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The George Washington and her support group have been given orders to be ready to get out of dodge in 96 hours. She has been back 1 week.

Bombers, b-52's, eagles, b-1's etc have all been given orders to move to the gulf region in the next 14 days.

US Army units and reserve units have been put on active standby, 96 hour alert status.

Guess what?

Saddam is just about toast.

by the end of the month, we will have 6-7 carrier groups in the gulf region and all assets will be in place.

IT'S ALMOST TIME!!!

Yo, Saddam, BUH BYE!!!

Update: the Harry S Truman, our MOST modern Aircraft Carrier, and it's support ships have just set sail from France to the Persian Gulf.

Also, the Kittyhawk, out of Japan, has been put on standby as well, but for totally different reasons. Can anyone guess what that would be?

[ 12-27-2002, 06:11 PM: Message edited by: Jaguar ]

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Yep. Despite the fact that the weapons inspectors have found nothing, the US military is prepared to invade within a fortnight. Despite claiming to have evidence of WMD, the US government has provided none of it to the weapons inspectors, making their innuendo of incompetence diabolical at best.

Bye Saddam. Remember to say hi to the next brutal dictator on your way out. If you have time, you can give him the guided tour, and remind him to beware of Americans bearing gifts (e.g. gas, viruses, bacteria, and probably nukes), because they expect total obedience in return, regardless of what the Iraqi people want. Also, remind him to keep his troops prepared for war, just in case Bush decides that Iran is a threat to national security and patriotic Americans believe him without question, although he may decide that China is a threat instead, in which case the new dictator can attack Iran anyway and receive a pat on the back from Rumsfeld for taking the initiative, and saving time for the United States Imperial Army to attack elsewhere.

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THat whole statement above is the most ridiculous socialistic rant I have heard in a while.

Sorry Menchise, you are clueless as to what is ACTUALLY going on.

That's OK, live in your lala land of fantasy. The adults are in charge now, and now China is not on the list, but North Korea is, and then Iran will fall on it's own.

And the US will not HOLD Iraq, we are for Regime change, this imperialistic crap you spout, is just that.

CRAP!!!

BUH BYE SADDAM!!

Blix is almost as bad as you are, if he ignores the problem and plays nice, maybe Saddam will become a nice benevolent dictator, instead of a nut with nukes and other WMD's, that enjoys shooting his family doctor, that allows his sons to run rampant killing and raping his own citizens, or telling his military to gas whole villages of his own citizens. Yeah, that's the ticket.

Remember WWII Menichise?

I for some reason seriously doubt it, look up Neville chamberlain, to give yourself a clue.

[ 12-27-2002, 07:43 PM: Message edited by: Jaguar ]

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Regardless, before we move in, I for one would like to SEE the evidence that we have that Saddam has Weapons of Mass Destruction.

That's not too much to ask... after all, he's telling us what the evidence says but isn't showing it to us. Why?

Show it before the first shot is fired.

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China is not on the list, but North Korea is

China was the US government's favourite bogeyman before 9/11. North Korea borders with China. Do the math.

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Iran will fall on it's own.

What leads you to that conclusion?

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And the US will not HOLD Iraq, we are for Regime change, this imperialistic crap you spout, is just that.

I did not say that the US government would occupy Iraq, and occupation is not the only means of imperialism. The US government will replace Saddam with another puppet dictator, hence changing the regime. It's a sanitary euphemism for imperialism.

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Blix is almost as bad as you are, if he ignores the problem and plays nice, maybe Saddam will become a nice benevolent dictator

It is not Blix's job to overthrow Saddam. The problem he's facing is the prospect of WMD in Iraq, and claiming that he ignores that problem is a lie. Claiming that weapons inspectors "play nice" is another lie. No one is expecting Saddam to become a "nice benevolent dictator" as a result of the weapons inspections. The whole point of the inspections is to confirm that he is a disarmed dictator, and to keep it that way with UN monitors.

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Remember WWII Menichise?

I for some reason seriously doubt it, look up Neville chamberlain, to give yourself a clue.

Neville Chamberlain did not have weapons inspectors and Saddam does not have Central Europe. Chamberlain had a piece of paper and Saddam has two-thirds of Iraq (barely). What's happening now is not appeasement, it's a confirmation and maintenance of disarmament. Your analogy is completely irrelevant.

