Jump to content


  • Posts

  • Joined

  • Last visited


Everything posted by pkzip

  1. quote:Originally posted by Menchise: First of all, what's the ACLU? American Civil Liberties Union They were instrumental in helping to purge our country of signs hanging over water fountains that read, "Whites Only." They fought against the concentration camps built in the US for Americans that looked Japanese. Yet they fought for the right of the Ku Klux Klan to publicly demonstrate. They are absolutely vilified by conservatives because of their stance on gun control, abortion, book banning, loyalty oaths, creationism, homosexuals, labor unions, etc., all the usual trigger words. The Far Right considers them to be, at best, a Satanic playground for rosy-eyed and meddlesome intellectuals; Pure Evil. [Nick, it would require a whole 'nother thread to discuss the ACLU, and you already know exactly how these guys would weigh in on the subject.] [ 10-21-2001: Message edited by: pkzip ]
  2. quote:Originally posted by $iLk: Our currency is labeled "in God we trust" Our pledge of allegiance identifies this country as "under God" The words, "under God," did not appear in the Pledge of Allegiance until 1954 (Cold War anti-Soviet reaction). "One Nation Under God" explicitly establishes a State Monotheism. "In God We Trust" was absent from paper currency before 1956. It appeared on some coins earlier, as did other sundry phrases, such as "Mind Your Business." The original U.S. motto, chosen by John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, and Thomas Jefferson, is E Pluribus Unum ("Of Many, One"), celebrating plurality, not theocracy. The presidential oath of office is the only one in the Constitution, and it does not contain the phrase "so help me God" or the requirement to swear on a bible (Art. II, Sec.1). [ 10-20-2001: Message edited by: pkzip ]
  3. quote:Originally posted by aramike: Our founding fathers also did not believe in the current incarnation of separation of church and state, and they are the ones who wrote the words that we infer to create such a separation. Check your history books -- in 1777 Congress voted to import 100,000 Bibles from Europe for distribution to the people. This hardly seems like the activity of people who wished to separate religion to the extent that some liberals do today. You mean these founding fathers?: "I have recently been examining all the known superstitions of the world, and do not find in our particular superstition [Christianity] one redeeming feature. They are all alike, founded on fables and mythology." -------------- "The Christian god is a three headed monster, cruel, vengeful and capricious. If one wishes to know more of this raging, three headed beast-like god, one only needs to look at the caliber of people who say they serve him. They are always of two classes: fools and hypocrites." -------------- "And the day will come, when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as His Father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva, in the brain of Jupiter." -------------- "Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man." - Thomas Jefferson "Among the most detestable villains in history, you could not find one worse than Moses. Here is an order, attributed to 'God' to butcher the boys, to massacre the mothers and to debauch and rape the daughters. I would not dare so dishonor my Creator's name by attaching it to this filthy book [the Bible]." -------------- "As to the book called the Bible, it is blasphemy to call it the Word of God. It is a book of lies and contradictions and a history of bad times and bad men." -------------- "Accustom a people to believe that priests and clergy can forgive sins...and you will have sins in abundance." ---------------- "The Christian church has set up a religion of pomp and revenue in pretended imitation of a person [Jesus] who lived a life of poverty." - Thomas Paine "During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What has been its fruits? More or less, in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution." - James Madison Ben Franklin? Too many quotes to choose from. [ 10-20-2001: Message edited by: pkzip ]
