America's Path

Kalshion · December 17, 2002

Would it be appropriate for me to post this?? if not then please delete.

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I was discussing America's Path with my dad and few of my other friends and its come to my attention, that America is not going on the right path, We help out foriegn nations yet we don't help our own. We don't keep our nose's out of other peoples bussiness{SP} *Pakastan(SP) vs Iraq for instense* thats none of our bussiness.

What about everyone else here? what are your opinions about where America is going.. and what do you feel might be our future *this is also a school project, so you could say im gathering information* And sense this is the only Mature board I can find that doesn't flame someone for posting stuff like this I decided to post it here

Anyway what are you comments?

[ 12-17-2002, 06:04 PM: Message edited by: Kalshion ]

DraconisRex · December 17, 2002

Cadet, based strictly on what others have posted here (myself included), your post is accepable. In fact, a lot of what we have been discussing is the fact that America is screwed up, has no culture of its own anymore (for all intents and purposes), and its representatives do whatever their gut, loins, or palm-reader tells them to. There is little actual regard to what the people, this nation's owners, want them to do.

You are right; we don't flame each other. Our great leader, the SC, has an excellent button called "delete", which can be used on any upstart that breaks that simple rule.

My dad always says, "Government won't, managers won't, and workers don't."

Between the lower federal courts, the Infernal Revenue Service (intentional misspelling), and this new Fatherland Security Act, we have very few rights. I am happy to see that the US Supreme Court is finally going to decide on the 2nd Amendment, and whether the term "militia" includes individual's rights. This may not go our way, based on how definitions have changed over the years...

As far as other governments are concerned -- if they're staying out of our affairs, and those of other countries, I think we should basically leave them alone.

We need to go back to the written law of the Constitution, not the anal sideways interpretation that prevails in the courts. Ah, but as far as the effectiveness of Congress, I think this says it best:

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The opposite of pro is con,

This is plainly seen,

If progress means move forward,

What must Congress mean?

- Nipsy Russell,

Matchgame '79

Menchise · December 18, 2002

Here are some classic quotes for you to think about.

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"Too bad that all the people who really know how to run the country are busy driving taxi cabs and cutting hair"

- George Burns

"I say one evil empire down... one to go."

- Michael Moore

"The reason we start a war is to fight a war, win a war, thereby causing no more war!"

- George Walker Bush

"As long as people believe in absurdities, they will continue to commit atrocities...Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."

- Voltaire

"When I was coming up, it was a dangerous world and we knew exactly who the they were. It was us versus them and it was clear who them was. Today, we're not so sure who the they are, but we know they're there."

- George Walker Bush

"Beware the leader who bangs the drum of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor. For patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and patriotism, will offer up all of their rights to the leader and gladly so. How do I know? For this is what I have done."

- Julius Caesar

"If the Nuremberg laws were applied, then every post-war American president would have been hanged"

- Noam Chomsky

"I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country....corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed. I feel at this moment more anxiety for the safety of my country than ever before, even in the midst of war."

- Abraham Lincoln

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Kalshion · December 18, 2002

Very good quotes to..

AllenKG2001 · December 18, 2002

I feel things are getting bad. Not just there in America but over here in England to. I can't speak for other countries but I feel that the system is not working and is beginning to be unable to cope with our countries demands and needs.

We now seem to have a problem with English pensions and it has been said that we may need to retire at the age of 65 and then after this work on a part time basis until the age of 70. This will be a problem to those who will be unable to work at this age!

To me it doesn't seem like this democracy system we have is really working the way it should. Our government leaders gave themselves a pay increase some time ago but when the firefighters demanded an increase, the people who stick their lives on the line every time they go to work and who only get paid ┬ú21k P/A, nothing happens!

Our tax money seems to go towards paying for alot of unecessary and even inmoral causes (abortion, contraceptives to school children).

