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"France is one of Europe's leading economic powers, but it remains a fairly socialist country, and its government has a strong influence in the capitalistic market."

PARIS, France (CNN) -- Police are bracing for another night of violence in the suburbs of Paris after officers and fire crews faced gunfire as they battled rioters who attacked a commuter train and set buses, a school and a car dealership ablaze.

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The rioting began last Thursday in Clichy-sous-Bois after two teenagers were accidentally electrocuted and a third was injured while apparently trying to escape from police by hiding in a power substation. Officials have said police were not chasing the boys.

But the original cause has been all but forgotten as residents of other communities -- weary of poverty, unemployment and discrimination against the large immigrant and Muslim populations -- have vented their frustration.

In some areas, unemployment runs as high as 20 percent -- more than twice the national average, de Villepin told lawmakers.

Jean-Louis Borloo, minister for social cohesion, said officials need to react "firmly" to the unrest but that France also must acknowledge its failure to deal with decades of simmering anger in the impoverished suburbs of Paris.

"We cannot hide the truth: that for 30 years we have not done enough," he told France-2 television, AP reported.

Reminds me of an incident that occured here in Ny a few years back when a drug dealer was shot to death by police here in upper manhattan and the entire latino population went up in arms about the shooting. Burning garbage cans and throwing things off the roof at the firemen than came to put out the fires.

Seems it doesn't matter what political system, there are going to be those that are not happy at all.

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Paris has been burning for 9 days now...

Ain't socialism GREAT? LOL

Expect the rest of Europe to explode as well.

If you haven't seen this coming, you haven't been listening to history...

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Oh, and not only is socialism a major cause of this, but guess what?

The Rioters?

They are Muslim....

Yep, that little old religion of Peace...

uh huh, yeah, sure thing....

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Originally posted by Jaguar:

Oh, and not only is socialism a major cause of this, but guess what?

The Rioters?

They are Muslim....

Yep, that little old religion of Peace...

uh huh, yeah, sure thing....

Yup, I was waiting to see if someone was going say the same thing I was thinking.

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Lets see

1. France abandon's the US in this war after the US saves there little butt's in WW2

2. They take in muslims, refugee's and what not escaping the war

3. They said nothing will happen to them from doing this

My my... this is certainly poetic justice

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Originally posted by LostInSpace:

Yup, I was waiting to see if someone was going say the same thing I was thinking.

Dude, this is gonna be bad, it actually started in Denmark, and now it is in Paris.

The socialist, PC crowd, are gonna get what they have been LONG asking for.

It's a sad situation, the barbarians AREN'T at the gates, they were let into the countries by the liberal PC crowd.

It has been warned, again, and again, and again, that they were LITERALLY committing suicide, but did they listen? OH NO, they said, we aren't like our ancestors, it won't happen to US....

Bunch of clueless morons.

Let em burn......

Maybe it will teach the rest of the deaf fools in other countries....

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Alright, I wasn't going to say anything, but it's been almost 48 hours.

LOL, the only people I see posting in this thread, saying how bad it is are conservatives.

The liberals always have something to say when the view is scewed. Like opression, wellfare, terrorists are also people, ect...But when it blows up in their face, I don't hear a single peep from them. I don't see them publicizing it on the news. I don't see them condemning it. I don't see them throwing suggestions out, I don't even see them doing what they are best at, analyzing WHY it's happening, and UNDERSTAAAANDING the problem. ROFL, I know why, but I will let it be....

I don't even hear a peep out of the liberals on this board, I know they were here. They posted in other threads. The only people posting in this one are conservatives. ROFL.

Oh man. I am telling you. When the big one hits CA, I know where I am going and what I'll be doing, I also know that when I come back, the state will be much more conservative, because they are the only ones that will survive, and the only ones that will come back to re-build when FEMA is not here. LOL, it's funny because it's true.

Watch, in the next couple of days, they will be posting how horrible this whole thing is, while at the same time defending the situation, and telling us their analysis on the problem. That it's the governments fault for not providing better conditions, more money, and more jobs. ROFL

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Um....

Who do you sympathize with? The rioters? Or the victims? Or both?

Who's at fault? The rioters? Or the victims? Or the government for not collecting more taxes from the victims to pay off the rioters? Or the government for not regulating corporations even more so as to take care of un-employment?

But then again, it's already illegal to fire your workers, the only way is to close the company completly. And then again, the hours are cut short for EVERYONE, so that EVERYONE can have a job. But then again, even if "everyone" has a job, they are already taxed more than 60% (and that's minimum tax) to take care of those who couldn't get a job even with the hours being redistributed "fairly", LOL. Wonder why they couldn't get a job, must have something to do with those evil corporations, it's their fault for not providing jobs that put food on the table (even though you bring home a third of your paycheck), government must have been not regulating them enough, or maybe taxing them enough. Or maybe the government should have put out a regulation that for every corporation that shuts it's door, the CEO's MUST open 2 new ones, each with TWICE the workers capacity, everything would've been ok.

