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Maybe Canada should legalize it. That way we kill 2 birds with one stone. Not only will we have something like Holland on this continent, but all the dopeheads will migrate to Canada, that way Canada can have their "revenue" and US will spend less money in grass control.

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Interesting topic but very complex. In my profession you clearly see how pro and con positions have both risk and benefit.

Alcohol and tobacco are both legal and kill more

americans than every other drug combined. They are the legal drugs of the ruling class and as such viewed as acceptable(though tobacco is losing ground in that regard)Most major tobacco companies patented and copyrighted product names for marijuana in the late 70's since they feel that legalizationis a question of when not if.

Prescription drugs are widely abused and comprise a sizeable segment of the treatment population , particularly when used in conjunction with alcohol.

The pros of legalization would be an almost immediate drop of the criminal element involved with sales.Billions of dollars spent on interdiction could be shifted to more important programs as well as tax cuts for the working class. Sin taxes on consumption could help fund Social security and public education

One look at teen alcohol and tobacco use is all we need to flesh out the cons.Also the commercialization and mass production involved with marketing the products would be a potential problem. Imagine weed being marketed like Mike's Hard Lemonade or Smirnoff Ice.

The worst con is the 15-20% of the population with a biological predisposition to addictive behavior who would now have fewer barriers to feeding thier addiction. The result would be more people in treatment, more loss for the businesses that employ these folks through increased medical

care and lost work hours (sick time).

Given those factors I guess the decision should be made on what set of problems we are most comfortable with. A criminal justice system bursting at the seams,drug related murders and robberies,billions spent on interdiction or skyrocketing medical and human services costs for all the new addicts Madison ave will help to create. Unfortunately either way I'll never be out of a job

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Legalize.

Make smart choices. Things in moderation. Crack is the same as shooting yourself in the head. Smoking a joint is far different.

Stop demonizing it. It makes it attractive to kids and prevents proper strategies on how to fix it.

Tear down the whole infrastructure that makes an international drug king pin and all the crime that goes with. If you don't think that these guys diversify your crazy.

Stop wasting my money on a bunch of missions that don't even take place in my country. Stop wasting money on programs that cannot show an accurate success rate. I want that money for treatment centers and education for the people that actually generate the problem.

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Just legalize ALL of it, tax the hell out of it and enforce drug testing at Jobs, make it so that private employers can make it policy NOT to hire those that do drugs.

The black market is gone, the killing is gone and we quit wasting billions of dollars a year fighting a "Drug War" that we cannot win.

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Just legalize ALL of it,

Are you CRAZY? Either you are, are you don't know the power / strength of some of those drugs! Marijuana is the softest of them all, yet people are already largely affected by it.

Anyway, I don't want to see co-workers shooting themselves at work.

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u guys missed a point, taxing it wont gain any revenue. an ounce of some good weed has more value than an ounce of gold. if ppl can get that ounce for say $350 without tax, why would they pay $400 or more including tax to get it from a store or someplace? yes some states dont have tax, but no tax is still no tax. the stores would haveto make a profit

compainies already lose money to treatment centers and addicts, so its nothing new to them. anyways, if it is made legal it can be regulated like Tobacco and Alcohol. make an age limit say of 18yrs old. id rather see a country that was high than one that was drunk

theres more to it than that i know, but it goes the same with all drugs, Alcohol and Tobacco. if teens or adults want it, they have ways to get it. so its pointless to say keep any drug illegal

as a matter of fact, thats y 'drugs' are illegal, its cause the gov't cant make any money off of it. if they could it would be legal, they just want a way to fill thier pockets. and i dont think any of those king pins or cartels mind makin millions off an illegal substance

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I think your'e wrong about this one Enigma. The cost of growing and harvesting marijuana is not why the price is so high. The price is high due to it's illegality. Growers ,traffickers and dealers charge high costs because of the risk they take in selling it. Just like in liqour stores weed would be sold in all quantities and varying degrees of quality. If you wanted the weed equivalent of a pint of Ripple some one would sell it to you. If weed were legalized tomorrow the price drop would be significant. It doesn't cost that much more to grow weed than say potatoes

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What about the strengths of those drugs, so what? If someone is stupid enough to take hard drugs, LET THEM. I believe very strongly in Darwinism, survival of the fittest and the smartest. If you are dumb enough to take hardcore drugs you will kill yourself off before reproducing. Sounds like a plan to me.