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Regardless, before we move in, I for one would like to SEE the evidence that we have that Saddam has Weapons of Mass Destruction.

So does Blix, and every other weapons inspector who has been accused of incompetence.

[ 12-28-2002, 10:45 AM: Message edited by: Menchise ]

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Originally posted by Jaguar:

Also, the Kittyhawk, out of Japan, has been put on standby as well, but for totally different reasons. Can anyone guess what that would be?


N. Korea most probably. They've got it coming - and are a bigger threat than Saddamn could ever aspire to be.

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Originally posted by $iLk:

Regardless, before we move in, I for one would like to
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the evidence that we have that Saddam has Weapons of Mass Destruction.

That's not too much to ask... after all, he's telling us what the evidence says but isn't showing it to us. Why?

Show it before the first shot is fired.


I am 100% in agreement here. However, I have a sinking feeling that the evidence will come after the invasion begins. I simply cannot imagine Bush risking his political career by going to war without this proof - and without the support of the security council. I just can't imagine it. So, I have a feeling that there is a trump card hidden somewhere. And the reason they don't want to show evidence is that Saddamn may alleviate the threat, thereby killing any attempts of an attack. Bush wants Saddamn outta there (as do a a lot of people) and he's not going to give him an out by providing evidence which would allow Saddamn to remedy his actions.

[ 12-28-2002, 09:44 AM: Message edited by: Supreme Cmdr ]

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Does anyone notice something very important, and very scary.

The way these skirmishes are all unfolding, well if you look back in your history books, its how World War II started... Funny eh?

Well, I guess we'll be living in a nuclear holocaust in time, I knew it was inevitable...

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The way these skirmishes are all unfolding, well if you look back in your history books, its how World War II started... Funny eh?


does that mean we'll have to save france again?

seriously, i think itll stay as a conflict and not escalate into ww3. if it does i can hear the REMFS in service now ballin their eyes out, and the bleeding hearts crying their lil hearts out.

i'll just sit and wait for my activation letter in the mail... wont be the first time. im used to desert climate anyways

sappers set the pace babay

next stop, north korea, already did the year there, no big deal, after that who was next??? china??? anyone else wanna piece???

[ 12-28-2002, 04:53 PM: Message edited by: Grayfox ]

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Despite the fact that the weapons inspectors have found nothing, the US military is prepared to invade within a fortnight.

There is an old Archeology saying: "Absence of proof is not proof of absence."

Perhaps Bush is waiting until all the forces are in place before calling and playing his hand. Maybe he's lulling Hussein into complacency by letting him continue his shell games until we're ready to strike. Then Bush will lay it all out, the UN will move in, our inside assets will pull out, Saddam will obfuscate some more, the UN withdraws, then the US will strike before Hussein can use his PR machine to spin his way out.

Hussein will be the next foe to misunderestimate Bush.

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Personaly I don't know what the fuss is all about. However I to agree that there should be proof before going in.

Whats scares me more is when we get that proof, will it be found in a storage facility? or will it be found a 3 mile high cloud of nuclear particles raining down on one of our citys.. we saw what can be done to WTC, and we all know that nuclear devices are now able to be as small as a suitcase.

What im afred of is such an attack being on a holiday, New Years is the one day that im keeping my eyes and ears open.

I sure hope bush doesn't commence a full scale attack on saddam, it would be a mistake..

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Originally Posted by Kalshion:

Whats scares me more is when we get that proof, will it be found in a storage facility? or will it be found a 3 mile high cloud of nuclear particles raining down on one of our citys.. we saw what can be done to WTC, and we all know that nuclear devices are now able to be as small as a suitcase.

The chances of Saddam getting hold of such an advanced nuke is low, very low. Same goes for terrorist organizations. Unless Russia (or the United States) has someone steal and sell one from the stockpiles, its zero to none.

Knock on wood.

P.S. Oh, and if you're all that worried about Nuke fallout, move close to one of the ground zero points. Shorter death. I live near one (Kings Bay Naval Base) and I'm feelin great, knowing most of the slimeballs in the US are just gonna have to melt away from radiation poisioning and I'm just gonna kinda vaporize. Comforting isn't it?

