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I decided to post this topic, because I wanted to see if people have any personal experiences of climate change. If you are interested, please post your comments or perceptions about your local climate change, so we can perhaps see, if there's climate change at all...

I'll post mine tho.. It has been quite obvious here where I live. Winters have become lot warmer and summers even more hot. We used to have snowy winters, that usually started around october - november, but now its half way december and no snow. This not first year when the beginning of winter has been late.

Absence of frost is causing some problems that we're perhaps overlooked earlier. When the water doesen't freeze as it used to, it causes flooding. Southern Sweden is now having severe flooding, and there are signs of that in here too. Water levels are nearly high enough to be considered flooding. If the frost won't come, and the rain instead keeps coming, many people will suffer from flooding. In Finland, lot of terrain are nearly at sea level or just above, that considerable rise in sea level will cause a lot of trouble.

If this heating continues year by year, it'll take only some 10 - 20 years when we'll have quite a different atmosphere here in scandinavia.. I still remember the frosty winters of my youth, and it really has changed in 10 years.

I'm not saying which causes climate change, and I'm hoping that this thread will not become one of those with furious depates about some irrelevant issue, but rather to keep this so that people will only post their real experiences about climate change if theres any.

thanks,

-v

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weather in the midwest US is about the craziest crap ive ever seen. no kidding, one week itll be about 50, and the NEXT DAY itll drop 30 degrees and dump an ice storm on us along with about 8 inches of snow (happened 2 weeks ago) a 30 frickin degree change in weather!!! now 2 weeks later (today as a matter of fact) its close to 60 degrees and tomorrow its supposed to be around 62 before dropping another 10-15 degrees overnight for a high in the high 40's tomorrow.

i swear the midwest is where god puts all of his left over weather.

i miss home, i miss the desert... i knew for a fact the summer would be about 110-120 degrees and winter would be in the 50's and NO FRICKIN SNOW!!!!!!

'nuff said

i do feel sorry for those poor sods around seattle, wa... theyre getting the noahs ark treatment.

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The East has been very very warm. We did have one snow fall, didn't even cover the grass. I think it will be a late snow season. We will probobly have another April 1st blizzard or something.

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Apparently British TV has decided to "Follow the Money" on the Global Warming trend and it's interesting what they found.

The thing is pretty long, but some of the highlights from this found:

[*]One of the Authors of the IPCC had to threaten a lawsuit to get his name off the "edited" report, because he didn't agree with it.

[*]Several other authors have been intimidated with the threat of loss of funding if they also wanted their names removed from the report.

[*]The Co-Founder of Greenpeace left the organization because of this and has actually recieved death threats for speaking out against Global Warming.

[*]Several University Professors who have spoken out against the Global Warming hysteria have also been inundated with death threats.

[*]The Poorest people, Mostly in Africa, are being made to depend on Solar & Wind Energy (The most expensive kinds of energy) so we can continue to use cheap Oil, Gas & Coal

[*]The report also ignores the fact that there is MORE of a corelation to Sunspot activity and Global Warming than there is for CO2

[*]The Report also ignores the fact that while CO2 only comprises .04% of the Atmosphere, the vast majority of that (.03%) is natually occuring!

[*]The report also ignores the fact that the Medieval Warming Period was MUCH HOTTER than what it is today, and there's no evidence that England or NY were underwater during that period.

[*]The documentary found that there is SO MUCH cash flowing to things related to Global Warming, that people not only don't have an incentive to find "The Truth", but if they speak out against it, they're in danger of losing funding.

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Bullcrap!! Complete and utter bullcrap.

The CO2 levels have been MUCH higher then they are today.

Global warming happens, this is just a fact, it is only a bunch of arrogant socialists that feel that it is all man's fault.

These people need to get a fricking grip on reality.

Temperature rises, then CO2 rises, because the oceans release more of their CO2 when their temperature goes up.

THe globe is warming, whippdeefrickingdoo, it has done it thousands of times before, and will do it thousands of times more.

THe temp will go up another 1 degree celsius, then it will settle for a little while, then the temp will FALL, again, as we head for another Ice Age.

Mars is warming, as is Pluto, as are number of moons. Humans and our probes? Is that what is causing it?

Damn, the sun, it is the big yellow orb in the sky, it's intensity changes over time, and it will warm and cool the earth as it goes through it's cycles as well.

Want to save the earth from Global warming? Sorry, you CAN'T!!!

Want to quit pumping CO2 into the atmosphere, I can tell you the easiest and cheapest way to do it.

It is called Nuclear energy, it will cut greenhouse emmissions in half, RIGHT NOW!!

When people start screaming NUCLEAR POWER, instead of "GOVERNMENT CONTROL", hey, I'm there. In the meantime, as they scream government control, they can just kiss off.

TO them it is about socialism and communism, nothing more, they couldn't give a crap about the earth, all they care about is political power.

Sorry, not on my watch, the IPCC can kiss off with their socialistic nonsense.

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quote:

Originally posted by Nomad:

The conclusion is that during the period analysed, NEVER were the CO2 concentrations as high as now, and that the concentration rate is following an EXPONENTIAL curve. ...

BBC: Deep ice tells long climate story

Wikipedia: European Project for Ice Coring in Antarctica (EPICA)


Actually, the "Early Carboniferous Period" had CO2 levels of approximately 1500 ppm, which is what over 4X todays levels?? What's interesting is that during that time, the average global temperatures were actually about 22 degrees WARMER than today. The planet was a tropical Paradise!

