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  1. You must be ... what LostInSpace... 15? You tell someone to go pack their bags and go get Osama? Will I have $150 billion dollars to do it? I bet I could do it for a lot less than that... can I keep the change?

    Your retort is the typical response from an inferior intellect.

    Hey I know... he wants him, he can go get him... TEEHEE! I'm sharp. Don't like the President... MOVE TO CANADA! Yeah... that's it. Anyone that disagrees must be a traitor and a communist! Yeah COMMUNIST.

    Grow up.

    I gave Bush three and a half years to avenge 3000 Americans. He hasn't done anything beyond destabilize the globe, create debt and engage in corporate welfare (very UNREPUBLICAN THINGS I MIGHT ADD). Letting him do anything else beyond sitting on his ass in Crawford frankly scares the crap outta me!

  2. You must be ... what LostInSpace... 15? You tell someone to go pack their bags and go get Osama? Will I have $150 billion dollars to do it? I bet I could do it for a lot less than that... can I keep the change?

    Your retort is the typical response from an inferior intellect.

    Hey I know... he wants him, he can go get him... TEEHEE! I'm sharp. Don't like the President... MOVE TO CANADA! Yeah... that's it. Anyone that disagrees must be a traitor and a communist! Yeah COMMUNIST.

    Grow up.

    I gave Bush three and a half years to avenge 3000 Americans. He hasn't done anything beyond destabilize the globe, create debt and engage in corporate welfare (very UNREPUBLICAN THINGS I MIGHT ADD). Letting him do anything else beyond sitting on his ass in Crawford frankly scares the crap outta me!

  3. You must be ... what LostInSpace... 15? You tell someone to go pack their bags and go get Osama? Will I have $150 billion dollars to do it? I bet I could do it for a lot less than that... can I keep the change?

    Your retort is the typical response from an inferior intellect.

    Hey I know... he wants him, he can go get him... TEEHEE! I'm sharp. Don't like the President... MOVE TO CANADA! Yeah... that's it. Anyone that disagrees must be a traitor and a communist! Yeah COMMUNIST.

    Grow up.

    I gave Bush three and a half years to avenge 3000 Americans. He hasn't done anything beyond destabilize the globe, create debt and engage in corporate welfare (very UNREPUBLICAN THINGS I MIGHT ADD). Letting him do anything else beyond sitting on his ass in Crawford frankly scares the crap outta me!

  4. quote:

    Originally posted by LostInSpace:

    Heres a link I'm sure Jaguar will get a good kick out of:

    "Franken wants to have it both ways, criticizing Bush for not doing enough prior to 9/11 and then for doing too much after 9/11. The porridge is always either too cold or too hot. If there is another terrorist attack in the U.S., the Democrats will surely flip back to saying Bush hasn't been doing enough."

    Uhmmm... did I miss something? Is that hillbilly womanizer Clinton the President? Time to get over passing the buck and remembering who's in play here. Bush is the President. He says he wants Osama... so where is Osama? THREE AND A HALF YEARS... NO FRUIT... GREATEST NATION AND MILITARY ON THIS PLANET... YET FAILURE.

    I want it one way. I want Osama on a platter. No dead or alive about it... just DEAD will do. Why hasn't George, "brought it on!" *snickers* As long as people allow Bush to lay his miserable track record at the feet of Clinton nothing is going to change. Clinton isn't screwing up Iraq, Bush is. Clinton didn't remove our troops from Afghanistan and diminish our ability to capture Osama... Bush did. So please stop passing the buck for this guy. Apologists really piss me off.

    Later

    Takvah

  5. quote:

    Originally posted by LostInSpace:

    Heres a link I'm sure Jaguar will get a good kick out of:

    "Franken wants to have it both ways, criticizing Bush for not doing enough prior to 9/11 and then for doing too much after 9/11. The porridge is always either too cold or too hot. If there is another terrorist attack in the U.S., the Democrats will surely flip back to saying Bush hasn't been doing enough."

    Uhmmm... did I miss something? Is that hillbilly womanizer Clinton the President? Time to get over passing the buck and remembering who's in play here. Bush is the President. He says he wants Osama... so where is Osama? THREE AND A HALF YEARS... NO FRUIT... GREATEST NATION AND MILITARY ON THIS PLANET... YET FAILURE.

