OEM P4 Consumers Rebel

[GREG MILLER]

Readem and weep!

I still want to see someone compare a 1.7Ghz AthlonXP, with a 1.7Ghz Pentium4. If the Plantiffs were smart, they would do just that, right in front of the Judge and Jury.

[Guest $iLk]

From what I understand, clock speed are accurate. Each one runs at 1.7 GHZ, the difference is in system performance, which varies dependant upon which applications you are running. AMD runs better with some apps, Intel runs better with others.

I find the lawsuit baseless, considering all information is clearly available from Intel's own website about the specs of each processor,mobo, etc.

[Guest Grayfox]

actually athlon runs better on ALL apps but one. cant remember which one... i think it was a certain media type.

other than that athlon whupped intel.

[PowerCow]

Pentium 4 has a (purposely) longer instruction pipeline (or something like that) to enable it to reach higher MHZ speeds without necessarily performing well.

AMD did not use this marketing trick with its Athlon XP's, and instead invented the Quanti-Speed naming instead (where a Athlon XP 1800+ = ~1500MHZ)

And this is the new argument about MHZ clock speeds, CPU manufactorers can significantly raise the MHz (but not performance) with tricks (what Intel did). This is also why you see lesser MHz Athlon XP's out performing p4's (or at least being on par with).

[ 08-19-2002, 03:38 AM: Message edited by: PowerCow ]

[Guest]

Hey PowerCow, where the hell did you come from?!!

[DraconisRex]

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Originally posted by $iLk:

From what I understand, clock speed are accurate. Each one runs at 1.7 GHZ, the difference is in system performance, which varies dependant upon which applications you are running. AMD runs better with some apps, Intel runs better with others.

I find the lawsuit baseless, considering all information is clearly available from Intel's own website about the specs of each processor,mobo, etc.

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An average user couldn't begin to understand most of what is on the Intel site... They should have set real standards 5 years ago....

Intel tricked the average user with its talk of MHz, which is nothing but horsepower. But, if the transmission is not up to par, you still can only go as fast as its limits. (A system is only as fast as its slowest device. Period.)

Let's assume that you have an Athlon computer with two hard drives. One of those is just big enough for the operating system, but the other is a huge, 40 GB hard drive with all the programs you want.

However, the 2nd hard drive is hooked up to an onboard controller that is exactly as fast as a floppy's controller.

Exactly how fast is BCM going to run on that system? The screens will draw fast (once they load...) Oh, it might run okay, but the problem is this: If it takes several hours to leave Earth's orbit, is it playable?

My point is this: Anything with a bottleneck slows down a system. Upping the MHz in a computer is nice, but if the rest of the system isn't matching it, it's pointless. Since MHz is the standard that most people use, then Intel cheated with psychological marketing.

What needs to happen is this: An outside agency needs to set a performance standard for all computers, based on office, internet, system-intensive games (like BCM), etc. But they can't just set that standard and let it go. It has to become a "living standard", since programs and operating systems change, and are quite fluid in that change.

The major problem is this: there are several versions of Windows, and there are varying degrees of differences in performance between them. For example, Windows XP running most software is a heck of a lot faster than Windows for Workgroups (3.11) At the same time, Windows 98 will run some programs that XP won't even attempt (even with compatability set -- with XP, there are just a few programs it won't run.)

So.... What do you do? We can't give it to the govenment (although we could let our government run drug trafficking for a few weeks to rid us of that problem -- everything they touch goes bankrupt!), as they are too slow. Magazines aren't unbiased, as they claim -- who do you think pays their advertising? PC stores are in the same boat (or is that bed?) So, who can we trust to do it?

[Guest Grayfox]

me! ill do it!!! i need a few volunteers though

[Soback]

I have a P4 1.6 and I am VERY happy with it. It runs all the games great, and after my last upgrade (from P3 533) it's a very noticable performance jump (no slowdowns). The only slowdowns I will have is when my HD gets down to about 2gigs free space (which says that it's more of a HD being filled rather than proc. slowdown), and after I reformat/reinstall, it runs faster than falcon dives (200+ mph ). So that lawsuit is pure *censored*, and I hopey they not only loose but get countersued by Intel for image defamation.