hastings, from Kent Island, Md., rose from her wheelchair, grasping her hands together and crying. She has artificial knees, making it tough to stand. "I feel blessed, absolutely blessed," she said. "I just wish the rest of my family were here to experience this with me." The 265th pontiff of the Roman Catholic Church succeeds John Paul II, who died April 2 at age 84 after gaining extraordinary popularity over a 26-year pontificate, history's third-longest papacy. Millions mourned him around the world in a tribute to his charisma. Cardinals had faced a choice over whether to seek an older, skilled administrator who could serve as a "transitional" pope while the church absorbs John Paul's legacy, or a younger dynamic pastor and communicator ÔÇö perhaps from Latin America or elsewhere in the developing world where the church is growing. While John Paul, a Pole, was elected to challenge the communist system in place in Eastern Europe in 1978, the new pontiff faces new issues: the need for dialogue with Islam, the divisions between the wealthy north and the poor south as well as problems within his own church. These include the priest sex-abuse scandals that have cost the church millions in settlements in the United States and elsewhere; coping with a chronic shortage of priests and nuns in the West; and halting the stream of people leaving a church indifferent to teachings they no longer find relevant. Under John Paul, the church's central authority grew, often to dismay of bishops and rank-and-file Catholics around the world. Even though John Paul appointed all but two of the men who elected the new pope, it was no guarantee that the new man would necessarily be in his mold. Pope John XXIII was 77 when he was elected pope in 1958 and viewed as a transitional figure, but he called the Second Vatican Council that revolutionized the church from within and opened up its dialogue with non-Catholics. The new pope will have to decide whether to keep up the kind of foreign travel that was a hallmark of John Paul's papacy, with his 104 pilgrimages abroad. The new man may be locked into one foreign trip ÔÇö the mid-August Catholic youth day gathering in Cologne, Germany. John Paul had agreed to visit and organizers have already spent millions of dollars in preparations.
paranide Posted April 19, 2005 Report Posted April 19, 2005 I just can say that this is great news for all of us citizens of the Federal Republic of Germany as the last german pope was elected 482 years ago. Though i'm fearing that Benedict XVI will not be more modern in terms of contraception as Johannes Paul II or in things like abolishing the celibacy or allowing women to be priest in the catholic church;as Benedict XVI is said to be very conservativ.
paranide Posted April 20, 2005 Report Posted April 20, 2005 quote:Originally posted by nomad: Yeah ? This guy is of the "jesus domini" style, and wants catholicism supremacy. Wonder how protestant countries will digest it... How exactly do you know this?Any official statement by him saying that? Otherwise: it doesn't matter at all"how protestant countries will digest it".Why would the pope care (or other members of the Roman-Catholic Church)?Why would the pope have to justify anything that he says or does to non-members of the Roman-Catholic Church ?It simply is of NO interest what they say.They don't belong to the church. quote:Originally posted by nomad: The Vatican, an instrument of God ? Maybe, with it's politics, embassies, banks, obscure orders like the Opus Dei, and even satellite organisations like the "loggia P2". The biggest fraud of all times. What the hell has all this to do with using ancient texts as spiritual guidelines ? LMAO... I am definetely neither a fundamentalist nor do I think everything declared by the vatican is an expression of god and should be accepted uncriticized but I think everyone has the right to believe what he wants to believe. And if they have there "obscure orders" and "politcs" and what not,where's the problem?Either you want to believe or not.
Soback Posted April 20, 2005 Report Posted April 20, 2005 Don't you know that socialists at their very roots are completly anti-religious. That's why you see them spitting acid at anything that has to do with Catholics and Christians because you can't judge people, can't say what's good and what's evil, what's right and what's wrong, not supposed to have an opinion, character and have morals period, what a joke. Budha and other religions of the "minority" on the other hand are a completly different story. And what's wrong with promoting absitnence now? Hmm..interesting how religion is good, but when it gets in the way or personal pleasure and good morals, guess what, it's out the door from there on. [ 04-20-2005, 05:46 PM: Message edited by: Soback ]
paranide Posted April 20, 2005 Report Posted April 20, 2005 quote:Originally posted by Soback: And what's wrong with promoting absitnence now? Hmm..interesting how religion is good, but when it gets in the way or personal pleasure and good morals, guess what, it's out the door from there on. Soback you're speaking right off my heart... It's always the thing about comfort:let yourself be reedemed but HELL if you would have to change yourself for redemption try criticizing long enough until there is no more demanded but sitting on the couch...
Guest Posted April 21, 2005 Report Posted April 21, 2005 Nomad, The guy was a ROMAN CATHOLIC Priest, Bishop, Cardinal, and now the fricking pope. Who's religion is he supposed to think is SUPERIOR? Come on Nomad, again, get a grip on fricking reality here. There are almost 1.2 BILLION Roman Catholics on this earth. The POPE is the LAST word to them. This man is now close to the MOST influential man on earth. I don't care what you say about the Vatican etc, he is probably the most influential, religiously etc man on earth, and no matter how much you complain, freak out, or state history, he is still THE POPE. All you are going to do is piss people off, religion is one of the MOST important things in a persons life, and when another person ATTACKS that religion, no matter how factual, that person is gonna get smacked, and smacked hard. Leave it alone, drop it.... He's now the pope, it's done, it's over, and all you are going to do is upset people...