[ 12-28-2002, 10:10 PM: Message edited by: Cmdr. WeeGee ]

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Bah! Saddam (or terrorists for that matter) isn't going to target naval bases; he's going to target centers of government and economy. Wallstreet, capital hill, etc. Any terrorist government that launches nukes at us is going to know they can't win in an extended war no matter how many naval bases they take out, and nukes are real expensive. Even if they have enough missiles to cripple our military, we'll blow them off the face of the planet.

No, there only chance as I can see it would be to try to throw our government into turmoil and threaten to launch more missiles unless certain terms are met. I doubt it would work, but it's got more of a chance then anything else.

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I'm talking about after flashpoint and we retaliate. We already know that if we launch nukes, so will every other nuke power. There, that's World War 3, lasts 4 days is my guess.

Just watch, if a nuke DOES go off in the United States and we retaliate there will be numerous nukes launched at us.

Oh, and don't think that Bush WON'T retaliate, I'm certain he's dumb enough to do it.

[ 12-28-2002, 10:38 PM: Message edited by: Cmdr. WeeGee ]

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does that mean we'll have to save france again?


I'm sure that once the shooting starts, the first German tourist to enter france is going to receive an unconditional surrender on behalf of the French government.

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Originally posted by $iLk:

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does that mean we'll have to save france again?


I'm sure that once the shooting starts, the first German tourist to enter france is going to receive an unconditional surrender on behalf of the French government.


LMAO!!!! Oh wait, that might not be funny
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I simply cannot imagine Bush risking his political career by going to war without this proof - and without the support of the security council. I just can't imagine it.

It wasn't as risky as it is now. When Bush started using the possibility of WMD as the pretext for war, he was gambling that Saddam would not allow the inspectors in, due to suspicions that they would be used for intelligence gathering for an invasion plan. Bush lost the gamble, but tried desperately to sway events in his favour by calling Saddam's invitation a trick. The international community didn't buy it, and the inspectors went in with unprecedented cooperation from the Iraqis. As the inspectors continue to find no WMD in what has now been a month of surprise visits to sensitive sites, the pretext for war is being nullified. Bush reacted to this with innuendos that the inspectors are incompetent. Blix was not impressed: he is now demanding to see the evidence that Bush claims to possess, so that the inspectors can know exactly where to look. The plot thickens with each passing day.

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And the reason they don't want to show evidence is that Saddamn may alleviate the threat, thereby killing any attempts of an attack.

Any justification for an attack on the basis of WMD has already been left for dead by the introduction of inspectors. The pretext was only effective as long as Iraq remained unchecked. If the inspectors find nothing after months of work, then it would indicate that Iraq is not a serious threat, but the big irony is that if the inspectors do find WMD, then the entire pretext for invasion would be dead and buried, because now you would have inspectors disarming Iraq without military force.

However, none of this really matters now, because Bush intends to attack anyway. He can't turn back now without losing the support of the Republicans, which would make him a one-term president if he's lucky.

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There is an old Archeology saying: "Absence of proof is not proof of absence."

There is an old legal saying: "Burden of proof."

There is another old legal saying: "Due process of law."

If this whole issue was being played out in a courtroom, the case would have been thrown out and the prosecutors disbarred.

[ 12-29-2002, 10:28 AM: Message edited by: Menchise ]

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Originally posted by Cmdr. WeeGee:

Oh, and don't think that Bush WON'T retaliate, I'm certain he's dumb enough to do it.

Excuse me!? so what your saying is that if we get attacked by nukes from a country that fired them that we should just sit on our asses!?

No! I highly disagree with that! from what you sead its almost like being in the school yard and getting beat up by someone bigger than you, you can't fight back cause .. oooooh you'll be suspended..... Spare Me! if we do get attacked I damn sure hope so that we retaliate!

To me

If you kill someone, then you deserve the same punishment

If you drawn an adult, you should be fit with the same punishment

If you stranggle *Im sorry to say this* a child, well.. you won't last long in prison.

You see what im talking about? We can't just sit around and do nothing about it. We know who attacked the WTC, how? the proof was all over the place..

the US is the superpower in this age.. that could all change in the next 10, maybe 20 or even 50 years.. we don't know... If mankind is smart enough not to fire off nukes then we will all live to see another year.

1 Nuke + 3 Nukes = Nuclear winter - that will lead to thousands, maybe even millions dead in a single hour. The US may be strong but we all know that there is nothing in this world that can sheild us from Nuclear Radiation Fall Out.