Later, when the planet significantly cooled, in the late Carboniferous, and Carbon levels ended up at about 350ppm, (about the same as today) there were MASSIVE extinctions, because of the cold temperatures that accompanied that period. Keep in mind that the Late Carboniferous to Early Permian is the ONLY times in our history that Carbon levels AND temperatures have been as low as they are today. So what's the conclusion? If Carbon levels are going up, and temperatures are going up, it means that the Earth is returning to it's "More Natural" state. I mean hell, if you go all the way back to the Cambrian period, Carbon back then was 18X what it is today! Where they driving SUV's back then?

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Personally I think we should mandate that all new homes be built with Solar Panels built in. Solar Tiles can be installed in an average home for around 20K, and provide about 80% of the electricity that the home needs, excess can be sold back to the utility and with the expense amortized into the loan, it would basically pay for itself in energy savings. In addition, I think every home should also be sold with a Wind Generator and the government should mandate better fuel economy from Cars & SUV's. The only reason I believe we should do this though is to end the Death Grip that the Middle Eastern Oil empires have on us here in the US. By doing this AND increasing Drilling right here in our own back yards, we can cut ties with the Middle East and let them destroy themselves over there with Rocks, since they won't have any money for weapons.

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The "fix" for nuclear waste is this.

Reprocess the fuel, the US does NOT reprocess the fuel, almost 95% of reprocessed fuel can be reused in reactors, the rest chould be used for heavy reactors, and what is left over can be stored on site, until a technology can be brought about to get rid of it for good.

Such as rockets, loaded with the stuff and launched into the sun.

CO2 is not a problem, and never will be a problem, we don't create enough CO2 to create this poisoning condition.

Sorry, it AIN'T gonna happen...

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Originally posted by Nomad:

toxicologic LIMIT for safe human health lifetime exposure is fixed BELOW 426 ppm. On the current path, we will reach that limit in 2050. For short periods, a human can tolerate up to 5000 ppm. But 24 hours/day, 365 days/year, it's 426 ppm.

Most of the papers that I've seen put this limit at 750PPM, even so, considering the fact that it's been as high as 7000 PPM in the atmosphere, and since mammals have been around as high as 2200PPM I think the upper limit is much higher than stated. Some of the things that are not being looked at is the fact that CO2 helps retain moisture and increases photosynthesis in plants, which also increases the sink that CO2 goes into. It's not all bad.

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Originally posted by Darkling:

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The Report also ignores the fact that while CO2 only comprises .04% of the Atmosphere, the vast majority of that (.03%) is natually occuring!


So? Just because it's naturally orrucing doesn't mean it's good for us. All things considered life on Earth is only possible because the conditions are just right to allow it. If we continue to rock the boat, we'll soon find out what the true consequences are.

I'm sure there are agendas ($$$) on both sides of the issue, but the bottom line is, we are affecting the climate and we must do something about it. It doesn't really matter how much we are affecting it, we can't let the situation get out of control, if we are to preserve life on Earth. Just letting nature run its course may not be the solution we require if we are to remain on this planet.

We are living in a dynamic world, on a planet that's constantly changing, the Earth is cooling, the moon is slowly inscreasing its orbit, the sun is going through temperature cycles, etc., etc. All we can do is adapt and try to predict and act accordingly to the change. Our existance is linked to the climate and the weather is currently reaching extremes like we haven't seen in a long while. Those are indicators we can't ignore or shrug off.

Nuclear power may be one of the solutions, but I don't believe it's the only solution.

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quote:

Originally posted by stingray:

... but the bottom line is, we are affecting the climate and we must do something about it. It doesn't really matter how much we are affecting it, we can't let the situation get out of control, ...

I think you guys are missing the point, but Nomad is a bit closer:

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Originally posted by Nomad:

... Then in the Priabonian age, CO2 levels suddenly raise to 300% their previous values. Guess what ? No monkeys are found in Eurasian Priabonian fossils....

What I'm trying to say is this, we've seen from the Geological Record that the CO2 level has been much, much higher than now, we had NOTHING to do with ANYTHING we did, as for the Monkeys, geologist are saying that they were due mostly to Global COOLING, not Warming. In addition, when you consider the fact that for MOST of the past, CO2 levels have been much higher than they are today, what makes you think we can do anything to stop them from going "back to normal"? Let's say that you're right, Let's say that we're causing 50 or even a 100PPM increase in CO2 levels, what happens when the Earth kicks in another 500 or 1000 PPM? What do we do? Cap the Volcanoes? Stop sea life from dying? Kill all the cows? By the way, when scientist estimate that "We" are causing up to 100PPM increase in CO2, about 70% of that number is derived solely from our livestock, you know chickens, cows, sheep. Are we supposed to kill off all our food? So I guess we'll die from starvation, but not CO2 poisoning!

About the ONLY realistic thing we can do is start building hundreds of desalinizations plants around the world, especially around the Sahara and Middle East and turn all the Deserts into Rain Forests and farms, because unless we plan on killing off all our livestock and all becoming vegans, it's just not going to happen. Our industrial processes simply don't produce THAT much CO2, if you cut out things like the CO2 that WE put out from breathing and the CO2 put out by animals, the CO2 levels put out by our industrial processes works out to some rediculously low amount like 5 or 10PPM! These guys all know this, so what are they advocating? We kill off everyone in Africa to stop them from putting out CO2?

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