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Just legalize ALL of it,

Are you CRAZY? Either you are, are you don't know the power / strength of some of those drugs! Marijuana is the softest of them all, yet people are already largely affected by it.

Anyway, I don't want to see co-workers shooting themselves at work.


Those co-workers won't be using drugs if companies either don't hire drug users or fire them when discovered. And don't tell me that if it's legal then you can do it and your company can't fire you. As an example, some airlines won't hire you if you are a drinker or even a smoker, both of which is legalized drugs. So if you legalize all the drugs, but employes will refuse to hire the drugees, then the drugees will migrate to Canada, where they should also legalize the drugs, but of course the employes shouldn't descriminate against a non drug user and a drug user. Canada is a socialist country after all, where everyone is equal, eh?
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Soback that may be the most insensitive thing I've heard today. What do you have against Canada? And for your information if you drink alcohol or smoke ciggarettes , you are a drug user. If you have a ciggarette habit you are a drug addict. You continue to use a dangerous drug that will eventually kill you , proof of your chemical dependency. It makes many people comfortable to refer to users of illegal drugs as "druggies" and

"junkies" when as I stated earlier alcohol and tobbaco are the deadliest drugs on the market.

Lastly, drug addiction is a public health problem. Treatment is paid for by insurance companies and your employer can no more fire you for being an addict than he can for having cancer

[ 07-19-2002, 04:49 PM: Message edited by: Race Bannon IV ]

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Soback that may be the most insensitive thing I've heard today

Oh no, NOT THAT!!! EEK!!

[ 07-19-2002, 05:16 PM: Message edited by: Jaguar ]

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Originally posted by Race Bannon IV:

Soback that may be the most insensitive thing I've heard today. What do you have against Canada? And for your information if you drink alcohol or smoke ciggarettes , you are a drug user. If you have a ciggarette habit you are a drug addict. You continue to use a dangerous drug that will eventually kill you , proof of your chemical dependency. It makes many people comfortable to refer to users of illegal drugs as "druggies" and

"junkies" when as I stated earlier alcohol and tobbaco are the deadliest drugs on the market.

Lastly, drug addiction is a public health problem. Treatment is paid for by insurance companies and your employer can no more fire you for being an addict than he can for having cancer

Yes your employer can fire you for having an adiction, or for having cancer. If you are unable to deliver the results you were hired to deliver, or you are a liability, your employer has the right to fire you at any time. Like I said before, that's why some airlines plain out refuse to hire you if you are a regular drinker, or a smoker. If you are a liability (got a DUI), you are supposed to notify the FAA and most likely will have your licence suspended, without the licence you can't fly, and if you can't fly, you are not needed to that airline, therefore you are fired.

Also, the reason I brough up cigaretes and alcohol is because those are legalized drugs, and as you can see they very much affect your job performance. I just wanted to plug the hole of some liberal saying that if grass or other drugs become legal, then it's legal to use them and show up at work later on. Which as you can see is bull, and not only for airline industry. Also, some drugs have prolonged or permanent effects, like LSD that messes up your brains forever with repeated exposures. Would you want to be a passenger on a flight with the pilot having trace vision from repeated use of LSD? Would you want to have a guy ringing you up at the cashregister when he used grass or coke or acid an hour ago? So, if you are under effects of a substance, legal or not, and it makes you a liability or just plain out anable to perform your duty (note I wrote A LIABILITY, some people can handle alcohol very well, but eventually they WILL make a mistake while intoxicated), you should and in some industries will get fired. That brings up cancer, if you have cancer, and are unable to perform your job, are you saying that your employer still owns you a paycheck or the standard of work he expects out of you should decrease? If you really think so than that's the biggest heap of liberal dung I ever heard.

Like I said, if you are a drug user, and it doesn't matter if it's legal or not, you should bear the concequences. I don't care if you have an addiction, or just a casual user. I don't have to or want to put up with someone who is under the influence or has permanent damage because he messed himself up, nor do I own them a living through my taxes because they messed themselfs up, or were using drugs, got fired and are sitting on wellfare, and think about how many people would get fired for using newly legalized drugs and go on wellfare?