Why do you think Bush doesn't want to fire nukes? Becuase he knows the concecous*SP* of such an action.. a single nuke can render a place between 50 to even 100 miles uninhabitable, Now like I've heard we have hundreds of nukes here and there are many more outside the US. Whats to stop them from wreaklessly firing at US all because they think where unpure.

There is one alternative to Nukes.. We have all heard the rumors.. About a weapon in space.. My friends and I call it the ion cannon sense what it does is similer to that of in CnC.

Are the rumors true though? yes? no? maybe? we don't know..

[ 12-29-2002, 12:32 PM: Message edited by: Kalshion ]

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First off....if a country would lauch any nuclear weapons at us, not only would we retaliate, but our allie would too..after all you dont want your next enemy to be around if you can help it.

I dont think a war with iraq will lead to a WWIII..I dont see any repeat on history from WWI. WWI was started by the assasination on a prince and one country aiding another. If the US attacks Iraq, the "war" will last maybe a month. The majority will be in the cities with urban fighting. What other country will aid saddam? Who would be dumb enough to? Doing so you's be comitting political suicide..not to mention any other country doesnt have the military power of the US.

Also I remember seeing a report on Russia after the soviet Union collasped. Aperson had easy acess to nuclear product, infact an agent was able to gain access to a high level facility with just a credit card and some unsaid tools. Thats one of the reasons the US gave so much more to the russians. In this time, is it possible for someone to made off with something?

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There is an old legal saying: "Burden of proof."

There is another old legal saying: "Due process of law."

If this whole issue was being played out in a courtroom, the case would have been thrown out and the prosecutors disbarred.

The fact is that this isn't being played out in a courtroom, it will be played out on the battlefield. Platitudes (my own included) won't matter much.

The fact is that you are supposing as much as I am. You are supposing that Bush doesn't have the proof, therefore he is demagoging and will attack anyway in order to save face. I am supposing that Bush does have the proof and is waiting for the opportune moment to provide it.

Other "facts" to consider are that, initially, the world was against Bush, but slowly, they are signing on. I wonder what made the other countries change their minds. I doubt that Bush is so powerful that he forced the leaders of the other countries to change their tunes without "evidence" of some kind.

Weegee:

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I'm talking about after flashpoint and we retaliate. We already know that if we launch nukes, so will every other nuke power.

Who? and Why?

Of the nuclear powers who would respond, why would they? This isn't a MAD (mutually assured destruction) scenario like in the cold war. Would Russia launch against us if we launched against Iraq (with Russia's knowledge and consent)? Britain? China? India? Pakistan (only if truly infiltrated)? Israel? France?

Why would the planet "light up" if we used nukes in Iraq?

Now, if Saddam launches against Israel if we attack, and then Israel retaliates, then in an odd way that proves Bush's hypothesis that Iraq had WMD all along, doesn't it?

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Now,

I am going to tell Menchise about something that he obviously has no clue about.

Iraq has already threatened to attack Israel with WMD's if he is attacked by us.

If he indeed does NOT have WMD's. why would he say such a thing? Also, if he does have them, does that mean that we should NOT take him out?

Sorry Menchise, but you are living in a dreamworld. The proof is there, really easy for US to find, but the fact is that we are not going to show that trump card until it is time.

Our allies are behind us, why would they be if we had no proof?

We are going to take out Saddam, BECAUSE he is crazy enough to use WMD's, and he is Crazy enough to give them to terrorists who would use them against us!! He will be taken out, end of January, beginning of February. He's done, HE'S OUTTA THERE!!

If he attacks Israel, then he is dead, because Israel has been given the green light to attack with whatever she's got, and I don't think that I have to go into specifics, do I?

This is gonna be quick, targeted, and complete within a week, then Iraq will be rebuilt, with a democratic government, and then Iran will fall, then Saudi will fall, then MOST dictatorships in the middle east will fall to be replaced with secular democracies, watch the roll Turkey has when this occurs.

North Korea will be next, I almost guarantee, if North Korea does NOT chill out, by the end of May, we will be taking them out as well, and letting South Korea pick up the pieces.

China, will then be the ONLY communist nation left on this earth, and will be close behind with a democracy and capitalist society right behind.

Reagan destroyed the Soviet Union, without firing a shot, Bush 43 will destroy the remainder of dictatorships and communists by using what Reagan gave him militarily. Clinton came close to destroying our military, but thank goodness we had a house and senate with a little bit more sense.