  4. quote:Originally posted by Eclipse: After their [10 Commandments] removal, crime rate in schools increased sharply in comparison to previous years. It is impossible to prove a direct and exclusive causal link between these two. Far too many factors weigh into this observed phenomenon. quote:If you wish to display the Hebrew religious laws, we would have quite a few more than ten commandments. If a 'lack of' is bad (as you postulated above), wouldn't more be better? (I personally believe ALL religions' moral and ethical codes should be posted. That way kids can see that all religions have much in common, and the State would not be seen as supporting one religion above the others.) quote:now our children are being indoctrinated with their [ACLU's] ideology and morals Civil Liberties include things I'm not so wild about, either. But specifically which of their ideologies and morals do you object to? Please quote from their website and cite the url. You're confusing what they stand for, with how they've sometimes put that into practice. The ACLU is not the only organization that has occasionally strayed from its stated goals. [ 10-20-2001: Message edited by: pkzip ]
  5. Jeez, what a dull thread so far. Lemme run this up the ol' heathen totem pole then: [RP] I hereby announce the establishment of the Church Of The Everlasting Bong-hit. We've got lots of members flocking to our services. We glorify God by sparking up. And you should check out our Brownies For Charity fellowship every Thursday. Careful, don't 'prohibit my free exercise thereof.' Now, whose job is it to determine whether or not my church is to be recognized (sanctioned?) by the state? A panel of middle-aged conservative white anglo-saxon protestant males? Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Yeah, lemme guess how they're going to vote. ------------------------ I remember so many high school football games that had prayers that ended, "In Christ's name we pray" (not 'politically correct,' but no one ever stopped the MC). I could feel the (very few) non-Christians around me cringing at that. I believe that the 'Liberals' have pushed their agenda because of pervasive little abuses just like that. Not every American prays in the Name of Christ. Plain and simple. You comfortable with that? You willing to acknowledge that 'Jesus stuff' injustice too, and to fight just as hard to right THAT wrong? [/RP] [Edit: ] [ 10-19-2001: Message edited by: pkzip ]
  6. Don't waste your time cranking out all that luscious prose. Outsource it! http://www-csag.ucsd.edu/individual/pakin/complaint
  7. quote:Originally posted by Advil: Don't get me started on unions. I don't want to. That's why I specifically stated non-union in my example. [Edit:When it comes to most unions these days, I would agree with Jag's term: goons.] [ 10-12-2001: Message edited by: pkzip ]
  8. quote:Originally posted by $iLk: If you work really hard and long, you get taken care of completely Tell that to a non-union factory worker who gets laid off after twenty years when the production facility gets moved to Mexico. [Edit: Rattler! Good to see you, chief. Hope you're around for awhile.] [ 10-11-2001: Message edited by: pkzip ]
  9. quote:Originally posted by Jaguar: but 7 of 9 is, was, and always will be my favorite, (Bowed head) AMEN!!! * Reverently agreeing * Gentlemen, let us pray... I thought the set and costumes were too monochromatic. Gimme some of that ol' Sixties' oversaturated colors. Speaking of which, nobody was wearing red? How are we supposed to know who's going to die? Not too bad for the premiere episode. Certainly measures up to TNG's "Encounter at Farpoint."
  10. Low-End-System Modem-Boy here likes it. I think I'm getting better framerates at long visibilities.
  11. quote:Originally posted by aramike: So when you heading to the Insurgent forum, man? Dunno; what's the pay scale like for Medical Caste in your neck of the woods? (shuddering to guess)
  12. "Newbie"??!!?? Ouch, like a knife in my heart. I've been lurking for years! (Aramike, I had anticipated your response was going to be, "Ensign forever? That can be arranged." )
  13. Jeez, you guys have made me break the seventy-post mark. I was hoping to stay an 'ensign' forever.
  14. quote:Originally posted by MerfGlurf: pkzip, you know the difference between a tactical nuke and a theater-sized nuke right? Yes, I do, Merf, very well, for personal reasons I will not publicly discuss here. But thanks for checking.