We even don't have a half decent grant system anymore for college students. It pays for materials but only a certain amount thats probably not even worth bothering with.

The above reasons and many more are why I no longer pay any tax to our country. I get paid in cash so I'm gonna keep every penny of it and pay only the causes I feel necessary. I have my own pension account, I pay rent in cash, I suppose I only pay VAT when buying from stores but avoid them where possible (buy from other sources).

I say F*** the government!

Raven · December 18, 2002

Oh dear, this is just lovely.

Nice quotes Menchise, a pleasant change to see you post something I like even if I can't agree with all of it.

LBM, what can I say, I don't know much about England, but I'm not sure I agree with some of your sentiments. There is nothing immoral about abortion; it's much better then having another unwanted child who is going to turn into a dysfunctional adult. Think of it as preemptive execution. As for contraception to school children, it's better then if they need it and don't have it. We don't need more useless people (except maybe to increase property prices, but that's something else entirely).

As for taxes, well, whatever works. Just make sure you don't get in trouble and that the effort to avoid paying taxes is worth the money saved.

AllenKG2001 · December 18, 2002

I say immoral as it is to the catholic church. I myself am not catholic but still belive in standards. People who have a child at a bad time should have worn protection to prevent pregnacy and school kids should buy their own F***ing contraceptives, why should I pay for them!

More to the point, the money could be better spent elsewhere. Our NHS for example! My mother who had breast cancer spent 6 hours waiting in the hospital only to be told that they could not see her on that day. The waiting times have gone up.

The government don't give me anything so I don't give them anything. The Tax people did get in contact with me about me tax payments which I sorted by giving company names who are in liquidation at mo. Admittaly I do not always work like this and there are times where I do work and pay tax but when I can I avoid it.

December 18, 2002

The main thing that is wrong in the US is that the Constitution has been hijacked by a bunch of socialists.

It has destroyed this country in less then 75 years. It will take us years to recover it, or a full blown revolution to get it back.

The politicians think only of their next reelection and ignore their oaths to the constitution.

Corporations have fled the country due to extreme government regulation and taxation, the american people have lost their drive due to welfare and nanny state government. The American people are taxed more then at any other time in history.

The straw that breaks the camels back is coming, it is only a matter of time. The question is are we going to have enough REAL americans to fight to get our country back, or has the government succeeded in making enough sheeple, where they can pretty much do whatever they want?

Raven · December 18, 2002

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I say immoral as it is to the catholic church. I myself am not catholic but still belive in standards. People who have a child at a bad time should have worn protection to prevent pregnacy and school kids should buy their own F***ing contraceptives, why should I pay for them!

I have standards too darling, but I'm more sensible about that kind of thing then you. People should be able to do whatever they like, within reason, so long as they don't go around blatantly doing antisocial activities (murder, rape, theft, etc.). As for the catholic church, well, I couldn't care less what there ideas of morality are, unless I want a good laugh.

Besides, the way the system works these days you either pay a few cents for contraceptive or else you pay through the nose for teen mothers to raise there brats on welfare, or better yet they get put up for adoption and guess who pays for them until they get dumped on some one, that's right, the taxpayers.

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More to the point, the money could be better spent elsewhere. Our NHS for example! My mother who had breast cancer spent 6 hours waiting in the hospital only to be told that they could not see her on that day. The waiting times have gone up.

You're not talking about government run hospitals are you? Bleh! Step up the bureaucratic inefficiency. Besides, I don't believe breast cancer requires immediate treatment, though I can understand your sentiments.

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The straw that breaks the camels back is coming, it is only a matter of time. The question is are we going to have enough REAL americans to fight to get our country back, or has the government succeeded in making enough sheeple, where they can pretty much do whatever they want?

Sheeple, I like that, it's so fitting. The government doesn't have to do all that much to make people into sheep, they're already pretty bovine to begin with, but I would have to say that should such a revolution occur it wouldn't have a very good chance of succeeding unless it was in the form of a military coup, and that has its own problems.