This is literally Atlas Shrugged coming true. Incredible.

Who do you symphathize with? Who do you blame? And what's your solution? Really, I want to know. Maybe Nomad, and Aperson can chime in on this too.

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Actually, I'm going to make a correction.

That's 48% tax, for anyone who makes above 48,000 Euros. So pretty much everyone. And that's just income tax alone, excluding all other taxes and fees.

So the show goes on...

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Wow, three posts in a row Soback...

How do these riots result in an indictment on socialism?

From what I've read they started because some youths died while fleeing from the police (who apparently weren't chasing them.) Now it's turned into a bit more with the impoverished expressing their discontent. Yeah there's Muslims involved, but this isn't about religion it's about discrimination and poverty, something we in the U.S. are not unfamiliar with.

It's far more than an opportunity to vindicate yourselves and indict socialism, and could just as easily be happening here. In fact, as LIS pointed out we have experienced similar occurences ourselves in the past.

It's a non-event to those without an agenda to push.

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Yeah, and Denmark is all about socialism, has NOTHING to do with Muslims either, right?

What about the 3 CHRISTIAN girls that were BEHEADED by the religion of peace faithful while waling home from school? What about them, yeah, that isn't because of police chasing a gang of youths.

Europe is feeling the effects of open borders and socialism BIG time.

Europe is about to burn, and you scream about how it ISN'T Muslims, and it ISN'T socialism etc.

Well, sorry stud, Europe is about to burn because of BOTH of those things, and you just keep yelling against reality, I ain't going down with the ship bud, because it's NOT my ship that's just rammed the reefs.

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Wait I thought we were talking about France, why are you dragging the incident in Indonesia into this? It's a tragedy for sure but unrelated to the topic at hand.

Riots against oppression and discrimination are nothing new. I haven't heard any cries of Jihad or death to infidels from either Denmark or France. These riots are not religious riots, it's a simple fact. And let's not lose sight of the fact that those involved are the youth, wow big surprise there. It's hardly as if the entire Muslim population of Europe is uprising.

I'm not yelling against reality, I'm being reasonable about it.

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If you ask them what money they believe in. They will say, YOURS. Why work, when we can have it given to us.

And you say NOT because of socialism? Military patrol schools? ROFL

It is PRECISELY because of socialism. When they are done rioting. Who's going to pay for all the damage? Ummm...Yeah, the working. Who's going to go back and collect wellfare? They will.

And when they feel like it. They will riot again. With bigger numbers next time. And even bigger the time after that. Watch the "Rome" burn. That's if Europe ever exibitied the magnificence of Rome. I think they just skirted it's advanced high time, and went right for the low.

Anyway, it shouldn't be long now. Give or take another 10 years. How I wish that all the liberals from US would stand up for once (yeah I know, asking a liberal to fight for what he believes in is like asking a conservative to not fight for what he does), and go help them out.

Oh yea, almost forgot. My thanks to you guys for helping me out on my post there. I never doubted that you would all come in with explanations of tolerance and understanding. Never condemning, never judging, always can count on you to excuse the un-excusable, and never solve the solvable. And since we have no idea (like Nomad said) how much money they threw at disprivledged youths, I think they should throw some more. But I don't live in Europe, so what do I know. LOL, throw more money baby, lets have a party, and tomorrow, we'll cut the hours again, and have everyone working 4 hours a day. It's still enough to eat on, or is it? Anyhow, THANKS GUYS.

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Uh oh. Nomad you blaspemer, how could you. You better stop with ideas like that, or I might label you a conservative . Those immigrants are only looking for a better way of life. Tsk tsk tsk.

No, but seriously. You know perfectly well that if those people were working, they wouldn't have time to riot. It's like the ones that protest here in US, on wednesdays afternoon. Makes you wonder how they can afford to block your way from lunch back to work, instead of working themselfs. The answer, wellfare.

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Yeah, you wait till you're 30, and it's time to raise a family.

When you see more than half your income going down the drain instead of towards a nice house, you and your wifes vacation, a private education for your kids, and an awesome retirement stash so that you could spend your years after 65 kicking back in Hawaii or on cruise ships. Then you'll wonder how you could ever be so blind.

Of course, it will all depend on what your ambitions are. Because if you never get out of making under $30,000 a year. Paying $15,000 (half your paycheck) in taxes doesn't seem so bad, because you get in return something that you would never be able to afford with those 15 grand, like medical care, public education and a retirement plan that includes 50 other people shoved into a 100x100 foot hall. As you can see, all those things however are half (insert), half * medical care, half * education, and half * retirement. A great guy said to me once, never do things half *ssed, either do them right, or don't do them at all.

Having others pay for you is not bad in those circumstances. I call it legalized looting, but for those who make under 30, it's an entitlement.

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Soback,

Check this out? These guys just ignore the obvious, and now it's happening....

Jihad Watch

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Some are even calling for the areas where Muslims form a majority of the population to be reorganized on the basis of the "millet" system of the Ottoman Empire: Each religious community (millet) would enjoy the right to organize its social, cultural and educational life in accordance with its religious beliefs.