  15. I was going to ask why we needed to stage in Pakistan anyway. I mean, it will be problematic, based on Reuters and AP feeds out of Peshawar and Islamabad, so why not set up staging elsewhere? Then I looked at a topo. Sheeesh. I'm assuming the Hindu Kush range looks as bad in real life as it does on the map, and I'm also betting that it's a logistical nightmare putting a supply line over a mountain range anyway. Just curious, if you were staging this (essentially ground campaign), and Pakistan were not an option, how would you approach it? Just a hypothetical. [ 09-21-2001: Message edited by: pkzip ]
  16. quote:Originally posted by aramike: pkzip: I don't see any indication that anyone was attacking you, nor anyone else personally Roger, sir. I had interpreted Jaguar's misguided attempt to discredit the source as a personal attack on me. I see from his and your comments that I was in error. I will now willingly swallow a "Chill Pill" roughly the size and shape of my foot. Moving on to common ground (I'm hoping): that was one heck of a speech by GWB last night. I've always thought that he was clumsy, until I realized that I'd not be comfortable with seven cameras in my face all day either. He's turning out to be quite a measured guy. I've got a good feeling about him. Don't tell my democrat friends I said that.
  17. quote:Originally posted by Jaguar: And just found out that the letter above has been making the rounds of the internet in many different forms and ways, and it turns out that it is a fake. From Interview with Tamim Ansary [ current issue #265] : Unlike commentary on television or in the traditional press, an essay like this on the Internet has to earn its audience reader by reader, sometimes striking a nerve all over the world at lightning speed. It also picks up a certain mythology along the way. I've read that Tamim Ansary is a University of California professor, a politician, an activist. He is none of these. "The funny thing is," Tamim says, "when people find me, many of them ask, 'Is this a hoax?' ------------------ That's my source. And your source would be...? quote:posted by Jaguar: Uh uh. Thought so. Jaguar, you've now shot your own credibility like a [inappropriate sarcastic metaphor deleted 9-20-01]. When you try to pass off hearsay as truth, expect to be called to task for it. Do your homework next time. Aramike, please shut down this thread. It has ceased to have any purpose. [ 09-20-2001: Message edited by: pkzip ]
  18. quote:Originally posted by Jaguar: And just found out that the letter above has been making the rounds of the internet in many different forms and ways, and it turns out that it is a fake. From Interview with Tamim Ansary [ current issue #265] : Unlike commentary on television or in the traditional press, an essay like this on the Internet has to earn its audience reader by reader, sometimes striking a nerve all over the world at lightning speed. It also picks up a certain mythology along the way. I've read that Tamim Ansary is a University of California professor, a politician, an activist. He is none of these. "The funny thing is," Tamim says, "when people find me, many of them ask, 'Is this a hoax?' ------------------ That's my source. And your source would be...? [ 09-20-2001: Message edited by: pkzip ]
  19. quote:Originally posted by Supreme Cmdr: in the shower thinking about Osama That, too, would fit the thread topic "An Interesting Perspective."
  20. quote:Originally posted by Jaguar: Sense is now prevailing Indeed. I am heartened to hear that you no longer support a nuclear strike, Jaguar.
  21. I'm passing this along on the microscopically slim chance that it will provide some perspective for a very small handful of short-sighted people here (based on some comments I have read). I really doubt it will, but I have to try nonetheless. --------------------- --------------------- The following was sent to me by my friend Tamim Ansary. Tamim is an Afghani-American writer [who writes, among other things, children's stories that are part of many American schools' curricula]. He is also one of the most brilliant people I know in this life. When he writes, I read. When he talks, I listen. Here is his take on Afghanistan and the whole mess we are in. -Gary T. ------------------ Dear Gary and whoever else is on this email thread: I've been hearing a lot of talk about "bombing Afghanistan back to the Stone Age." Ronn Owens, on KGO Talk Radio today, allowed that this would mean killing innocent people, people who had nothing to do with this atrocity, but "we're at war, we have to accept collateral damage. What else can we do?" Minutes later I heard some TV pundit discussing whether we "have the belly to do what must be done." And I thought about the issues being raised especially hard because I am from Afghanistan, and even though I've lived here for 35 years I've never lost track of what's going on there. So I want to tell anyone who will listen how it all looks from where I'm standing. I speak as one who hates the Taliban