Põdi · December 18, 2002

Bovine = cattle

Ovine = sheep

Raven · December 18, 2002

Thank you darling, I knew bovine meant cattle, but I wasn't aware that ovine meant sheep. I don't think it matters really for what I'm saying though.

DraconisRex · December 18, 2002

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Originally posted by Paddy Gregory:

Bovine = cattle

Ovine = sheep

7 ducks, 10 chickens... About the same....

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Sheeple, I like that, it's so fitting. The government doesn't have to do all that much to make people into sheep, they're already pretty bovine to begin with, but I would have to say that should such a revolution occur it wouldn't have a very good chance of succeeding unless it was in the form of a military coup, and that has its own problems.

Depends on the type of military coup. Some of our best soliders are old-timers in local, private militias. They scare the government far more than any of us semi-current soldiers, and with good reason.

scorchedearth · December 18, 2002

I pay my taxes and I still have money to buy everything I need and a lot of what I want, including really cool video games that some other taxed american had time and money to create...

I have the right to voice my opinion, which, as I understand it, is not allowed in some countries. I would never complain about my rights in this country... for I find I can pretty much do whatever the hell I want... as long as I don't hurt anybody else in some way.

I don't think these things would be true if I were growing up in, say, Iraq. Iraq, as I understand it, is one of those countries that would throw us into another World War unless we stepped in. I believe if we didn't kick'em outta Kuwait and demand to see their stockpiles o' stuff, the world would be a lot different today, and for the worse.

Government for the people, BY the people. A government is simply made out of people. The American Government is made out of people who are CHOSEN.

Hospitals are understaffed (it would seem). For my point, who cares why... for if I needed medical attention, my life in the balance, I'm sure I'd be treated, and well.

If I had breast cancer, I might have to wait a day.

Kevin Trotter · December 18, 2002

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The question is are we going to have enough REAL Americans...

posted by Jaguar

Okay I'll bite. Just who are these REAL americans? Stuff like that makes my blood boil.

If anyone has created "sheeple" (a truly disgusting term) It's been the corporations who have been successful in the "Malling" of our country turning it into a idolatrous , materialistic , me first society that is more concerned about the aquisition of things than they are about people. And when all else fails, lets dredge up a former lackey of the GOP's latest nation building project and demonize the shit out of him so no one asks why things are going so bad at home. Don't worry, be happy, buy more shit, spend more money. Rome had bread and circuses before it fell and we got SUV's and Starbucks.

Signed ,

An apparently unreal american

AllenKG2001 · December 18, 2002

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I have standards too darling, but I'm more sensible about that kind of thing then you. People should be able to do whatever they like, within reason, so long as they don't go around blatantly doing antisocial activities (murder, rape, theft, etc.). As for the catholic church, well, I couldn't care less what there ideas of morality are, unless I want a good laugh.

So your saying it's sensible that kids can do what they want and have babies in their teens when their not able to support them and then end up having to give them away for adoption.

No, this is NOT right because the baby will be born unwanted. Imagine how you would feel to have been born not actually wanted but just because two teens wanted to have a moment of fun!

The money to pay for the adoption should be paid fully by those who are stupid enough to land themselves in a situation where they have a child they cannot support. If you make a mistake, you should pay for it. I also feel that any man who is the father of any child that is adopted should pay child support for that child until the kid is of a certain age where they can look after themselves. WHY should I pay for other peoples mistakes.

I'm talking standards that should be employed everywhere. Children should be advised about wearing protection but NOT encouraged! I would not want my daughter having a child when she's in her teens and then having to give it away.

Having sensible standards is controling these problems. Allowing people to be free but not allowing them to hurt themselves or others.

You may laugh at the church, but isn't your country supposed to be a GOD loving country. Ours was once but now it is corupted and that is why the system is going down.

weegee_101 · December 18, 2002

Typically I stay quiet in these forums because of my passion to my causes, but I can't hold back this time.