In parts of France, a de facto millet system is already in place. In these areas, all women are obliged to wear the standardized Islamist "hijab" while most men grow their beards to the length prescribed by the sheiks.

The radicals have managed to chase away French shopkeepers selling alcohol and pork products, forced "places of sin," such as dancing halls, cinemas and theaters, to close down, and seized control of much of the local administration.

A reporter who spent last weekend in Clichy and its neighboring towns of Bondy, Aulnay-sous-Bois and Bobigny heard a single overarching message: The French authorities should keep out.

"All we demand is to be left alone," said Mouloud Dahmani, one of the local "emirs" engaged in negotiations to persuade the French to withdraw the police and allow a committee of sheiks, mostly from the Muslim Brotherhood, to negotiate an end to the hostilities.

President Jacques Chirac and Premier de Villepin are especially sore because they had believed that their opposition to the toppling of Saddam Hussein in 2003 would give France a heroic image in the Muslim community.


The French have brought it on themselves, they allowed the Muslims to come into their country and bring THEIR OWN culture with them, instead of becoming French, they are Algerian Muslims LIVING IN FRANCE.

No this has NOTHING to do with Muslims, Socialism and the PC BS diversity crap? No, has NOTHING to do with it?

THese guys can't see the forest for the trees, France is just ONE of Europes coutnries that is at powder keg levels, there are more that will explode, given just a small excuse, and THEY WILL.

Don't think it can happen in the US, well, give them an excuse, and it will happen.

PC diversity has allowed these animals to come into countries and bring their culture of hatred with them, and so the barbarians are within the gates, and will destroy when given the chance.

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""All we demand is to be left alone," said Mouloud Dahmani, one of the local "emirs" engaged in negotiations to persuade the French to withdraw the police and allow a committee of sheiks, mostly from the Muslim Brotherhood, to negotiate an end to the hostilities."

---Is this for real? It would be like the South Americans (Spanish), taking over California, and saying "All we want to do is to be left alone". We are half way there already. Wonder if they will still demand the social services if we leave them alone.

To NEGOTIATE an END TO HOSTILITIES? Is France a sovereign country? I think I could go into France, and end up RULING it overnight. LOL, It needs to NEGOTIATE an end to hostilities with people within their own borders? ROFL, WOW, What's Nomad has to say? Still the same thing about them just being kids?

Why am I even talking about leaving anyone alone? We HAVE to take US back. Each day that goes by, it will be harder in the end.

"President Jacques Chirac and Premier de Villepin are especially sore because they had believed that their opposition to the toppling of Saddam Hussein in 2003 would give France a heroic image in the Muslim community.

Hmmm. You mean playing the dhimmi didn't score them points? What a shock."

---Good one. LOL, Didn't I say that the middle is always evil. Look where that got France.

You know what I WILL protest. US sending ANY troops to Europe. And I mean ANY. And even if ONE US solder that's stationed overseas will be dispatched to try to solve this situation. I will personally be organizing a protest against the "peace keeping mission" <---that's what it will be called no doubt.

"So what is the solution? One solution, offered by Gilles Kepel, an adviser to Chirac on Islamic affairs, is the creation of "a new Andalusia" in which Christians and Muslims would live side by side and cooperate to create a new cultural synthesis."

---ROFL, I just can't stop laughing. OH man, this should really go into the laughter the best medicine section. Only in Europe something so serious could EVER be so funny.

[ 11-05-2005, 02:50 PM: Message edited by: Soback ]

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Originally posted by nomad:

Nice theories, except for one thing: it's the right who is in power, and since long time. But as always you speak without even checking when was the last time France was under socialist rule... LMAO

France is socialist Nomad, 35 hour workweeks, etc etc ad nauseum.

The EU's idea of a conservative is SO FAR LEFT of what WE in the US consider a conservative that it is insane.

France has done this to themselves with their socialist nanny state, and their welfare programs, tax policies, their PC diversity crap etc. They have comitted suicide right before our eyes.

It's gonna spread Nomad, I hope you have your guns and ammunition handy....

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ROFL< Oh no, did Nomad just try to say that France is CONSERVATIVE? ROFL OH NO. Hey, maybe I should dig through previous threads and post the links here to where he DEFENDS Frances socialistic state. Now that this whole thing has blown up, time to run, and claim that the right is in power. ROFL, and tell us to CHECK whens the last time France has been under socialistic rule? ROFL, What is this? Is he actually serious? Hold on, Im going diggin through old threads. Look out for links and Nomads quotes. Or should I even bother, he might get VERY defensive. LOL< "whens the last time France has been under socialistic rule". You mean wellfare, 50% tax, companies not being able to fire people unless they close their doors completly, state medical care, state retirement is not socialistic? ROFL, THEN WHAT IS?

Oh, and in case you, Nomad, will try to say that it's the socialistic right. Let me cut you off before you even start. Because that's an OXYMORON. Meaning THERE IS NO SUCH THING.

I haven't laughed this much in a long long time.

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