CommanderJohnson Posted September 29, 2002 Report Share Posted September 29, 2002 It's a really simple concept. When there aren't bombings, the Israelis don't invade Palestinian towns, they talk about peace agreements, and there is a period of peace. Then the stupid Palestinian groups bomb Israeli civilians in busses, so the Israeli's occupy Palestinian areas. The Israelis are not unprovoked. They can't sit back and NOT ACT when they are attacked, that's like if we didn't attack Afghanistan after 9/11. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotharr Posted October 20, 2002 Report Share Posted October 20, 2002 " A New Intifada is Born by Daoud Kuttab The time was almost midnight, on Sept. 20, when a number of satellite television stations interrupted their regular programming to announce that Israeli soldiers had warned Palestinians living near Yasser Arafat's headquarters in Ramallah that the building would be blown up in 15 minutes if those inside it didn't come out. Within those tense minutes, the streets of Ramallah filled with ordinary Palestinians. Marchers, often led by women, increased in number as people trapped in their homes for days on end decided to shake off the injustice that had befallen them. Many demonstrated more in defense of their national honor than in support of Mr. Arafat. The popular uprising that began in the Ramallah neighborhood of Umm al Sharit quickly spread to Nablus, Tulkarem, Gaza and Bethlehem. The next day, women and men came out with pots and pans and beat on their household utensils as a sign of anger and protest. The following day, a candlelight vigil was held as a way to break what people considered a repressive curfew. In 1987, Palestinians introduced the term intifada into the international lexicon, when thousands of youths armed with nothing more than stones rose up against Israeli guns and tanks. In the fall of 2000, when rioting broke out following the visit of Ariel Sharon to the area around the al Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem, many called those protests the al Aqsa, or second, intifada. Now, with what happened the evening of Sept. 20 in Ramallah, I believe we are witnessing the birth of the third intifada. Since that night, schools in many West Bank cities have remained open, defiant of Israeli curfews. Some areas are organizing popular schools. Some of the more affluent schools are sending homework to their students via e-mail. Curfew days have become high traffic days on the Internet as most people are doing their office or school work from their homes. A major culture is being written up, recorded, photographed and spread on cyberspace about life under curfew. What happened late that Friday night was not without warning. A week earlier, the representatives of the Palestinian people did something unprecedented in Arab politics: They forced a government appointed by Mr. Arafat to resign rather than be shamed by a confidence vote. At about the same time, a public opinion survey, commissioned by the Search for Common Ground, found that a majority of Palestinians supported the idea of non-violent resistance. Hence the peaceful protests that started 10 days ago. In the two previous intifadas, those who favored more violent confrontation soon came to dominate the protests. Such acts are not only contrary to the spirit of non-violence, they also endanger those involved, quickly limiting the possibility that large numbers of ordinary Palestinians might participate. For a long time, many international critics of the Palestinians have been asking why we don't use non-violent methods to effect change. They argue that if Palestinians do that, a major change will take place in Israeli and international public opinion that will eventually be translated in political terms. Many of us have doubts about that, seeing that the Sharon government is only interested in a Palestinian population that raises the white flag of surrender. When Palestinians in Ramallah carried out their plans to hold a candlelight vigil on Wednesday night, the Israeli army, which had said it would lift Thursday's curfew, reversed its position and reimposed the curfew. Some people obeyed the renewed order; most didn't. Schools in particular have decided that they will no longer call off their teaching duties according to Israeli army dictates. What is worrisome, however, is that the Israeli and international press have ignored or belittled the non-violent nature of what happened in Palestine last week. It seems that the long-awaited change in Israeli and U.S. public opinion will not happen soon, as both peoples continue to be bombarded by news that fulfills the aspirations of those wishing to end the conflict in a violent way. " Uh oh the savages are changing tactics.