Disclaimer: This is not a flame, this is simply a debate. Any uses of the word ignorance or similar terms should be taken as a wake up call.

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Originally Posted by Blerm:

Government for the people, BY the people. A government is simply made out of people. The American Government is made out of people who are CHOSEN.

Thank you. Its about time someone says this. I don't care what others scream, the government DOES work for us. The people voice their needs through lobbying and petitioning, sends it to the government, and you know what, the government puts it into consideration. Then YOU, the citizen, must voice your opinion publicly, politically, and to your Representative. That is how the American government works. Anybody who feels elsewise is deaf and dumb, not to mention blind. I don't know about Great Britain, but I'm almost POSITIVE they have a similar system.

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Originally Posted by Jaguar:

The politicians think only of their next reelection and ignore their oaths to the constitution.

Do they? Are you absolutly sure. Have you read the minutes for the House or Senate lately. I don't think a single one of them has mentioned anything about re-election while on the stand? Perhaps its just that the media rarely shows anything other than politicians talking about re-election. Ever watch one of those morning talk shows? Almost always the politician interviewed will be asked if they're going to run for re-election or not. Please. Spare me, actually get some decent evidence before making such false accusations.

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Originally Posted by Jaguar:

Corporations have fled the country due to extreme government regulation and taxation, the american people have lost their drive due to welfare and nanny state government. The American people are taxed more then at any other time in history.

Regulation is important. Without regulation we'd have one company owning the entire nation. Take Microsoft for example, had they not been punished for their illegal actions then in about, oh say 20 years we could well be STUCK with using the shoddy Windows operating system.

Taxes are also important. Have you ever heard of the government deficit. Its one reason for inflation. Taxes help to lower the addition to the deficit by supporting government programs. Taxes are needed to have a decent government. Go and pick up a copy of the national budget before screaming for lower taxes.

Welfare, I feel is abused. I also think its something that should not be removed, but revised. Too many people start getting welfare checks then sitting on their asses. But thats not the government's problem completely. Granted, they could revise the system, but its the citizens problem mainly. I feel that welfare should be revised to where if you work, or are actively trying to get a job (and by that I mean you have applied for several jobs), then you should get welfare. When you loose your job, you should recieve it for one month, no more, no less. Why? Simple. It only should take about a month to find another job, no matter what it is. If you are that poor with that little money in your savings, work is work. I don't think that getting rid of welfare will help the taxation problem either. Taxes should still stay the same for the sake of trying to get rid of the deficit.

The American people never lost their drive, most never had one. Its the people like you and me that make changes. That doesn't mean the others arn't American, they just are too uneducated to really care.

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Originally Posted by LBM:

Our tax money seems to go towards paying for alot of unecessary and even inmoral causes (abortion, contraceptives to school children).

What about rapists. What about poor families who can't afford to pay for a mentally ill child? Think of that before you go screaming about abortion being immoral. Its the parents choice to make the decision, not yours. If you really think it is your decision, your definitly not for freedom or for democracy. Making decisions for other individuals sounds more or less facist to me. Adoption is an alternative, but some people feel better by aborting the child. Don't know why, I don't ask, but I'm sure they have their reasons.

As for contraceptives to school children, thats only because the parents aren't doing their part. If the parents actually acted like parents and talked to their children about sex and other, shall we say sins, then I'm almost positive that the rate of teen pregnancies would go down. If you a parent, its your job to talk to your children about such things, not the schools.

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Originally Posted by LBM:

The government don't give me anything so I don't give them anything. The Tax people did get in contact with me about me tax payments which I sorted by giving company names who are in liquidation at mo. Admittaly I do not always work like this and there are times where I do work and pay tax but when I can I avoid it.

Thats your choice to cheat your government. How do you know they don't give you anything. Do you have a police department? How about a fire department? What about hospitals? Thats all I feel I need to say. If you really think they don't give you any type of service or anything, then you really need to look into the matters.

