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  1. Well we cant overlook the fact this is a CNN reported poll. Comparing their polls to others I find the individuals who tend to offer input the most are the ones that dislike him most. For example: I work in tech support but people dont call me or even care who I am until they are dis-satisfied with how things are working. Otherwise im just out of the loop. Great deal of the people that would have and did vote for him at the time dont bother to give their input and/or just faded back into the woodwork. As far as im concerned the election is over and aching over it wont help anyone look forward.
  2. Hey all, just popping in and couldnt resist dropping my 2 bits. I for one am a "Christian". If only because the label was given to people like me since somewhere around ~50 AD by the people of ancient Corinth. (if im not mistaken) I do indeed profess faith in Jesus as my Lord and Savior and have no doubt that God created life on this planet intentionally and with deliberation. "AKA ID" However I have no buff whatsoever with Science and the basic logic of adding up proven facts to reach a probable conclusion. Logic is indeed on the side of Truth regardless of what anyone ever has to say... because it is reasonable to say that there is an absolute Truth that exists independant of individual belief. There is only one possible flaw with logic. Let us referr to the definition as per: www.dictionary.com Logic: The study of the principles of reasoning, especially of the structure of propositions as distinguished from their content and of method and validity in deductive reasoning. Basically the clinch-pin in logic upon which the whole of science stands is the ability to reason. But more the point... Who's ability to reason exactly? It would be foolish to say that my reasoning ability is upon which much of anything stands for I am a mere human the sphere of influence of which is the size of my tiny community. I just havent seen it all and nor will I ever see it all. And somethings I see I dont have the knowledge or even the wisdom to reason it correctly. So, what I do with my limited reasoning is to invest it in someone who's own reasoning surpasses my own....someone of whom is within my own sphere of reliable deductive reasoning. And the only person who fits the bill is the person who never dies and has been around since the beginning...my Lord Jesus Christ.
  3. I lost all respect for EA after they lobotomized westwood.(and others) Doesn't suprise me that they are lining up chimps to take dumps in boxes. Although you have to give em credit for feeding the chimps colored confetti so it looks pretty for a little while. But in the end it always stinks.
  4. I never liked EA. Especially after they gave Westwood a lobotomy.
  5. I read a snippet about Spiderman 2 at Foxnews. They described it as a "chick flick for dudes". Having seen it id say that assessment is pretty much correct. Truly well made.
  6. Perhaps a translation of language is in order I am sorry forever light, but I am NOT going to argue the point with you. aka: Resistance is Futile You can quote the bible all day long, but that will especially NOT move me. If you wish to change my mind, which you won't, because I have seen the documentation and proofs, although many are now claiming, Jewish and Christian alike, that it does not exist. aka: I cannot change because I choose not too and im telling you so. ROFL, it does exist, I have personally seen it..... aka: Lookin at a thing in a bag. Anyway, the bible, new testament specifically, was written for a purpose, and that purpose was not historical authenticity, but if you look closely at it, the truth is between the lines, no matter how hard they tried to remove some of the more "damaging" information. Also, some if not most of the translations are off, the King James may claim to be the most reliable, but it still has a myriad of mistakes in it, although when most of the passages were edited for content anyway, it makes it REAL hard for it to be reliable in a historical context. Also, some if not most of the translations are off, the King James may claim to be the most reliable, but it still has a myriad of mistakes in it, although when most of the passages were edited for content anyway, it makes it REAL hard for it to be reliable in a historical context. aka: The bible has little or no credibility. Anyway, as I said, believe what you wish, I just thought that some of you might be interested in the information. But do not quote the bible to me please, I have 3 sitting on my bookshelf right now. One of them is marked up like a textbook, with notes, passages highlighted etc, so please, I know the bible and what it says, and I look at it in a historical perspective, whereas you are unable to. aka: Even thought the bible has little or no credibility it has its uses when it serves my purposes. But no matter the points im trying to make you are too stupid to understand. I am not a Christian, used to be, but am no longer, haven't been for over 20 years, and would be unable truthfully to claim to be a Christian again, so I do not bother. Just as I could never claim to be a Muslim, or a buddhist, or any of a myriad of other mainstream religions. The closest my religion could be called would be Pagan, and most Christians think that I worship the devil or some other garbage like that. Well, considering I don't believe a devil or hell or heaven, or an ALL powerful god exists, it makes it awful hard to guilt me or scare me into believing anything. aka: I was a Christian, now not a Christian, you dont scare me, ect. So, have a nice day...... aka: have a nice day And the only reason I stated my "religious" beliefs is because I have had a lot of people PM me asking me what it was. Pagan is the closest, but then again, it isn't my religion either. aka: History is my religion So please do not try and convince me of your religion through the bible, try something new and different, because I trust your bible as far as I can throw it, the bible is not historically accurate, nor is it translated accurately, nor are the books, original in their content, they have been HEAVILY edited. That is a personal thing, it has NOTHING to do with what you want to believe. aka: Once again the Bible has little or no credibility whatsoever insofar as it serves my purposes. Christianity is a great religion, it has a wonderful message, it keeps you moral and happy etc. Wonderul, enjoy..... aka: Here is your blue pill Mr. Anderson. Perhaps you get my point maybe not. I think you are operating from certain misconceptions Jag. You are operating under the premise that I am "out to get you" or to "convert you" or whatever you would deem a "religious type" to do. There is a fine line between debating for the profit of knowledge and debating for the sake of the hunt. I believe you are in the latter. You are just making noise on the subject that nobody can hear themselves think. Here is a bit about me for the sake of sharing. I believe Jesus Christ died for me and rose again on the 3rd day. I believe that the Bible is the complete infalliable word of God that He composed through the hands of men. I believe that all men/women have sinned and are not worthy of the gift of Life God offers us. (Through Jesus) I know without a single doubt that I know God in a personal manner that can only be compared to a relationship between a man and a woman. He has proven Himself to me one thousand times over. I post this merely to show that I do have a belief and chances are it was something near to what you "thought" I believed. But wether you even understood what you yourself claim to have believed in is another matter we have touched on before. But you have no obligation to reply to this and I hold you to none. Im not calling your out or standing up to fight. "Turn the other cheek" is what I believe.