Guest Posted April 21, 2005 Report Posted April 21, 2005 quote:Originally posted by nomad: Jag: Once and for all: I am not attacking a religion. Christianism did'n wait the 5th century AC to appear, unlike the Vatican and the establishment by the Church of a link between Peter and the Bishop of Rome who gave birth to the Roman Catholicism. It was Leo I, Bishop of Rome (440-461 AC) who suddenly UNILATERALLY claimed to be the "Primate of All Bishops" and "Lord of the Whole Church". Intestine struggles for power lasted centuries between bishops, and included getting the favors of Kings or Emperors to endorse a given bishop rather than another one. I'll stop here. If this has anything to do with divine will, then allow me to be depressed... If people still isn't able to see the line between ancient texts and their human interpretation, mix christianism with papacy, then I won't post anymore on the subject. There is no better blind than the one who doesen't want to see. Nomad, I probably know more about the history of the Roman Catholic church, and it 's beginnings etc then you'll ever want to know. I know exactly what you are talking about, but I ahave also learned that Religion is one of the most important things in the world to people. quote: History does not record anywhere at any time a religion that has any rational basis. Religion is a crutch for people not strong enough to stand up to the unknown without help. But, like dandruff, most people do have a religion and spend time and money on it and seem to derive considerable pleasure from fiddling with it. Lazarus Long The Roman Catholic Church indeed has a history, but unlike some religions, it has matured to a point where it no longer kills people beause they do not believe as they do. All I am saying is this, people are not interested in the history of the Roman Catholic church, they are interested in the NOW. The church of NOW is what is important to them, and beating them with their history is NOT going to change their mind. It took me quite a while to realize that people are NOT interested in the past of their churches, because they LOVE their religion, with a devotion that is incredible, and an iron will that can very easily turn to anger, and an emotional response against you that is way out of proportion to the offense. I am just trying to give you a little advice from a person that has experienced it, and it is NOT fun.....
paranide Posted April 21, 2005 Report Posted April 21, 2005 Quote from Jaguar: "The Roman Catholic Church indeed has a history, but unlike some religions, it has matured to a point where it no longer kills people beause they do not believe as they do. All I am saying is this, people are not interested in the history of the Roman Catholic church, they are interested in the NOW. The church of NOW is what is important to them, and beating them with their history is NOT going to change their mind. It took me quite a while to realize that people are NOT interested in the past of their churches, because they LOVE their religion, with a devotion that is incredible, and an iron will that can very easily turn to anger, and an emotional response against you that is way out of proportion to the offense. I am just trying to give you a little advice from a person that has experienced it, and it is NOT fun....." I guess you are speaking of fundamentalist, religious extremest and other people like that. But these are not the only ones belonging to a religion. Speaking of myself, I am not someone that ignores the past of my church, i'm strongly disgusted what happended in the name of god, (thinking about the inquisition,or the crusades). Furthermore I do NOT blindly follow and accept what is being told by ANY religious leaders.To be honest I do NOT care about what the wordly incarnate of the Roman-Catholic Church(the vatican and the pope)do or say. I am having my own opinion about behaving right to please god.This involves not harming anyone,helping others if needed and similar things.Maybe this would be called heretic by "real"believers, but I still feel like belonging to the Roman-Catholic Church. Also I am a citizen of the Federal Republic of Germany. So let me be proud if a german is elected to be pope.But it doesn't mean more to me. However I don't like it if other people want to tell you what you shall believe or not.This counts for religious AND for non-religous people. As I already said, I have my own opinion about behaving correctly in god's eyes.
Guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Posted April 22, 2005 http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/19_1114...lacethepope.jpg
jamotto Posted April 22, 2005 Author Report Posted April 22, 2005 quote:Originally posted by Tac: http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/19_1114...lacethepope.jpg
paranide Posted April 22, 2005 Report Posted April 22, 2005 I must admit, this one was quite funny. Though a bit mean
Guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Posted April 22, 2005 To close this thread up.... The New Pope, he's, he's, OMG!! HE'S CATHOLIC!!! ROFLMAO!!!
Guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Posted April 22, 2005 BTW, Benedict the XVI is going for the modern technology in a big way. Send him an E-mail at [email protected] This is NOT a joke, this is his actual E-mail address. So maybe nomad can send him an E-mail directly and get him to rescind his excommunication. I won't, because I kinda like the notoriety....LOL
jamotto Posted April 22, 2005 Author Report Posted April 22, 2005 It's not that new John Paul II had one too. Wonder, how many people used it though.
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