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Originally Posted by LBM:

You may laugh at the church, but isn't your country supposed to be a GOD loving country. Ours was once but now it is corupted and that is why the system is going down.

The United States is a god loving country. God though, is not defined as God. What I mean by this is we have a freedom to religion. God when used in that sense means ANY god, whether it be God, Allah, Jesus, the Creator, hell, even Zeus. If your country is corrupted thats its own fault. The people have the power to make it whatever they want in a democratic state.

Thats what I feel, if you feel insulted, fine, I get insulted during debates with people all the time. Insult just happens to be one of the side effects about debating over any issue. Just brush it off, get off your knees, and give some intelligent supportable reply, perhaps something that may insult the person back.

Now then, I'm going to go back to working on my stuff concerning my local school system and how its caring to much about standardized test scores and punishment and not enough about teaching actual KNOWLEDGE. That is another story though.

This was relaxing.

Raven · December 18, 2002

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Just who are these REAL americans? Stuff like that makes my blood boil.

If anyone has created "sheeple" (a truly disgusting term) It's been the corporations who have been successful in the "Malling" of our country turning it into a idolatrous , materialistic , me first society that is more concerned about the aquisition of things than they are about people.

I'm not sure, I imagine Jaguar was speaking of people who are patriots and who believe in the precepts of this country and all of that. As for corporations turning our population into an ovine heard (thanks again Paddy Gregory), you forgot to mention TV (trashvision). It's easily the most degenerate form of entertainment that has ever been available, ever, and it's produced in huge quantities.

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So your saying it's sensible that kids can do what they want and have babies in their teens when their not able to support them and then end up having to give them away for adoption.

No, this is NOT right because the baby will be born unwanted. Imagine how you would feel to have been born not actually wanted but just because two teens wanted to have a moment of fun!

The money to pay for the adoption should be paid fully by those who are stupid enough to land themselves in a situation where they have a child they cannot support. If you make a mistake, you should pay for it. I also feel that any man who is the father of any child that is adopted should pay child support for that child until the kid is of a certain age where they can look after themselves. WHY should I pay for other peoples mistakes.

Darling, you're preaching to the choir. I'm a firm believer in not paying for other peoples mistakes, in any form. That said, abortion seams to be an ideal solution for everyone, it gets rid of the unwanted baby, it prevents financial strain on everyone, and it helps with the population problem.

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I'm talking standards that should be employed everywhere. Children should be advised about wearing protection but NOT encouraged! I would not want my daughter having a child when she's in her teens and then having to give it away.

Darling, I'm missing something here. You want teens to have sex without protection? No? Well that's what you're advocating. I'll let you in on a little secret about condoms; the only failure is operator failure. I'll let you in on another little secret, no one is encouraging teens to have sex, only to use protection when they do (and, perhaps more importantly, making sure they know how). Now, it seams to me that this is advantageous. Teens are going to have sex, nothing you can do about that and, so long as they take proper precautions, there's nothing wrong with it.

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Having sensible standards is controling these problems. Allowing people to be free but not allowing them to hurt themselves or others.

People can hurt themselves as much as they like, it's there right and privilege as human beings, but I agree, they shouldn't be allowed to hurt others (or more to the point, they shouldn't be allowed to hurt me, I really couldn't care less what they do to each other).

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You may laugh at the church, but isn't your country supposed to be a GOD loving country. Ours was once but now it is corupted and that is why the system is going down.

GOD? Sorry darling, I'm not familiar with that acronym.

Seriously though, I couldn't care less about religion, unless someone is trying to stuff there morals down my throat, then I find religion real easy to loath.

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I don't think a single one of them has mentioned anything about re-election while on the stand?

