What'd think of these Specs?

[Charles Lindsey]

Commander Zeke Stone, a small hint if I may. When you edit messages; if you would; scroll down to the bottom of the page/box and delete any previous "Edited by" messages. This leaves only one "Edited by" message. Derek Passed this tip on to me long ago. It's not a real biggie but it keeps your post neat. Spelling corrections need no comments but I and some others include "edit in" for thoughts immediately after the fact.

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Commander Chavik

Spectre Fleet

ICV Phoenix

Official BC3K Tester

"We Shall Arise From The Ashes"

[Guest aramike01]

Zeke, yet another suggestion: let us read some of your story. Just make sure it's a small passage, as to not clutter the forum.

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Cmdr. Michael Kristophers

Spectre Fleet

Commanding Officer, Spectre StarStation

ICV-Intrepid

"You won't get the Purple Heart hiding in a foxhole!"

[Commander Zeke Stone]

Well I haven't really started writing the movie yet. I figure I should wait until I become an experienced writer and director before I make this one. That's why I'm writing a book series at the momment, tis called 'The Secret Invasion'. I could tell you more of what the movie is about but I don't want to take the risk of someone stealing my idea. Is not that I don't trust you guys, I just don't trust other people that may stumble upon it someday. I'd rather wait until I get a copyright, which means I probably need to write it first I'll think about it more anyway.

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Commander Zeke Stone,

UCV Guardian - "Never Give Up, Never Surrender"

**Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job** -- Douglas Adams

[Guest aramike01]

You should then try to expand on something other than the ship, so it is all-encompassing.

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Cmdr. Michael Kristophers

Spectre Fleet

Commanding Officer, Spectre StarStation

ICV-Intrepid

"You won't get the Purple Heart hiding in a foxhole!"

[Commander Zeke Stone]

Anyone know if it's at all possible to copyright an idea for a movie?

Hey, look at that, I'm a Cmdr now.

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Commander Zeke Stone

Mercenary

UCV Guardian - "Never Give Up, Never Surrender"

**Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job** -- Douglas Adams

[This message has been edited by Commander Zeke Stone (edited 08-26-2000).]

[Guest aramike01]

You can't copyright an idea. You'll have to write the script first. Then, you can get a copyright which entitles you to protection on your work and any thing derived from it.

If you were to make a movie, you'd also have to get a second copyright for that work.

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Cmdr. Michael Kristophers

Spectre Fleet

Commanding Officer, Spectre StarStation

ICV-Intrepid

"You won't get the Purple Heart hiding in a foxhole!"

[Commander Zeke Stone]

Does anyone know if it is possible to have a hand held weapon that can incinerate the specific particles of a certain race and only stun any other race hit by the blast?

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Commander Zeke Stone

Mercenary

UCV-Susceptor - "Never Give Up, Never Surrender"

**Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job** -- Douglas Adams

[Guest aramike01]

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Does anyone know if it is possible to have a hand held weapon that can incinerate the specific particles of a certain race and only stun any other race hit by the blast?

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What an odd question...

Of course it's not possible. That kind of thing can only exist in books and movies!

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Vice Admiral Michael Kristophers

Spectre Fleet

Fleet Commander

ICV-Intrepid

"You won't get the Purple Heart hiding in a foxhole!"

[Guest bigred]

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Originally posted by Supreme Cmdr:

anyone who takes 200 years to build a ship, deserves to be buried it in.

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What about somebody who takes 10 years to design a software program? lol

-Looking foreward very much to BCM

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I Remmeber Askin' why, power plays while the people die... Let it rain and protect us from this Cruel Sun.