and Osama Bin Laden. There is no doubt in my mind that these people were responsible for the atrocity in New York. I agree that something must be done about those monsters. But the Taliban and Ben Laden are not Afghanistan. They're not even the government of Afghanistan. The Taliban are a cult of ignorant psychotics who took over Afghanistan in 1997. Bin Laden is a political criminal with a plan. When you think Taliban, think Nazis. When you think Bin Laden, think Hitler. And when you think "the people of Afghanistan" think "the Jews in the concentration camps." It's not only that the Afghan people had nothing to do with this atrocity. They were the first victims of the perpetrators. They would exult if someone would come in there, take out the Taliban and clear out the rats nest of international thugs holed up in their country. Some say, why don't the Afghans rise up and overthrow the Taliban? The answer is, they're starved, exhausted, hurt, incapacitated, suffering. A few years ago, the United Nations estimated that there are 500,000 disabled orphans in Afghanistan--a country with no economy, no food. There are millions of widows. And the Taliban has been burying these widows alive in mass graves. The soil is littered with land mines, the farms were all destroyed by the Soviets. These are a few of the reasons why the Afghan people have not overthrown the Taliban. We come now to the question of bombing Afghanistan back to the Stone Age. Trouble is, that's been done. The Soviets took care of it already. Make the Afghans suffer? They're already suffering. Level their houses? Done. Turn their schools into piles of rubble? Done. Eradicate their hospitals? Done. Destroy their infrastructure? Cut them off from medicine and health care? Too late. Someone already did all that. New bombs would only stir the rubble of earlier bombs. Would they at least get the Taliban? Not likely. In today's Afghanistan, only the Taliban eat, only they have the means to move around. They'd slip away and hide. Maybe the bombs would get some of those disabled orphans, they don't move too fast, they don't even have wheelchairs. But flying over Kabul and dropping bombs wouldn't really be a strike against the criminals who did this horrific thing. Actually it would only be making common cause with the Taliban--by raping once again the people they've been raping all this time. So what else is there? What can be done, then? Let me now speak with true fear and trembling. The only way to get Bin Laden is to go in there with ground troops. When people speak of "having the belly to do what needs to be done" they're thinking in terms of having the belly to kill as many as needed. Having the belly to overcome any moral qualms about killing innocent people. Let's pull our heads out of the sand. What's actually on the table is Americans dying. And not just because some Americans would die fighting their way through Afghanistan to Bin Laden's hideout. It's much bigger than that folks. Because to get any troops to Afghanistan, we'd have to go through Pakistan. Would they let us? Not likely. The conquest of Pakistan would have to be first. Will other Muslim nations just stand by? You see where I'm going. We're flirting with a world war between Islam and the West. And guess what: that's Bin Laden's program. That's exactly what he wants. That's why he did this. Read his speeches and statements. It's all right there. He really believes Islam would beat the west. It might seem ridiculous, but he figures if he can polarize the world into Islam and the West, he's got a billion soldiers. If the west wreaks a holocaust in those lands, that's a billion people with nothing left to lose, that's even better from Bin Laden's point of view. He's probably wrong, in the end the west would win, whatever that would mean, but the war would last for years and millions would die, not just theirs but ours. Who has the belly for that? Bin Laden does. Anyone else? Tamim Ansary --------------------
  22. (nice effect on your office door, Menchise!)
  23. quote:Originally posted by Epsilon 5: Pkzip, are you still around? I've got a suprise for you! Yes, I did it! Whoa! Awesome, chief... never thought I'd see it again. Pretty much an identical reconstruction (but currently missing the massage wenches, hehe). Better location. I am truly honored. Thanks man. I've been swamped recently, so haven't had hardly any time to check in. Good to see everyone's doing well. I'll be back when the headache du jour settles down. Oh, and my other non-BC AW project also vanished, I just checked. The Server Giveth and the Server Taketh Away. The Tourist is Dead; Long Live the Tourist.
  24. quote:Originally posted by Jaguar: Liked the pictures, and did not want them to get trashed, so I copied them into my name, and then deleted the tourist copies!! No prob, chief, good thinking! I'll keep those .jpg URLs alive. The Aramike 'Batman' picture is here if you want to use it too. In good taste, of course! [ 07-25-2001: Message edited by: pkzip ]
  • Create New...