Of course not, but that would be self defeating. What about the pork barrel politics, the gerrymandering, is that all just for something to do with there spare time? Didn't think so. Of course they're after reelection, it's a fundamental part of our system (you do what the people want because you want to be reelected), but the thing is that our population doesn't care much about the constitution either.

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Regulation is important. Without regulation we'd have one company owning the entire nation. Take Microsoft for example, had they not been punished for their illegal actions then in about, oh say 20 years we could well be STUCK with using the shoddy Windows operating system.

Agreed, ideals never work, be it an unregulated economy or a totally government controlled one. The trick is to find the best balance, and I don't believe that is being done.

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Taxes are also important. Have you ever heard of the government deficit. Its one reason for inflation. Taxes help to lower the addition to the deficit by supporting government programs.

And, as I'm sure Jaguar will tell you, we need to reduce government spending. Reducing taxes would be nice, reducing spending is essential. The federal government was never supposed to be able to spend like this, just pick up a copy of the constitution and you'll figure that out.

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Welfare, I feel is abused. I also think its something that should not be removed, but revised. Too many people start getting welfare checks then sitting on their asses. But thats not the government's problem completely. Granted, they could revise the system, but its the citizens problem mainly.

Yes darling, welfare could be made better, and if nothing else is possible that is an option, but the question is why have welfare to begin with? Why should I have to dish out money to prop up, or even help support, some looser who can't get a job that pays enough? Or who has too many children? This is no ones responsibility but the person who it happens to.

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I don't think that getting rid of welfare will help the taxation problem either. Taxes should still stay the same for the sake of trying to get rid of the deficit.

Peachy, I have no problem with that, if the government could reduce it's spending to a more appropriate level and keep taxes the same to get rid of the deficit then that would be great. Even building up a surplus would be nice. I don't much like the idea of paying for decades of wasteful spending, but if that's what it takes, then that's what it takes.

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The American people never lost their drive, most never had one. Its the people like you and me that make changes. That doesn't mean the others arn't American, they just are too uneducated to really care.

So very true. None the less, the government is making it a lot easier to have less drive and survive.

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Adoption is an alternative, but some people feel better by aborting the child. Don't know why, I don't ask, but I'm sure they have their reasons.

Don't forget what a blast pregnancy is supposed to be, avoiding that is excuse enough for an abortion.

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If you really think they don't give you any type of service or anything, then you really need to look into the matters.

Or move.

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Thats what I feel, if you feel insulted, fine, I get insulted during debates with people all the time.

You've said nothing insulting, trust me on that.

Kalshion · December 18, 2002

*eyes hurt now after reading so much* I never expected you guys to really talk about this.. it sirprise'd me

Now, what im about to say is in no way offensive toward any race,class, or country.

Has anyone notice'd that how our country *USA* is not doing a damn thing to stop illigel imigation *Specking fondly of Hispanics* They come in with illigel papers and get a job, that job DOES NOT check to see if there legal or not cause they can pay the Hispanic only 5 dollers an hour.

Its that reason why America is turning into ****. Corporations don't give a shit about there employees all they want to do is save a few bucks, so they hire someone LESS experience'd and Less qualifed than the person who has a Bachlers Degree and CCIS Degree.

I have proof about this happening, infact the proof is all over the place.

Now having sead that.

Anyone ever had a problem where the school would FORCE you, yes I mean FORCE you to learn something?? well normaly im willing to learn a subject, but with what my school is doing is wrong, there forcing me to learn a language I don't WANT to learn. I want to learn Japanses,Germen, and Chnises*SP* those are the 3 languages that interest me the most, I don't want to learn a language that im not interested in. The admininistations knows me well enough that if they force me to learn that language next year I will sue them! and so will my father, sister and nearly half the students at the school who agree with me

Now tell me my school is wrong.

As for all that...

The democraps*Thats what we call them at school* only care about themselfs and hispanic vote. Thats why they promiss all sorts of stuff toward the hispanic population.. when they get in office.. well well SIRPRISE! they don't do anything that they sead they would.