  7. JOHN Chapter 2 in the King James version of the Bible: 1 And the third day there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; and the mother of Jesus was there: 2 And both Jesus was called , and his disciples, to the marriage. 3 And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine. 4 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come. 5 His mother saith unto the servants, Whatsoever he saith unto you, do it. 6 And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece. 7 Jesus saith unto them, Fill the waterpots with water. And they filled them up to the brim. 8 And he saith unto them, Draw out now, and bear unto the governor of the feast . And they bare it. 9 When the ruler of the feast had tasted the water that was made wine, and knew not whence it was: (but the servants which drew the water knew;) the governor of the feast called the bridegroom, 10 And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good wine until now. 11 This beginning of miracles did Jesus in Cana of Galilee, and manifested forth his glory; and his disciples believed on him. Perhaps you can see portions of this passage of scripture which I have set in Bold for you to see. 1) First off there is the first verse where I set bold just the "a". Because the King James Version of the Bible is a word for word translation it is the most accurate. I highlighted the A because it states that the wedding was just A wedding not HIS wedding. The author of this passage is one of Jesus's own disciples why would he referr to it in this manner if it was the marriage of His Lord? 2) EDIT: I forgot to talk about the portion "Jesus was called" Which in itself is just a confirmation that Jesus was...well called. 3) You notice I highlighted "They have no wine." Why would Mary come to Jesus if He was the bridgegroom at this wedding and say "They have no wine." when it would more likely be "WE have no more wine." 4) "Whatsoever he saith unto you, do it." I highlight this for a simple piece of logic. If Jesus was the master of this wedding why on earth would Mary have to make a point to tell the servants to obey their own master?? 5) "Draw out now, and bear unto the governor of the feast" That statement made by Jesus confirms what I already pointed out in #3. Jesus was not in charge at this wedding and had no real significance there except being a guest along with Mary and the rest of His disciples. 6) "When the ruler of the feast had tasted the water that was made wine, and knew not whence it was: (but the servants which drew the water knew;) the governor of the feast called the bridegroom," This portion also confirms that Jesus was not the bridegroom. Why would the master of the feast call too himself the bridegroom instead of Jesus if Jesus was the bridegroom? Remember one of Jesus's own disciples is writing this...why would the author use His name the whole time and then swap to a figure of speech?
  8. quote:Originally posted by Angel of Death: I have found you get what you pay for in life. If it is free it is neither valued or enjoyed. Cheers Mike I just hope that you dont think this applies to sex. I cannot help but be blunt...I dont mean as an insult but I assume you see my point.
  9. Jag, you also should consider that in itself the New Testament itself is not one book but many. The 4 Gospels are 4 different accounts/perspectives of the life of Jesus. The Bible itself is just a binding of many different books of literature. Only time has made them known as "the Bible". And as for glaring examples of inconsistencies I too am interested in hearing some. In some ways I see the inconsistencies as proof the authors are writing the truth. They very well could have made their accounts 100% the same at some point but they chose not to do so. They all four wrote their story and stuck with it. And as for faith I find it doubtful that you dont have any faith. Sounds to me like you have faith in a great many things. History for one seems to hold your attention. Although you yourself believe that history can be fabricated as you seem to believe in relation to the Bible...and yet you have great faith in it.
  10. Weatherman got banned? For the life of me I cannot find where or what he finally did to get banned.
  11. Ok, forgive me...but you are failing to understand where im coming from and what my motivations are for posting. I dont care how you think you found salvation inside scientific knowledge or how Christianity brainwashed you (or tried too) or whatever. Im not looking to you for answers nor do I want any guidance. All my involvement is focused upon your claiming to have been a "born again Christian" and saying it lightly as if it were just bad gas. Having gas is a phase. Being born again is like a brain transplant...you are a different person...and its not something you can look back upon and say you have become "unborn again". How you have been wording it is likened to an oxymoron. You cannot be "converted" to a big change in your life. Nor can you have a brain transplant and then change your "mind". It either happened or it didnt.
  12. Whatever trips my trigger is irrelevant. Im just pointing out that your claiming to have been a born again christian is most likely not true. Especially considering the underlying attitude within your usage of the words having been "converted" to being a born again christian but later changing your mind. So I merely meant it as a correction since to be born again is a massive change in your life. However from what you say you merely were converted as if you had converted underwear from boxers to briefs. I just wanted to point out the difference. [ 02-28-2004, 06:23 PM: Message edited by: Forever Light ]
  13. I meant to place significance upon your usage of the words "born again christian". To be born again is to meet God soul to soul and you are so different afterword that you are "born again". Aka, you had been converted to Christianity but not to being a Born again Christian. [ 02-28-2004, 04:32 PM: Message edited by: Forever Light ]
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