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Posted October 21, 2002 Report Share Posted October 21, 2002 Nonviolent protests, gag me with a spoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerrai Posted October 21, 2002 Report Share Posted October 21, 2002 all i have to say is Israel should never get thier own land. thier "own" god cursed to forever wander cause they had ignored what he asked them todo and i hope Palestine beats the mess out Israel. serves em right tryin to force another group to become subservient and give up land they own. and before u say the Israelites own that land too, think of it this way. mexico once owned most the West Coast, theres no way the US would let them have it back. it was lost fair and square [ 10-20-2002, 11:46 PM: Message edited by: Enigma ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AWells Posted October 21, 2002 Report Share Posted October 21, 2002 quote:Nonviolent protests, gag me with a spoon.That sounds kind of kinky, actually... how come all the fun ones live 3000 miles away? quote:all i have to say is Israel should never get thier own land. thier "own" god cursed to forever wander cause they had ignored what he asked them todo and i hope Palestine beats the mess out Israel. serves em right tryin to force another group to become subservient and give up land they own. and before u say the Israelites own that land too, think of it this way. mexico once owned most the West Coast, theres no way the US would let them have it back. it was lost fair and squareAnd the Isrealis controlling Palestine isn't the same as the US controling... well... anywhere in the US, since we took it all fair and square over the dead bodies of the Native Americans? I have no problems with how the United States was formed, and I certainly don't see anything wrong with Israel. To say that the Israelites shouldn't have a country because some ficticous God said they couldn't have one is just plain silly. There's plenty of very real automatic weapons, tanks, attack helicopters, fighter jets and nuclear weapons that say that Israel can exist as a nation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Posted October 21, 2002 Report Share Posted October 21, 2002 quote: That sounds kind of kinky, actually... how come all the fun ones live 3000 miles away? Tell me about it darling. quote: And the Isrealis controlling Palestine isn't the same as the US controling... well... anywhere in the US, since we took it all fair and square over the dead bodies of the Native Americans? Dead bodies? Well yea, germ warfare and slavery does tend to leave a lot of dead bodies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerrai Posted October 21, 2002 Report Share Posted October 21, 2002 quote:Originally posted by Litvyak: To say that the Israelites shouldn't have a country because some ficticous God said they couldn't have one is just plain silly. There's plenty of very real automatic weapons, tanks, attack helicopters, fighter jets and nuclear weapons that say that Israel can exist as a nation.well when they are a "religious" group, and thier "own" god (ficticous or not) said no, its not really silly. and weapons dont make a country, ppl do. so by breaking thier own religion and having weapons (and using them in an agressive way) means they have sinned according to thier own laws and beliefs. so again i ask, do they deserve land that isnt thiers anymore? they lost it a looong time ago. guess i had more to say [ 10-21-2002, 02:39 AM: Message edited by: Enigma ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Posted October 21, 2002 Report Share Posted October 21, 2002 Why should it matter? If they decided, based off of there religion, to give up the land that would be one thing, but they arenÔÇÖt giving it up, and if they can hold it they deserve it. Period. Besides, donÔÇÖt the Palestinians have a crazed religion that requires veiling of women and all sorts of similar nonsense? That alone is enough to condemn them to most any fate as far as IÔÇÖm concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 21, 2002 Report Share Posted October 21, 2002 quote: well when they are a "religious" group, and thier "own" god (ficticous or not) said no, its not really silly. and weapons dont make a country, ppl do. so by breaking thier own religion and having weapons (and using them in an agressive way) means they have sinned according to thier own laws and beliefs. so again i ask, do they deserve land that isnt thiers anymore? they lost it a looong time ago. And their religion allows them to defend themselves, and that is exactly what they have done. They have defended themselves against a number of attacks by a bunch of Muslim fanatics. Now it is time to finish the job and send the "palestinians" back to Jordan where they came from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AWells Posted October 21, 2002 Report Share Posted October 21, 2002 quote:well when they are a "religious" group, and thier "own" god (ficticous or not) said no, its not really silly. and weapons dont make a country, ppl do. so by breaking thier own religion and having weapons (and using them in an agressive way) means they have sinned according to thier own laws and beliefs. so again i ask, do they deserve land that isnt thiers anymore? they lost it a looong time ago.Actually, Israel is a nation not a religious group. Anyone, regardless of religious convictions can become a citizen of Israel. The fact that country is dominated by a single religious group, in this case Jewish, means little, since most nations are dominated by a particular religious faith among thier people. The only thing that sets Israel apart is it's the only modern nation where the predominant faith is Jewish. To insist that a nation must make policy based on a religious concept such as sin is just plain silly. As for Israel wanting land that doesn't belong to it... the last time I checked a map the nation was called Israel and not Palestine... so, yes, the Israelis do own it. The Israelis took back thier nation from the Palestinians some 50 years ago or so... it's called survival of the fittest, and Palestine just didn't cut