    I want it one way. I want Osama on a platter. No dead or alive about it... just DEAD will do. Why hasn't George, "brought it on!" *snickers* As long as people allow Bush to lay his miserable track record at the feet of Clinton nothing is going to change. Clinton isn't screwing up Iraq, Bush is. Clinton didn't remove our troops from Afghanistan and diminish our ability to capture Osama... Bush did. So please stop passing the buck for this guy. Apologists really piss me off.

    Later

    Takvah

  6. quote:

    Originally posted by LostInSpace:

    Heres a link I'm sure Jaguar will get a good kick out of:

    "Franken wants to have it both ways, criticizing Bush for not doing enough prior to 9/11 and then for doing too much after 9/11. The porridge is always either too cold or too hot. If there is another terrorist attack in the U.S., the Democrats will surely flip back to saying Bush hasn't been doing enough."

    Uhmmm... did I miss something? Is that hillbilly womanizer Clinton the President? Time to get over passing the buck and remembering who's in play here. Bush is the President. He says he wants Osama... so where is Osama? THREE AND A HALF YEARS... NO FRUIT... GREATEST NATION AND MILITARY ON THIS PLANET... YET FAILURE.

    I want it one way. I want Osama on a platter. No dead or alive about it... just DEAD will do. Why hasn't George, "brought it on!" *snickers* As long as people allow Bush to lay his miserable track record at the feet of Clinton nothing is going to change. Clinton isn't screwing up Iraq, Bush is. Clinton didn't remove our troops from Afghanistan and diminish our ability to capture Osama... Bush did. So please stop passing the buck for this guy. Apologists really piss me off.

    Later

    Takvah

  7. I got hosed by a cloaked ship yesterday heheh. I'm sitting their minding my own business checking power settings enroute to a nav point. Ladeedaaaa, launch a shuttle, have a nice cup of tea... oh just 50 clicks to the gate... let's send the marines to suit up for the hell of it...

    I didn't see any interference but even if I had I would have waited for the broad to say, "there's something out there" before I got concerned. That's a shame too... because all of a sudden there was the sound of missiles being launched and then my crew really perked up. EVERYTHING was being laid to waste. I was in shock of course so my reactions were slow, my little heavy cruiser was being torn to shreds by an unseen enemy. Luckily I was near to the nav point and went through. My shuttle which was in escort mode followed. I called for the shuttle to tow me to a planet. I got there, my ship a ginsued mess (I was a goner) and then in my haste I hit the damned WINDOWS key. OOPS... ucmp.exe has generated errors flashed up. That poor Galcom Commander, he had done a nice job of toasting me and also taught me a GREAT lesson... and I accidentally deprived him of his kill. I think I'm going to pop off that damn windows key. Anyway... whoever you were... cheers to a SOUND thrashing you gave me. You deserved to see the kill.

    Moral of the story... in MP forget everything you do in single player mode. BE READY. BE ALERT. CONSERVE ENERGY AT YOUR OWN PERIL. heheh

    Peace

    Takvah

  8. First of all we should have never gone into Iraq without finishing off Osama Bin Laden. We withdrew our forces from Afghanistan. This nation now controls a portion of Kabul (a small piece of the city's center) and not much more in Afghanistan. What we do control in Kabul is simply to allow our puppet government in Afghanistan to survive. Without us protecting the guy the tribal leaders that we call allies would have killed him already. Research Karzai, see what his affiliations to this nation have been. See his links to big oil and to the CIA. There is no way he would be trusted by the Northern Alliance who CURRENTLY CONTROL AFGHANISTAN beyond Karbul (and I bet you thought we did). In 1996 Karzai was a consultant to UNOCAL who was pushing for a pipeline project the company wanted. Why an oil person? Well let's go on shall we? Nine days after the US-backed interim government of Hamid Karzai took office in Kabul, Bush appointed a former aide to the American oil company Unocal, Afghan-born Zalmay Khalilzad, as special envoy to Afghanistan. Born in Mazar-e Sharif in 1951, Khalilzad hails from the old ruling elite of Afghanistan. His father was an aide to King Zahir Shah, who ruled the country until 1973. Khalilzad was a graduate student at the University of Chicago, an intellectual center for the American right-wing, when the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan in 1979. As an adviser for Unocal, Khalilzad drew up a risk analysis of a proposed pipeline from the former Soviet republic of Turkmenistan across Afghanistan and Pakistan to the Indian Ocean, which has now been signed. He participated in talks between the oil company and Taliban officials in 1997, which were aimed at implementing a 1995 agreement to build the pipeline across western Afghanistan. CURIOUS ISN'T IT? Seems we got that little deal done, one way or another.