[Guest bigred]

200 years to build a ship? IN the gmae "homeworld" the mothership supposedly was only 60 years in the making. In SW, the Imperial star destroyers were 5 km long and they were very big ships. A vessel that is hundreds of killometers? A structure so large would be almost impossible to move- The thrust reuired to move that much mass would probably also be enough to rip apart the ship, Unless some structural design advancements were made. over the time. 200 years? The ship would be useless by the time it was finished, as technological edvancements would have made the comparison between that ship, and smaller ships of the day as big as the difference between a modern airraft carrier and the USS Constitution (one of the finest ships ever to sail, but no match for modern technology).

MAke the design time a bit shorter. The movie idea sounds great, I love the concept. THese thoughts are just constructive criticism, hoping to help you with your endeavor, not discourage you. Anyway,

GOOD LUCK!

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I Remmeber Askin' why, power plays while the people die... Let it rain and protect us from this Cruel Sun.

[Hector Socas Navarro]

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Slight miscalculation there. The ship actually goes 2,628,000,000 km/s which is about a lightyear an hour

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Wow! That's fast! A few pesky questions:

a) With respect to what is the ship moving that fast?

Once moving at that speed, what prevents the ship from accelerating more and going faster?

c) I suppose this is a non-relativistic universe, correct?

d) How long does it take to accelerate from 0 to that speed? Keep in mind that an acceleration faster than a few g's (1 g=9.8 m/s^2) would crunch the crew against their chairs.

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See you out there, among the stars

Cmdr Nava, GCV Nemesis (Official BC3k tester)

[Guest aramike01]

Hehe - the physicist has spoken!

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Vice Admiral Michael Kristophers

Spectre Fleet

Fleet Commander

ICV-Intrepid

"You won't get the Purple Heart hiding in a foxhole!"

[Hector Socas Navarro]

Hey, I'm just asking

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See you out there, among the stars

Cmdr Nava, GCV Nemesis (Official BC3k tester)

[Commander Zeke Stone]

I love it when they ask question

a) During the movie, the ship needs to find certain 'artifacts' (we'll call them) that spread out across the entire Universe. BTW, my first calculation was indeed correct as I forgot the ship will not be staying in this Galaxy. So it needs to move at a lightyear a minute in order to reach these places within their lifetime.

What prevents a car from going faster. It can't go faster because the engines won't allow it too.

c) What is a Non-Relativistic Universe. If you mean unrealistic, I must no. I'm trying to make it as realistic as possible which is why I will think up theories of how this ship will move this fast.

d) It takes to approximately 1 second to reach this speed. But so that the engines will not take off without the rest of the ship it generates a sheild around the ship that makes everything within this sheild move as one.

Also, I'm already planning on making it take less time to build. I'm not sure how but I intend to have it built in a maximum of a 75 year time frame.

I was wondering if it would be at all possible for someone to create this partically incinerator. Basically, I guess I'm wondering if different things have different types of particles?

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Commander Zeke Stone

Mercenary

UCV-Susceptor - "Never Give Up, Never Surrender"

**Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job** -- Douglas Adams

[Guest aramike01]

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What prevents a car from going faster. It can't go faster because the engines won't allow it too.

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Hector, didn't we have this conversation before? Deja vu, hehe.

To answer that, it's not because engines don't allow it - it's because the laws of physics don't allow matter to travel at the speed of light.

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Vice Admiral Michael Kristophers

ICV-Intrepid

Fleet Leader

Spectre Fleet

[Steve Schacher]

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What prevents a car from going faster. It can't go faster because the engines won't allow it to

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I've been away from this thread for a while, but let me offer another idea here.

It's not the engines, it's the drives (which you haven't mentioned yet). The engines are just power generators -- they don't move the ship by themselves. A car can't go faster because (friction and gravity aside) the drive train that converts the energy from the direction of spin on the motor down to the axles and the direction of rotation on the tires cause a loss of energy at each diversion point. You notice how on manual transmission cars that the motor always spins between 1000 and 4000 rpms no matter what gear you are in, but in high gears the car goes faster? The same with bicycles -- you pedal at the same rate but higher gear ratios cause the bike to go faster. So, how will your engines feed you ships drives?

