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Radeon 7500/8500 should you buy?????


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I am a Kyro2 owner.

I will need to upgrade to a better card with T&L support for all the great games (especially BCM) being released. I had thought about a GF3 card, but John Carmack says it will take it 5 passes to render a single frame of Doom 2000. He says that the Radeon 8500 will probobly accomplish it in One or Two passes.

I read a coupple "Prieviews" of the R8500. It was not as fast as a GF3, and it has driver issues. ATI sems to always have sucky drivers. But, I dont want to get a GF3 if it will take 5 passes to do doom 2000. The Radeon 8500 has superior technology, but I am not sure if I want to be saddled with driver issues for the next year.

Anyone have any feelings on this? SC, how does the Radeon 8500/7500 handle BCM? Do you have any thoughts on the matter?

[ 09-26-2001: Message edited by: Hellbinder[CE] ]

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Does it matter if a Geforce 3 takes 5 passes and gets 70 FPS and a raiden takes 2 passes and gets 20 FPS?

Personally I'll take a Geforce 3 over a raiden because of the bad drivers.

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Each pass will slash the fill rate and FPS by quite a margin.

anything over 3 will kill performance in a major way redardless of drivers.

With 5 passes Doom 2000 will likeley barley get 60 FPS(max) at 1024x768x32 and dip into lows far below that. Carmack says that a GF2 GTS will average 30fps in doom 2000 at 800x600

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Well, the Radeon cards do look promising on paper, but if the drivers can't back up the hardware, then what good is the hardware???

I too am looking for a vidcard, and I pretty much have set my sites on a Geforce. Why, because the drivers work.

I am going to wait and see what these new ATI drivers are truely capable of.

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Don't wait. I have a GeForce 2 Ultra, when I first played the BCM demo, I ahd to do 1 tweak, z-buffering. In demo 2 BCM no tweaks.

Never liked ATI, would rather be piloting a freighter being attacked by a Stormcarrier than use ATI.

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Look at the DETONATOR XP driver upgrade for the GeForce 3 - 30% increase!

I think I made a good choice despite the mental masturbation inherent in reading about what the Radeon SHOULD do... we'll see, but for now with such increases in the GeForce 3 just through driver upgrades and more promises in the future, I think I'm good to go.

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No! Get a GF3.

ATI are notorious for bloody frigging awful drivers. I don't care if the f*cking card leaps out and gives me a 200fps blowjob - there's NO way I'm recommending ANY ATI card to anyone. EVAR!

[ 09-27-2001: Message edited by: Supreme Cmdr ]

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ATI are notorious for bloody frigging awful drivers. I don't care if the f*cking card leaps out and gives me a 200fps blowjob - there's NO way I'm recommending ANY ATI card to anyone. EVAR!

Um... okay I think SC agrees with me...

although you would have to admit that if a video card had that listed on it's box as a "feature" you would be tempted to buy it...

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I have a Radeon and I've been regreting it since the day I bought it. I'd rather play at 25 FPS if everything's running smoothly than 300 FPS with constant graphical glitches and all sorts of visual issues.

PS: I have a wonderful ATI Radeon for sale, almost new, in case someone is interested

PPS: I'm not kidding

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Originally posted by Supreme Cmdr:

No! Get a GF3.

ATI are notorious for bloody frigging awful drivers. I don't care if the f*cking card leaps out and gives me a 200fps blowjob - there's NO way I'm recommending ANY ATI card to anyone. EVAR!

[ 09-27-2001: Message edited by: Supreme Cmdr ]

Well that settles that!!!

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Originally posted by emphy:

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Heh, which version, what cost, and do you ship to Europe?

Radeon DDR 32Mb, they seem to be selling at e-bay for about $50, so I'd be happy with $40.

Yes, I'd ship to Europe. Heck, if you wait until Xmas I can probably deliver it to your door myself

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Here is another thing that I won't recommend:

Saitek Cyborg 3D Digital

Yup....This thing is good only for 6 months and then.....It's totally and utterly f**ked!!

By the way this is the second one I had

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Hehe I've seen it on sale at EB in Oxford. It's not as expensive as you think.

I almost bought it but I decided on the 3D Digital model (second time) as I liked the feel to it. Too bad it didn't last long with me......Does anyone know a joystick thats "Fendi proof"?.

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*Ponders why he had to replace his turbo twice in his 200SX*

I guess I was just a wee bit rough on my joysticks.

I blame it all on the space sim genres that I love playing. Tachyon took my first Saitek followed by EOC. I wonder what joystick is BCM gonna take?

Oh did I tell you guys what happened to my Porsche 924's gearbox a couple of years back?

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Man, most of the time I jump on the "MS sucks" bandwagon. But, hey! I've beat the crap out of my Sidewinder 3D stick. It's the original released many years ago. I bought it after my WingMan' fire trigger took a dive (I loved that stick ).

When I mean abused, I am heavy handed and have yet to break the bastard. I think it's the one MS Hardware item that was made with qaulity in mind, cuz God knows the newer ones suck

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