    So when I say that we did not prosecute our war on terror I mean it. WE DID WHAT WE NEEDED TO DO TO GET THIS STUPID OIL AGREEMENT SIGNED AND THEN WE LEFT. Why? We never gave a damn about Osama, he was a means to an end. We still don't give a damn about Osama. Why? Because he is a convenient excuse for us to continue to press our efforts to get these oil agendas completed. He is the boogeyman that has allowed all of us to say, "whatever it takes" and Bush has used that to his advantage (well not Bush he's an idiot but those that truly run the show).

    What we should have done was to find and KILL Osama Bin Laden and to dismantle the Al-Qaeda network. They are INDEED happy to kill, maim and destroy Americans. This President has made it painfully obvious that he has NO intention to see this done. He sent planes to pick up all of the Bin Ladens in this country and to take them out of here. The FBI had not even fully interrogated and vetted these people. WHY?

    If you want to go after terrorists I am happy to do it. I would be happy to see this nation go after and kill Osama and ANY OTHER TERRORIST. I think that we need to establish that we will KILL their familes with the impunity and recklessness that they do ours. I think that we should establish that the code of Hammurabi (sp?) an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth is applicable where it concerns the OUR right to inflict our vengeance upon those that would harm us. Kill us and we will KILL YOU... harm our familes and we WILL kill your families. We have created NO FEAR in the enemy. We have only created hostility and a willingness to JOIN their cause. If joining meant YOU DIED... people wouldn't. Look at these "terrorists" in Israel, they have to get retards (literally) and outcasts to blow themselves up... no thinking people will... the leaders surely won't. Will Osama crash a plane... HELL NO. So if you want to see terrorism snuffed you KILL THEM. You don't start a job and walk away and SHOW THEM THAT THIS NATION HAS AN AGENDA BEYOND THEM! You don't walk away and EMPOWER THEM by their being able to say, "we killed three thousand of their people and Osama still lives." Right now that is what they see. Why should we fear them, they haven't been able to kill Osama in three and a half years!

    What sucks is this. I'm 34 years old, I have a relatively minimal fear where it concerns the draft... but what about others here? Do you want to fight for the cause of OIL? Do you think you'll be hunting down terrorists like Pat Tillman did? He spent most of his tour as I recall in Iraq. He'd just been sent back to Afghanistan when he was cut down in a hail of FRIENDLY gunfire. Do you think the "specialists" in our military are in Afghanistan hunting Osama? Well they aren't.

    People, the youth of this nation in particular, those 18, 19, 20... you will have no more a heavy burden in your life in the next few months than deciding HONESTLY if you want to die for American principles or Bush's principles. There is a VERY big difference. I do not believe that Bush (although I voted for him) works from a policy that promotes AMERICA or her values. Instead he promotes CORPORATE values and RELIGIOUS craziness. I could NOT send our kids to die for oil... but Bush can... and I have PROVEN that there is a VERY CLEAR link to oil policy and our military actions over these three plus years. Where is my Governor's son? Where are George's daughters? Where are ANY OF THE BUSH FAMILY? If I believed in a war that I was sending OUR KIDS TO FIGHT AND DIE IN... my son (if of age at the time I was calling for this war) would be wearing the FIRST BOOT TO TOUCH ENEMY SOIL. If our cause was as great as WWII or for that matter Afghanistan post 9/11 then WHERE THE HELL ARE THE BUSHS, the CHENEYS, the RICES, the RUMSFELDS the WOLFOWITZS. Do we save our best for last? MY ASS.. let the cowards that are this Administration stand up and spill blood of their own if they are so eager to see their wills done.

    Think about it.

  9. First of all we should have never gone into Iraq without finishing off Osama Bin Laden. We withdrew our forces from Afghanistan. This nation now controls a portion of Kabul (a small piece of the city's center) and not much more in Afghanistan. What we do control in Kabul is simply to allow our puppet government in Afghanistan to survive. Without us protecting the guy the tribal leaders that we call allies would have killed him already. Research Karzai, see what his affiliations to this nation have been. See his links to big oil and to the CIA. There is no way he would be trusted by the Northern Alliance who CURRENTLY CONTROL AFGHANISTAN beyond Karbul (and I bet you thought we did). In 1996 Karzai was a consultant to UNOCAL who was pushing for a pipeline project the company wanted. Why an oil person? Well let's go on shall we? Nine days after the US-backed interim government of Hamid Karzai took office in Kabul, Bush appointed a former aide to the American oil company Unocal, Afghan-born Zalmay Khalilzad, as special envoy to Afghanistan. Born in Mazar-e Sharif in 1951, Khalilzad hails from the old ruling elite of Afghanistan. His father was an aide to King Zahir Shah, who ruled the country until 1973. Khalilzad was a graduate student at the University of Chicago, an intellectual center for the American right-wing, when the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan in 1979. As an adviser for Unocal, Khalilzad drew up a risk analysis of a proposed pipeline from the former Soviet republic of Turkmenistan across Afghanistan and Pakistan to the Indian Ocean, which has now been signed. He participated in talks between the oil company and Taliban officials in 1997, which were aimed at implementing a 1995 agreement to build the pipeline across western Afghanistan. CURIOUS ISN'T IT? Seems we got that little deal done, one way or another.