This is the principle that energy cannot be created nor destroyed -- it can only be converted from one form to another. In any reaction, there will always be a certain amount of energy lost as heat (friction again -- notice how hot your tires are after a drive?), so a machine will eventually slow down and stop.

[Guest aramike01]

Heh, still - can't go fast as light in Einstien's universe!

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Vice Admiral Michael Kristophers

ICV-Intrepid

Fleet Leader

Spectre Fleet

[Commander Zeke Stone]

uhh........heh heh heh........What? I have no such clue what you just said Steve. I don't drive yet and I know nothing about cars. I know what you meant by the bike but still don't understand what you're asking me here.

As for Einstien, his theories were based in real space. My engines create tunnels through real space that I call Interspacial Tunnels . In these tunnels it's capable of going faster than light because......well I'm working on because. Once in University I plan on taking Astrophysics and possibly Quantum Mechcanics.

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Commander Zeke Stone

Mercenary

UCV-Susceptor - "Never Give Up, Never Surrender"

**Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job** -- Douglas Adams

[Steve Schacher]

What I was saying was that engines are just power generators. Something else drives the ship by getting its power from the engines. So you can write about both the engines and the drives.

Forget the physics. If you don't like Einstein's universe, then make up one of your own.

[Hector Socas Navarro]

A car and a spaceship are different things (ok, I've just invented the wheel here ). When you're driving a car, the air, the ground and the transmission in the engine are generating friction which is stronger the faster you go. That's why if you stop the engine, a car slows down and eventually stops. The engine must supply power in order to compensate for these losses due to friction and maintain the current speed.

This doesn't happen in a spaceship that is moving through empty (well, almost) space. If you turn off the engines the ship will continue moving in straight line at exactly the same speed, specially a big one. So, if you now turn on your engines, you start accelerating. As long as your engines are on you will keep accelerating more and more without limit (at least until you reach the relativistic limit). So in a Newtonian universe (that is, if you don't consider relativistic effects) any ship can go as fast as the pilot wishes (provided that you have enough fuel and patience).

On a different issue if you accelerate too fast your crew will be crunched against their seats. Unless you come up with some idea, like this field that you mentioned that makes everything within the field to move at the same speed. So that would be like if every atom in the ship had its very own engine. Even the crew members themselves! Now that's an interesting idea, sort of an intertial field. Hmmm, I like the idea, but you'll have to work it out in order to make it believable.

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See you out there, among the stars

Cmdr Nava, GCV Nemesis (Official BC3k tester)

[pkzip]

Einstein's Relativity starts kicking Newtonian butt at around .84c, or darn close to the speed of light.

Three things happen:

1. The object increases in Mass. Imagine that bicycle getting heavier and heavier.

2. The object gets smaller and smaller. Stress and Navigational issues.

3. The object's clock slows down (remember, relative to the "ground").

4.(Honorary) What's left of the laws of thermodynamics at that speed says you get a mite bit toasty too.

So as you approach 'c', you weigh a bizillion tons, you're tiny as hell (they don't call it "singularity" for nothing), and it takes forever, Really, to cook dinner. This are the limits, somebody gouge me if I've misinterpreted our ol dude Al E.

Who's up for 'folding' space instead?

[This message has been edited by pkzip (edited 09-08-2000).]

[Commander Zeke Stone]

pkzip I think you forgot that my ship does not reach this speeds in Normal or Real Space, which ever you prefer, it reaches this speed in an Interspacial Tunnel.

It was asked why my ship stops accelerating at that speed....Well how does this sound. At that speed, the hull stress is at a safe level, so they could go faster, but they risk tearing the ship apart.

As for my Particle Incinerater, I think that it will work. A few days ago I saw an old episode of Sliders that I already saw before but forgot about. Anyway, in this episode they land on a world where the Cromags (Probably not correct spelling) are developing a weapon that can tear apart the sub-atomic particles of human, but not a Cromag. Although you could set it to do the opposite. Sound familar? I figure if they can do it, then the Lesnak (Alien species in a new book series I'm writing and an alien species in the movie series under discussion) can develope a better one.

