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AN UNDERSTATEMENT: THE FOUNDING FATHERS HATED DEMOCRACY

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Doug Newman

I found this fascinating, and thought it might be interesting to discuss, and possibly teach some of the less knowledgable ones of this board a bit about our constitution etc.

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TB writes: "My son and I have a running argument going and I'm hoping you will help me clear this up. He says we are not a democracy but a constitutional republic, and I say we are indeed a democracy. Today the nominee for Supreme Court justice, John Roberts, said he was appreciative for the court's role in this constitutional democracy. Seems like he should know what we are, right? Can you help me explain all of this? And settle the argument?"

TB,

Thanks for writing. In the beginning America was a constitutional republic. Then we degenerated into a democracy. Let me explain.

It would be an understatement to say that the Founding Fathers hated democracy. They warned against it vehemently and relentlessly. They equated it ÔÇô properly ÔÇô with mob rule.

Someone far wittier than I once remarked that, in a democracy, two wolves and a sheep take a majority vote on whatÔÇÖs for supper, while in a constitutional republic, the wolves are forbidden on voting on whatÔÇÖs for supper and the sheep are well armed.

Neither the Declaration of Independence nor the Constitution even contains the word ÔÇ£democracy.ÔÇØ In a democracy, the majority rules and individual rights are irrelevant. If the majority votes that half of your income be confiscated before you can even by groceries, oh well. If the majority votes that you must educate your children in a certain location because you live on a certain side of an arbitrary line, oh well. If the majority votes that you must be disarmed and defenseless against violent criminals, oh well. If the majority votes that your religion be designated an ÔÇ£outlaw religionÔÇØ and that you and all other practitioners be committed to mental institutions, oh flipping well.

(And this is what our political, economic and media elites what to export across the globe?)

The Founders knew democracy would inevitably degenerate into despotism. There is a great line in Mel GibsonÔÇÖs move The Patriot about there being no difference between one tyrant 3000 miles away and 3000 tyrants one mile away. Tyranny is tyranny, whether it is imposed by one person or by millions. Voting does not guarantee freedom. Voting for evil does not legitimize evil.

The United States Constitution goes to great lengths to thwart the process of democracy.

Our federal government has three coequal branches ÔÇô executive, legislative, judicial ÔÇô and an intricate system of checks and balances to ensure that, when one branch oversteps its bounds, another branch can say ÔÇ£We donÔÇÖt think so!ÔÇØ

(If you think that federal courts have no accountability, you are wrong. Article 3, Section 2 authorizes congress to limit the scope of this jurisdiction. Instead of whining and weeping and wailing about a rogue judiciary, congress needs to start exercising this power.)

Federalism, embodied in the Tenth Amendment, forbids Uncle Sam from engaging in any activity not expressly authorized by the Constitution. These powers, which are few and defined, are found in Article 1, Section 8.

(The FEDGOV started chipping away at this one in 1861. During the 1930s it became a dead letter. Our current ÔÇ£conservativeÔÇØ president and congress show absolutely no interest in reviving it.)

The Electoral College is another means of thwarting democracy. Suppose that a candidate for president wins, say, California by a million votes and loses every other state by ten votes. He loses the Electoral College by 483-55. The Founders would not stand for the principle of the majority uber alles. They feared ÔÇô prophetically? ÔÇô an elected despotism. Again, just because people vote for something does not legitimize it.

(In the first presidential election, only ten of the 13 states participated. Only five held any kind of popular election for president. It just wasn't a big deal. The president could do next to nothing anyway.)

Until the ratification of the Seventeenth Amendment in 1916, US senators were elected by state legislatures. A senate elected by state legislatures would serve as a ÔÇ£brakeÔÇØ on the runaway potential of a popularly elected house. The house was the only segment of the federal government that was democratically elected.

The Constitution contains other defenses against runaway majority rule.

The Second Amendment states:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

The ultimate purpose of the Second Amendment is to guarantee that the people retain the ability resist their government.

The right to a trial by a fully informed jury -- which is what a jury trial was at the time of the Founding -- is the ultimate check on any bad law. Under this principle, juries could try not only the facts of a case, but also the law pertaining to that case. If so much as one juror felt that the law under which the defendant was being tried was unconstitutional, unbiblical or JUST PLAIN STUPID, that juror could vote to acquit and the defendant would walk. The rights of jurors are perhaps the most forgotten rights of all.

The best example of fully informed juries in action is found in regard to the Fugitive Slave Laws of the 1850s. These laws made it a crime to harbor a runaway slave. Northerners of good conscience repeatedly violated these laws and juries repeatedly acquitted them based on the injustice of these laws.

The Ninth Amendment protects your right to do things -- home school your children, smoke marijuana -- that the majority might not approve of.. Indeed, if you understand constitutional government, almost all of your life must to be off limits to Uncle Sam.

As a Christian, I cringe when I hear other Christians, especially pastors, glorify democracy. Pilate initially did not want to crucify Jesus. However, he caved in to the will of the mob and sent Jesus to His death. (Matthew 27:23-26)

I hope this puts your disagreement with your son to rest. As far as John Roberts' assertion that America is a ÔÇ£constitutional democracyÔÇØ, he is playing on the ignorance of millions of Americans. It is this same ignorance that makes it so easy for those who would take away our freedoms to do so. Party labels are irrelevant. Adolph Hitler ÔÇô who, by the way, was democratically elected ÔÇô once remarked that it was lucky for rulers that people do not think.

The Founders, who hated democracy, gave us a free country. Our ignorance of history, which has lead to a love of democracy, is causing us to surrender our freedoms at an alarming rate.

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teknocack Ensign

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Great link Jaguar. Indeed, democracy in its purest sense is a dangerous thing. I think that many people either forget or never know, that what the founding fathers were trying to achieve was balance, so that no form of extremism could destroy that which they created.

Guest $iLk

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Democracy is 3 wolves and 1 sheep voting on what's for dinner.

Soback LT. Commander

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Yeah, he ramages the forums and about once a week dumps his "intellect" in top 10 threads. Oh, by the way, AN EXCELENT, perfect example of LIBERAL CALIFORNIAN, 95% of Berkley consists of people EXACTLY like that, presenting those VERY arguments, and about 80% of San Francisco. Do you see what I mean when I say that people like that can NOT survive without people like us? They NEED us to live, we DO NOT need them.

He lives in US, yet the VERY CORE of US, it's history, on what principles and how it was created "load of crap". The ENEMY WITHIN.

Guest Capn Crunch

Guest Capn Crunch

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Also....Don't hate me just because I am beautiful and you do not live in California....that is not my fault.

Guest Capn Crunch

Guest Capn Crunch

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No really, what does troll mean? Try to be a man (or woman) and answer me.

Guest Capn Crunch

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ok, so I am not up to your "level" of intelligence. Is that what defines me as a troll?

Guest Capn Crunch

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So if my opinion doesn't coincide with yours then I am a troll? I thought this was a political forum. If you wanted Mommy to hold your hand then you should have taken your crayons and gone home...

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