    So when I say that we did not prosecute our war on terror I mean it. WE DID WHAT WE NEEDED TO DO TO GET THIS STUPID OIL AGREEMENT SIGNED AND THEN WE LEFT. Why? We never gave a damn about Osama, he was a means to an end. We still don't give a damn about Osama. Why? Because he is a convenient excuse for us to continue to press our efforts to get these oil agendas completed. He is the boogeyman that has allowed all of us to say, "whatever it takes" and Bush has used that to his advantage (well not Bush he's an idiot but those that truly run the show).

    What we should have done was to find and KILL Osama Bin Laden and to dismantle the Al-Qaeda network. They are INDEED happy to kill, maim and destroy Americans. This President has made it painfully obvious that he has NO intention to see this done. He sent planes to pick up all of the Bin Ladens in this country and to take them out of here. The FBI had not even fully interrogated and vetted these people. WHY?

    If you want to go after terrorists I am happy to do it. I would be happy to see this nation go after and kill Osama and ANY OTHER TERRORIST. I think that we need to establish that we will KILL their familes with the impunity and recklessness that they do ours. I think that we should establish that the code of Hammurabi (sp?) an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth is applicable where it concerns the OUR right to inflict our vengeance upon those that would harm us. Kill us and we will KILL YOU... harm our familes and we WILL kill your families. We have created NO FEAR in the enemy. We have only created hostility and a willingness to JOIN their cause. If joining meant YOU DIED... people wouldn't. Look at these "terrorists" in Israel, they have to get retards (literally) and outcasts to blow themselves up... no thinking people will... the leaders surely won't. Will Osama crash a plane... HELL NO. So if you want to see terrorism snuffed you KILL THEM. You don't start a job and walk away and SHOW THEM THAT THIS NATION HAS AN AGENDA BEYOND THEM! You don't walk away and EMPOWER THEM by their being able to say, "we killed three thousand of their people and Osama still lives." Right now that is what they see. Why should we fear them, they haven't been able to kill Osama in three and a half years!

    What sucks is this. I'm 34 years old, I have a relatively minimal fear where it concerns the draft... but what about others here? Do you want to fight for the cause of OIL? Do you think you'll be hunting down terrorists like Pat Tillman did? He spent most of his tour as I recall in Iraq. He'd just been sent back to Afghanistan when he was cut down in a hail of FRIENDLY gunfire. Do you think the "specialists" in our military are in Afghanistan hunting Osama? Well they aren't.

    People, the youth of this nation in particular, those 18, 19, 20... you will have no more a heavy burden in your life in the next few months than deciding HONESTLY if you want to die for American principles or Bush's principles. There is a VERY big difference. I do not believe that Bush (although I voted for him) works from a policy that promotes AMERICA or her values. Instead he promotes CORPORATE values and RELIGIOUS craziness. I could NOT send our kids to die for oil... but Bush can... and I have PROVEN that there is a VERY CLEAR link to oil policy and our military actions over these three plus years. Where is my Governor's son? Where are George's daughters? Where are ANY OF THE BUSH FAMILY? If I believed in a war that I was sending OUR KIDS TO FIGHT AND DIE IN... my son (if of age at the time I was calling for this war) would be wearing the FIRST BOOT TO TOUCH ENEMY SOIL. If our cause was as great as WWII or for that matter Afghanistan post 9/11 then WHERE THE HELL ARE THE BUSHS, the CHENEYS, the RICES, the RUMSFELDS the WOLFOWITZS. Do we save our best for last? MY ASS.. let the cowards that are this Administration stand up and spill blood of their own if they are so eager to see their wills done.

    Think about it.