The world is about to change BIG time, and YOUR favorite form of government will be placed on the ashheap of history where it belongs!!

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well, it seems every country can now have a nuclear weapons program... so the who is pretty much moot. we do know the big boys: USSR, China, N. Korea, Cuba (castro aint dead yet) now as to the why??? there could be hundreds of reasons.

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The chances of Saddam getting hold of such an advanced nuke is low, very low

a nuke is a nuke... whether its a suitcase nuke, or a dirty one, its still a nuke. sucks all the paint off your house, and gives your family a permanent orange afro.

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I'm sure that once the shooting starts, the first German tourist to enter france is going to receive an unconditional surrender on behalf of the French government.


LMAO!! ok im not the only one who thought that.

as for saddam wanting to attack israel... hed be better off fighting the US and the coalition... at least we would give him quarter, the israelis wont. and yes he is stupid enough (calling him crazy is an insult to the mentally challenged) to use WMD's . hello??? remember this is the clown that gassed half his population on purpose... or did you just happen to conveniently forget that??? AND he was stupid enough to attack kuwait KNOWING we would whoop his ass.

i guess he thought Bush the elder was bluffing... and now i guess he thinks junior is too... boy is he in for a surprise.

As for north korea... well our technology and military tactics have changed in the 50 odd years since the last conflict, and i dont think china would be so eager to jump in on this one... i see there being a Korea, no more north or south, just plain Korea... no parallel, and no communism.

as for china and cuba, castros almost dead. hes 3 days younger than methuzalah for petes sake. and china dont want any part of us... theyll bark all they want, but they know we can whittle down that billion people population down to a few million in no time.

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Iraq has already threatened to attack Israel with WMD's if he is attacked by us.

Give me a source.

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Our allies are behind us, why would they be if we had no proof?

The "allies" have not seen any proof, and it wasn't until the US government offered a few carrots that the other major powers started to fall into line (here is my source). Apart from a few "me too" countries like Britain and Australia, the coalition has been built with bribery and intimidation.

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We are going to take out Saddam, BECAUSE he is crazy enough to use WMD's

No he's not. Saddam knows all too well that any aggression would be the end of him. He wouldn't dare attack Israel with baseball bats let alone WMD.

Another point worth mentioning is that despite being one of Israel's neighbours, Iraq is not regarded as a serious threat by Israeli intelligence agencies.

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This is gonna be quick, targeted, and complete within a week, then Iraq will be rebuilt, with a democratic government

A democratic government in Iraq is so contrary to US interests that it simply won't happen.

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The world is about to change BIG time, and YOUR favorite form of government will be placed on the ashheap of history where it belongs!!

Jaguar, I've had enough of your flagrantly dishonest innuendos about my preference for particular forms of government. They're a total waste of web space. Try being civil for a change.

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Iraq has already threatened to attack Israel with WMD's if he is attacked by us.

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Give me a source.


oh heres a prime one... how about desert storm? he fired scuds on israel after we attacked him...

maybe you were too young to remember that. or maybe you were too busy reading some socialist propoganda...

and dont think about saying a scud is not a WMD... it is. if you can rig it with nerve gas that can wipe out half a civillization its a WMD

hes ALWAYS had those. its not hard to hide shit like that in a big ass desert.

and where do you get this twisted ass info from saying that the israeli intelligence services doesnt think saddam is a threat to them??? are you an intelligence officer? do you know for a fact??? you have a freind in israeli intelligence???

shortly put: saddam used scuds on them before and he is stupid enough to do it again... this time i dont think we will stop israel when they march into baghdad.

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Saddams a mad man..I think we can agree on this. He'll also do anything to hurt other countries,example after we ran him out of Kuwait he sets fire to the oil wells....like a sore loser of a battle he tries to make the rest of the world hurt by thinking he can destory the worlds supply of oil.

I dont think we will go to war against N.Korera. I really dont think its worth going to war against them as much as saddam because he's crazy enough to use them..he doesnt care about his people's well being. But if N.Korera wouild even try to threaten a country not only would the US react strongly to this, but any country with interest to us would to. Plus that countries not to stable anyways, the people of that country may go against the goverment if they know that they could be waiped out in a few seconds...

I think if anything, they should be watched, and if they continue kicking out weapons inspectors, then we should consider war...after all...what could they be hiding that we dont know?...

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