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Commander Zeke Stone

Mercenary

UCV-Susceptor - "Never Give Up, Never Surrender"

**Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job** -- Douglas Adams

[Guest bigred]

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Originally posted by Commander Zeke Stone:

c) What is a Non-Relativistic Universe. If you mean unrealistic, I must no. I'm trying to make it as realistic as possible which is why I will think up theories of how this ship will move this fast.

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A relativistic universe, In science-fiction, means that The current thinking towards time and space relations, as applying to motion and specifically faster than light, or superluminal flight applies. It is impossible for an object of mass to reach the speed of light. It is basically like trying to reach a destination. If you go half way to it, then half way again, you will always be closer, but will never reach it.

I of course am not entierly accurate here, but it sort of explains the idea. I am not Einstein, after all.

Of course you can make up legitimate scientific theory. Long ago the earth was flat. Long ago metal boats wouldn't ever float. Long ago nobody could ever break the sound barrier.

Thinking changes over time, and relativity is just a (very good) theory. But current research suggests that it may be possible to send mass from place to place faster than light would take to reach the destination.

Above all, never underestimate the hyperspase theory, tat old sci-fi stand by, which can allow speeds in excess of relativity, and can be used within a relativistic universe.

Don't let realism get in the way of making a good story. After all it is first and formost a story. Just look at Star wars. Very popular. And realism is not neccesarrily the primary goal. And at the time people never said it would work

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Cmdr. "Red" Nyquist

ICV Trenchtown

Spectre Fleet

"A spectre is haunting Europe... All the powers of Europe have entered into a holy alliance to exorcize this Spectre"

[Guest aramike01]

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It was asked why my ship stops accelerating at that speed....Well how does this sound. At that speed, the hull stress is at a safe level, so they could go faster, but they risk tearing the ship apart.

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That doesn't make sense. If you're going to create this interwhatever tunnel that defies physics, why would stress even be an issue (as if it actually were, in the physical sense). And, consider this tunnel is fictional, who's to say that there isn't a speed limit within? You should pay close attention to what Hector said - if I recall correctly, he's a physicist and is entitled the term "Doctor" to be placed before his name.

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Vice Admiral Michael Kristophers

ICV-Intrepid Spectre (Antis)

Fleet Leader

Spectre Fleet

[pkzip]

sorry, Zeke, my 'folded space' reference was way too obtuse.

This is the way they taught it to me at Drake U in the seventies, somebody (hopefully the good doctor) will let me know if it's no longer a relevant analogy:

Take a very thin sheet of paper. Put two dots on it near opposite edges (Travel-From, Travel-To). How far away from each other are the dots?

Now softly fold the paper over until the dots touch. Now how far away are the dots?

Flatten out that sheet, and start making little accordion folds in it. After a bunch of folds, Now how far away are the dots?

Here's the rub: there is no stress to the object taking the short cut between the dots, either way... but there's a mother of stress on the sheet (Relativistic "Normal" Space) that it bends in order to bypass. You either slightly warp a whole bunch of space all at once (one single curvy fold with mininmal distortion at each point), or you 'tunnel' through it (countless tiny sharp localized folds). It's that Particle Versus Wave thing.

Bigred gave me a solid reality check, Zeke... it's your story, and we're glad to hear you tell it. Ponder this: would Rattler (as an example) go to the trouble of trying to bend space (either way mentioned above), or to travel 2,628,000,000 km/s, to get a crack at Fill-In-The-Blank ? You betcha. Why? It's a Long Story. And a good one at that.

Keep at it bro, it's a good thing you're building. I want to see character/culture bios and a story arc timeline soon (sorry, old tutor habits resurfacing).