  10. First of all we should have never gone into Iraq without finishing off Osama Bin Laden. We withdrew our forces from Afghanistan. This nation now controls a portion of Kabul (a small piece of the city's center) and not much more in Afghanistan. What we do control in Kabul is simply to allow our puppet government in Afghanistan to survive. Without us protecting the guy the tribal leaders that we call allies would have killed him already. Research Karzai, see what his affiliations to this nation have been. See his links to big oil and to the CIA. There is no way he would be trusted by the Northern Alliance who CURRENTLY CONTROL AFGHANISTAN beyond Karbul (and I bet you thought we did). In 1996 Karzai was a consultant to UNOCAL who was pushing for a pipeline project the company wanted. Why an oil person? Well let's go on shall we? Nine days after the US-backed interim government of Hamid Karzai took office in Kabul, Bush appointed a former aide to the American oil company Unocal, Afghan-born Zalmay Khalilzad, as special envoy to Afghanistan. Born in Mazar-e Sharif in 1951, Khalilzad hails from the old ruling elite of Afghanistan. His father was an aide to King Zahir Shah, who ruled the country until 1973. Khalilzad was a graduate student at the University of Chicago, an intellectual center for the American right-wing, when the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan in 1979. As an adviser for Unocal, Khalilzad drew up a risk analysis of a proposed pipeline from the former Soviet republic of Turkmenistan across Afghanistan and Pakistan to the Indian Ocean, which has now been signed. He participated in talks between the oil company and Taliban officials in 1997, which were aimed at implementing a 1995 agreement to build the pipeline across western Afghanistan. CURIOUS ISN'T IT? Seems we got that little deal done, one way or another.

    So when I say that we did not prosecute our war on terror I mean it. WE DID WHAT WE NEEDED TO DO TO GET THIS STUPID OIL AGREEMENT SIGNED AND THEN WE LEFT. Why? We never gave a damn about Osama, he was a means to an end. We still don't give a damn about Osama. Why? Because he is a convenient excuse for us to continue to press our efforts to get these oil agendas completed. He is the boogeyman that has allowed all of us to say, "whatever it takes" and Bush has used that to his advantage (well not Bush he's an idiot but those that truly run the show).

    What we should have done was to find and KILL Osama Bin Laden and to dismantle the Al-Qaeda network. They are INDEED happy to kill, maim and destroy Americans. This President has made it painfully obvious that he has NO intention to see this done. He sent planes to pick up all of the Bin Ladens in this country and to take them out of here. The FBI had not even fully interrogated and vetted these people. WHY?

    If you want to go after terrorists I am happy to do it. I would be happy to see this nation go after and kill Osama and ANY OTHER TERRORIST. I think that we need to establish that we will KILL their familes with the impunity and recklessness that they do ours. I think that we should establish that the code of Hammurabi (sp?) an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth is applicable where it concerns the OUR right to inflict our vengeance upon those that would harm us. Kill us and we will KILL YOU... harm our familes and we WILL kill your families. We have created NO FEAR in the enemy. We have only created hostility and a willingness to JOIN their cause. If joining meant YOU DIED... people wouldn't. Look at these "terrorists" in Israel, they have to get retards (literally) and outcasts to blow themselves up... no thinking people will... the leaders surely won't. Will Osama crash a plane... HELL NO. So if you want to see terrorism snuffed you KILL THEM. You don't start a job and walk away and SHOW THEM THAT THIS NATION HAS AN AGENDA BEYOND THEM! You don't walk away and EMPOWER THEM by their being able to say, "we killed three thousand of their people and Osama still lives." Right now that is what they see. Why should we fear them, they haven't been able to kill Osama in three and a half years!

    What sucks is this. I'm 34 years old, I have a relatively minimal fear where it concerns the draft... but what about others here? Do you want to fight for the cause of OIL? Do you think you'll be hunting down terrorists like Pat Tillman did? He spent most of his tour as I recall in Iraq. He'd just been sent back to Afghanistan when he was cut down in a hail of FRIENDLY gunfire. Do you think the "specialists" in our military are in Afghanistan hunting Osama? Well they aren't.