That's why I brough Canada into the picture. It's already a mess of a country, becoming more and more like Holland everyday. Social structure decaying, businesses leaving or getting cripled, people getting taxed the hell out of to support the incompetent government, so why not just help them out, legalize the drugs in Canada, and that way kill more than 2 birds with one stone. The DRUGEES can go to Canada to do their drugs legally ( and Canadian industry will have no choice but to hire them, because apparently in liberaly socialistic views those drugees are considered to be ill, and therefore can not be discriminated upon for their "condition" ), get extra income from controling those drugs ( that income will be eaten up by the ever expaning socialistic government ), and US will have a reduction in drug trafficing ( it's easier to go to Canada and do all that stuff legaly, while still having a job and a family *oh what a picture*), reduction from drug trafficing means less taxes spend on fighting drugs, also the crime rate and incompetence should drop.

Now what do you have against that marvelous idea?

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Also, let me ad this to make some things more clear.

In relation to some kind of decease (cancer or otherwise) if you condition does not affect you performance then your standing with the employer shouldn't be affected either. However, if it does affect your performance, then the most your employer ows you is your original position back if/ and when you get better. Also, the same kind of tolerance should not extend to drug inflicted conditions (hangovers, high, or something permanent) because those conditions are self inflicted (be it casually, or addictively) and you yourself were responsible for those inflictions.

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I'm pretty sure the insurance companies will not go for legalizing any drug that impairs some workers in any way. As it is now they can refuse to pay if you are found to be impaired and injure yourself. They are the driving force behind employee drug testing.

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tobacco and alchohol are legal. They are both drugs.

Problem is, if they legalized drugs, even if it was just "ze grassss" , the college system would FAIL inmediately.

Itd be like the 60's all over again man! You dig?

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Itd be like the 60's all over again man! You dig?

We are paying for those 60's right now. Their generatin is in power right now, and that's why we have a powerfull country that is falling to pieces. Also that's the reason that we have that child molester rape and murder an innocent child. You probably don't know that he has a previous record of child molestation and was arested and tried in 2 years ago. Well, because of the justice system in place, that was put in place by the 60's generation with their brains all smoked out, he was released, and got a chance to rape and now kill a child. Who is at fault here? It's not only him, it's also those who found him innocent, and the lawyer who defended him, and those who put this curent justice system in place.

My point is, people who are in power right now, grew up in the 60's, the era where drugs, sex and anything went. Well, as you can see, they turned this country into their image, and it aint' prety.

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I believe all drugs should be legalized (and thus regulated). That would solve a number of problems.

1. The MASSIVE amounts of money going into the drug war with no real effect. If legalized, the criminal element would no longer have a foothold because companies would start mass producing the drugs, prices would drop, and it wouldn't be worth their while to do it in the "back-alley", and it'd always be "safer" when regulated.

2. The overcrowding of prisons and the court systems with people using drugs. Why lock up people who decide to hurt themselves? It's their own choice to be morons, let them.

3. Getting rid of the total "demonization" of the drugs which makes a lot of people want to do them. Society makes them "bad", so people rebel. The less "bad" they are portrayed to be, the less of a "thrill" they would be.

4. Killing off morons. If drugs are legalized, total morons who WANT to do drugs that never had the money or the skill to get them before, will be able to...and then die. Less idiots in the world.

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Originally posted by Dredd:

I believe all drugs should be legalized (and thus regulated). That would solve a number of problems.

1. The MASSIVE amounts of money going into the drug war with no real effect. If legalized, the criminal

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the money or the skill to get them before, will be able to...and then die. Less idiots in the world.

Well you have some good arguments about that - as long as I don't have to be affected -directly or inderectly, i suppose it's ok. Here, they've regulated ALOT the areas where you can smoke or can't. And if you're over the 0.08 limit of alcohol in your blood while driving, you WILL get arrested. Zero tolerance they say.

But I don't want to breathe what other kill themwselves with. I don't want to sting myself unintentionally over a leftover sting in the park. I don't want to be beaten by someone who's freaked out.

i remmeber holding my breath at the entrance of the school because so many people were smoking either tobacco or weed...

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