it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wdboyd Posted October 25, 2002 Report Share Posted October 25, 2002 Salutations, Their will NEVER be any LASTING peace in the middle east until Jesus the Christ physically returns. He won't be the suffering sacrifice for mankind then. He will come in Power and use Force. So much for the turning of the cheek period. Even so, come quickly. Reference: Bible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Posted October 25, 2002 Report Share Posted October 25, 2002 Well that added a lot of objectivity to our debate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommanderJohnson Posted October 25, 2002 Report Share Posted October 25, 2002 I'm pretty sure Raptorwb is right. I'm not an expert on the Bible or the Old Testament, but i'm pretty sure it has some nice allusions to there's going to be a whole bunch of fighting and war, and it's only going to an end when Jesus comes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 28, 2002 Report Share Posted October 28, 2002 Well, I got some bad news for you guys. Jesus AIN'T coming, his great grandson to the 20th degree is though. Expect him to show up in the next 5 years. He will be coming out of France. Expect the Christian church to have a cow when he shows his papers and his family tree. The pope is gonna flip out, but not too badly, because he knows it's coming. Should be interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 30, 2002 Report Share Posted October 30, 2002 Brought this thread to a screaming halt didn't I? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Lindsey Posted October 30, 2002 Report Share Posted October 30, 2002 UMMm well I just don't get it. Was it a joke? Best I remember Jesus never married so can't have descendents. However "they" (nameless scientists for now) have found a peice of pottery or something just recently that has the inscription "Jesus; brother of John, son of Mary and Joseph" or something real close. It names all the relatives but maybe not in the order I listed. They admit while Jesus was a popular name at the time they believe that that exact combination of names identifies the Christian Jesus as a true historical person. Quite interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 30, 2002 Report Share Posted October 30, 2002 No Charles, it was no joke. Like I said,should be interesting,and it sure brought this thread to screeching halt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruis.In Posted November 3, 2002 Report Share Posted November 3, 2002 to hell with objectivity. he is right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Posted November 4, 2002 Report Share Posted November 4, 2002 And how, pray tell, do you determine this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epsilon 5 Posted November 4, 2002 Report Share Posted November 4, 2002 quote:Originally posted by Charles Lindsey: UMMm well I just don't get it. Was it a joke? Best I remember Jesus never married so can't have descendents. However "they" (nameless scientists for now) have found a peice of pottery or something just recently that has the inscription "Jesus; brother of John, son of Mary and Joseph" or something real close. It names all the relatives but maybe not in the order I listed. They admit while Jesus was a popular name at the time they believe that that exact combination of names identifies the Christian Jesus as a true historical person. Quite interesting.Jesus Christ DID existed - there's little doubt about that. Whether he was the son of god or not is the question left to debate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Lindsey Posted November 4, 2002 Report Share Posted November 4, 2002 I never said he didn't exist. I said they now have concrete evidence which is most interesting. Much better than anecdotal evidence passed down in the Bible or the disputed Shroud of Turin. Kinda hard to argue with a rock. Unless it's that proverbial brick wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 7, 2002 Report Share Posted November 7, 2002 How many of you have heard that Bibi is back? If he gets to be prime minister again, I feel REAL bad for the Pali's, they are going to be in some deep kaka!! I say I feel bad, but not really. Bibi is like Texas toilet paper, he won't take $h$% of of nobody!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommanderJohnson Posted November 8, 2002 Report Share Posted November 8, 2002 The really ironic thing is that no one can really stop the Israeli government from doing whatever they want. They can fight off their neighbors, and if we tried to go in to make peace, the stupid Palestinians would probably try to kill us too with suicide bombings. That's what they get for trying to kill everyone... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Lindsey Posted November 8, 2002 Report Share Posted November 8, 2002 They realy ought to let the palestinians get a state/country. I'd choose the gaza strip so they have access to that sea or ocean. They'd have to give up the west bank though. Or do I have that backwards? Anyway, get them their country, then let them mess up just one time. Israel then declares war on a sovereign nation and wipes them out. Nothing anyone can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotharr Posted December 5, 2002 Report Share Posted December 5, 2002 http://www.seruv.org.il/defaulteng.asp 504... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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