    People, the youth of this nation in particular, those 18, 19, 20... you will have no more a heavy burden in your life in the next few months than deciding HONESTLY if you want to die for American principles or Bush's principles. There is a VERY big difference. I do not believe that Bush (although I voted for him) works from a policy that promotes AMERICA or her values. Instead he promotes CORPORATE values and RELIGIOUS craziness. I could NOT send our kids to die for oil... but Bush can... and I have PROVEN that there is a VERY CLEAR link to oil policy and our military actions over these three plus years. Where is my Governor's son? Where are George's daughters? Where are ANY OF THE BUSH FAMILY? If I believed in a war that I was sending OUR KIDS TO FIGHT AND DIE IN... my son (if of age at the time I was calling for this war) would be wearing the FIRST BOOT TO TOUCH ENEMY SOIL. If our cause was as great as WWII or for that matter Afghanistan post 9/11 then WHERE THE HELL ARE THE BUSHS, the CHENEYS, the RICES, the RUMSFELDS the WOLFOWITZS. Do we save our best for last? MY ASS.. let the cowards that are this Administration stand up and spill blood of their own if they are so eager to see their wills done.

    Think about it.

  11. LIS... fear clouds judgment, end of story. The costs of this war and the blunders of this administration are tantamount to enabling terrorism. I find that highly convenient. I will post a link later listing the costs of this war to this country in terms of the monetary, the human lives lost, the effects it has had on Al-Qaeda's recruitment, etc. The war is but ONE factor of what is a failed Presidency and a failed effort to squash terrorism. They took the eye off the ball, for what reasons one may speculate ad infinitum... but the focus is NOT terrorism in Iraq.

    Darkling... when you can spell hospital gimme a call. I didn't compare us to the WORLD, I compared us to a FUGITIVE ON DIALYSIS that is CAVE HOPPING and yet we cannot catch him. The rest of your comments I can only say we seem to agree on. I didn't say that the world LOVED us prior to this invasion... but hell even EUROPE hates our guts. I wouldn't give a damn about the French but it is far worse than that, far more reaching than the snobbery of an archaic state of cowards that fear the intrusions of ENGLISH and AMERICANA into their culture. There is distrust and frankly I have the same distrust for this government that I VOTED FOR and helped to put into office (especially being that I am in Florida).

    HOSPITAL.

    Anyway, later on.

  12. LIS... fear clouds judgment, end of story. The costs of this war and the blunders of this administration are tantamount to enabling terrorism. I find that highly convenient. I will post a link later listing the costs of this war to this country in terms of the monetary, the human lives lost, the effects it has had on Al-Qaeda's recruitment, etc. The war is but ONE factor of what is a failed Presidency and a failed effort to squash terrorism. They took the eye off the ball, for what reasons one may speculate ad infinitum... but the focus is NOT terrorism in Iraq.

    Darkling... when you can spell hospital gimme a call. I didn't compare us to the WORLD, I compared us to a FUGITIVE ON DIALYSIS that is CAVE HOPPING and yet we cannot catch him. The rest of your comments I can only say we seem to agree on. I didn't say that the world LOVED us prior to this invasion... but hell even EUROPE hates our guts. I wouldn't give a damn about the French but it is far worse than that, far more reaching than the snobbery of an archaic state of cowards that fear the intrusions of ENGLISH and AMERICANA into their culture. There is distrust and frankly I have the same distrust for this government that I VOTED FOR and helped to put into office (especially being that I am in Florida).

    HOSPITAL.

    Anyway, later on.

  13. LIS... fear clouds judgment, end of story. The costs of this war and the blunders of this administration are tantamount to enabling terrorism. I find that highly convenient. I will post a link later listing the costs of this war to this country in terms of the monetary, the human lives lost, the effects it has had on Al-Qaeda's recruitment, etc. The war is but ONE factor of what is a failed Presidency and a failed effort to squash terrorism. They took the eye off the ball, for what reasons one may speculate ad infinitum... but the focus is NOT terrorism in Iraq.

    Darkling... when you can spell hospital gimme a call. I didn't compare us to the WORLD, I compared us to a FUGITIVE ON DIALYSIS that is CAVE HOPPING and yet we cannot catch him. The rest of your comments I can only say we seem to agree on. I didn't say that the world LOVED us prior to this invasion... but hell even EUROPE hates our guts. I wouldn't give a damn about the French but it is far worse than that, far more reaching than the snobbery of an archaic state of cowards that fear the intrusions of ENGLISH and AMERICANA into their culture. There is distrust and frankly I have the same distrust for this government that I VOTED FOR and helped to put into office (especially being that I am in Florida).

    HOSPITAL.

    Anyway, later on.

  14. Shingen, I ran a klingon fleet for the Starfleet Academy game from 1997 to 2000... we were very successful and we stay in contact to this day because we were so tight. Just remember to surround yourself with quality people and you'll come out smelling like a rose. If I can be of any help I am at your disposal.

    That said, I have faith in you... and look forward to being a part of your fleet.