Anywho everything i sead is the way I see it, the hispanics coming over illigely.. NOW i have NO PROBLEM at all with those who come legally, its only those who come illigely are the ones i have a problem with.

ok heres another question... why is it we can pay 16 Millinium to put a border around Afganistand... yet we don't have enough money to help our people?? someone see a problem there?

AllenKG2001 · December 18, 2002

Right, where shall I begin....

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What about rapists. What about poor families who can't afford to pay for a mentally ill child? Think of that before you go screaming about abortion being immoral. Its the parents choice to make the decision, not yours. If you really think it is your decision, your definitly not for freedom or for democracy. Making decisions for other individuals sounds more or less facist to me. Adoption is an alternative, but some people feel better by aborting the child. Don't know why, I don't ask, but I'm sure they have their reasons.

Rapists should have their nob choped off. The ability to identify the father is much easier nowadays. Abortion is another word for murder. NO question about it. To terminate a child is to MURDER a child. Adoption is unfair and cruel. Being born then passed on to someone else is outright rejection of a person. WHY can't you see this! THESE TWO THINGS ARE WRONG!!!!

I had girlfriends in my early teens but I never made any of them pregnant. This was due to respect of moralities from my mothers catholic beliefs.

I will accept that a woman who is made pregnant by a rapist should be given support as it was not her fault. Any other excuse is NOT valid and NOT my problem.

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As for contraceptives to school children, thats only because the parents aren't doing their part. If the parents actually acted like parents and talked to their children about sex and other, shall we say sins, then I'm almost positive that the rate of teen pregnancies would go down. If you a parent, its your job to talk to your children about such things, not the schools.

Again, like I said, we need a higher standard in what is right and what is wrong publicaly presented. TV is a high source of coruption and so is the radio. Next time you turn the radio on, listen to what half the songs are about and you'll see what I mean why coruption spread publicaly. THIS NEEDS TO BE CONTROLLED!!!

Children bearly in their teens are getting involved in relationships is not right. This is because of modern day acceptance. Young children listening to songs about cheating on boyfriends/girlfriends is not a good role model to live by.

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The United States is a god loving country. God though, is not defined as God. What I mean by this is we have a freedom to religion. God when used in that sense means ANY god, whether it be God, Allah, Jesus, the Creator, hell, even Zeus.

My point exactly.

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Darling, I'm missing something here. You want teens to have sex without protection? No? Well that's what you're advocating. I'll let you in on a little secret about condoms; the only failure is operator failure. I'll let you in on another little secret, no one is encouraging teens to have sex, only to use protection when they do (and, perhaps more importantly, making sure they know how). Now, it seams to me that this is advantageous. Teens are going to have sex, nothing you can do about that and, so long as they take proper precautions, there's nothing wrong with it.

I think I worded my statment wrong there. What I'm saying is children should not be encourage to have sex at their young age. YES they should be told how to use protection but encouraged not to practice it at a time when they are to young to follow though if they do become pregnant. To be honest though, I dont give a S*** if they do, I just don't want to pay for their supidness. Having a child at their age is their choice not mine. They make the mistake, they pay for it!

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People can hurt themselves as much as they like, it's there right and privilege as human beings, but I agree, they shouldn't be allowed to hurt others (or more to the point, they shouldn't be allowed to hurt me, I really couldn't care less what they do to each other).

Yep, OK.

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GOD? Sorry darling, I'm not familiar with that acronym.

Seriously though, I couldn't care less about religion, unless someone is trying to stuff there morals down my throat, then I find religion real easy to loath.

I couldn't give a F*** about it either. You'll never find me down a church but is does has some good standards which if followed provide a better lifestyle for all of us. For anyone to be able to live together in harmony we need a set of rules of what is right and what is wrong. The church provides these rules.

That's all I'll say for now as I'm busy but will be back...

weegee_101 · December 18, 2002

Here's my reply.

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