  15. I sent in the request to join TDH. I hope that I will be accepted. I would like very much to be a part of a more opportunistic and cutthroat organization than the candy a$$ military fleets out there... *snickers*.

    Looking forward to doing business with you all and protecting our unified interests.

    Takvah

    Commander of the Bladerunner

  16. You do understand Jaguar that in everything you said there is not one fact. This is the same line of fear that has been spewed since 9/11. I think that any President would be capable of defending this nation against terror. I think that ANY President with the resources of this nation, its people and our WILL could repell ANY threat and would. You act like there is some divinity that has a hand over Bush making him more capable than anyone to defend this nation. Wrong. If anything he has ignited the hatred that is harbored not just in the Middle East but GLOBALLY against this nation. I am right with you when it comes to us being IT in the world. When there is disaster who is the first nation the world turns to... US. With their hats in their hands and their resentments they come to us. I do not doubt for an instant that much of the world are a bunch of JEALOUS, PETTY, RUNNER-UPs to this great nation.

    HOWEVER, I feel NO security in the way G.W. has run this effort. The true enemy Al-Qaeda is working with impunity. A guy in a cave has better health care than the average American and meanwhile OUR PARTY is trespassing on our freedoms across the board! You feel secure with a Tom DeLay in our party? I don't. You feel seure with a bungling Administration that has failed to have ONE intelligence breakthrough in nearly three years that has led to the capture or killing of Osama Bin Laden?

    What you have failed to assess in your simplistic viewpoint is this. What has brought G.W. the ability to trespass on our liberty and to keep him in good stead (until recently)? FEAR. You want to know why there is no Osama yet? Because FEAR is what they need to do unto you what they will... and you for all of your bold proclamations of strength have made one thing clear... YOU ARE SCARED. They have succeeded in gelding you. In making you just another lemming. They have maintained this fear by allowing our enemies to remain. Meanwhile oil prices soar, debt increases and profits skyrocket for companies that are affiliated with the Administration. Meanwhile you sit there and remain frightened and fixated eliminating all critical thought from the equation... happy to have your strings pulled.

    If that is Republican, you may be right. I may not be a Republican anymore. I am certainly not a Republican like you. I still believe in right is right and America before the PARTY. I will never put a PARTY above this nation. An agenda in front of my liberty or freedom behind my FEARS. You have done all of the above. Congratulations.

    BE AFRAID. CONFORM. FEAR IS GOOD. ORANGE ALERT. RED ALERT. WMD. NUKE. BE AFRAID. CONFORM. BUSH GOOD. BUSH PROTECT. TOO MUCH FREEDOM IS BAD. FEAR IS GOOD. BE AFRAID. CONFORM.

    This message brought to you by Takvah... taking the sub out of subliminal.

    Oh and they talked up a single munition with residue of a chemical agent like it was the smoking gun. If there was any corroboration to anything you have stated it would be plastered for all to see... and I would gladly eat my hat. Your President said, there was no connection between Saddam and 9/11. Dick Cheney said there was in December 2001... now he says to CNBC, I never said that. WHERE THE HELL IS THE ACCOUNTABILITY WITH THESE GUYS?

  17. You do understand Jaguar that in everything you said there is not one fact. This is the same line of fear that has been spewed since 9/11. I think that any President would be capable of defending this nation against terror. I think that ANY President with the resources of this nation, its people and our WILL could repell ANY threat and would. You act like there is some divinity that has a hand over Bush making him more capable than anyone to defend this nation. Wrong. If anything he has ignited the hatred that is harbored not just in the Middle East but GLOBALLY against this nation. I am right with you when it comes to us being IT in the world. When there is disaster who is the first nation the world turns to... US. With their hats in their hands and their resentments they come to us. I do not doubt for an instant that much of the world are a bunch of JEALOUS, PETTY, RUNNER-UPs to this great nation.

    HOWEVER, I feel NO security in the way G.W. has run this effort. The true enemy Al-Qaeda is working with impunity. A guy in a cave has better health care than the average American and meanwhile OUR PARTY is trespassing on our freedoms across the board! You feel secure with a Tom DeLay in our party? I don't. You feel seure with a bungling Administration that has failed to have ONE intelligence breakthrough in nearly three years that has led to the capture or killing of Osama Bin Laden?

    What you have failed to assess in your simplistic viewpoint is this. What has brought G.W. the ability to trespass on our liberty and to keep him in good stead (until recently)? FEAR. You want to know why there is no Osama yet? Because FEAR is what they need to do unto you what they will... and you for all of your bold proclamations of strength have made one thing clear... YOU ARE SCARED. They have succeeded in gelding you. In making you just another lemming. They have maintained this fear by allowing our enemies to remain. Meanwhile oil prices soar, debt increases and profits skyrocket for companies that are affiliated with the Administration. Meanwhile you sit there and remain frightened and fixated eliminating all critical thought from the equation... happy to have your strings pulled.

    If that is Republican, you may be right. I may not be a Republican anymore. I am certainly not a Republican like you. I still believe in right is right and America before the PARTY. I will never put a PARTY above this nation. An agenda in front of my liberty or freedom behind my FEARS. You have done all of the above. Congratulations.

    BE AFRAID. CONFORM. FEAR IS GOOD. ORANGE ALERT. RED ALERT. WMD. NUKE. BE AFRAID. CONFORM. BUSH GOOD. BUSH PROTECT. TOO MUCH FREEDOM IS BAD. FEAR IS GOOD. BE AFRAID. CONFORM.

    This message brought to you by Takvah... taking the sub out of subliminal.

    Oh and they talked up a single munition with residue of a chemical agent like it was the smoking gun. If there was any corroboration to anything you have stated it would be plastered for all to see... and I would gladly eat my hat. Your President said, there was no connection between Saddam and 9/11. Dick Cheney said there was in December 2001... now he says to CNBC, I never said that. WHERE THE HELL IS THE ACCOUNTABILITY WITH THESE GUYS?

  18. You do understand Jaguar that in everything you said there is not one fact. This is the same line of fear that has been spewed since 9/11. I think that any President would be capable of defending this nation against terror. I think that ANY President with the resources of this nation, its people and our WILL could repell ANY threat and would. You act like there is some divinity that has a hand over Bush making him more capable than anyone to defend this nation. Wrong. If anything he has ignited the hatred that is harbored not just in the Middle East but GLOBALLY against this nation. I am right with you when it comes to us being IT in the world. When there is disaster who is the first nation the world turns to... US. With their hats in their hands and their resentments they come to us. I do not doubt for an instant that much of the world are a bunch of JEALOUS, PETTY, RUNNER-UPs to this great nation.

    HOWEVER, I feel NO security in the way G.W. has run this effort. The true enemy Al-Qaeda is working with impunity. A guy in a cave has better health care than the average American and meanwhile OUR PARTY is trespassing on our freedoms across the board! You feel secure with a Tom DeLay in our party? I don't. You feel seure with a bungling Administration that has failed to have ONE intelligence breakthrough in nearly three years that has led to the capture or killing of Osama Bin Laden?

    What you have failed to assess in your simplistic viewpoint is this. What has brought G.W. the ability to trespass on our liberty and to keep him in good stead (until recently)? FEAR. You want to know why there is no Osama yet? Because FEAR is what they need to do unto you what they will... and you for all of your bold proclamations of strength have made one thing clear... YOU ARE SCARED. They have succeeded in gelding you. In making you just another lemming. They have maintained this fear by allowing our enemies to remain. Meanwhile oil prices soar, debt increases and profits skyrocket for companies that are affiliated with the Administration. Meanwhile you sit there and remain frightened and fixated eliminating all critical thought from the equation... happy to have your strings pulled.

    If that is Republican, you may be right. I may not be a Republican anymore. I am certainly not a Republican like you. I still believe in right is right and America before the PARTY. I will never put a PARTY above this nation. An agenda in front of my liberty or freedom behind my FEARS. You have done all of the above. Congratulations.

    BE AFRAID. CONFORM. FEAR IS GOOD. ORANGE ALERT. RED ALERT. WMD. NUKE. BE AFRAID. CONFORM. BUSH GOOD. BUSH PROTECT. TOO MUCH FREEDOM IS BAD. FEAR IS GOOD. BE AFRAID. CONFORM.

    This message brought to you by Takvah... taking the sub out of subliminal.

    Oh and they talked up a single munition with residue of a chemical agent like it was the smoking gun. If there was any corroboration to anything you have stated it would be plastered for all to see... and I would gladly eat my hat. Your President said, there was no connection between Saddam and 9/11. Dick Cheney said there was in December 2001... now he says to CNBC, I never said that. WHERE THE HELL IS THE ACCOUNTABILITY WITH THESE GUYS?

  19. Excuse me? Listen I can humor your stupidity where it concerns the world. Calling me a liar however is unacceptable. I VOTED FOR BUSH. I AM A REPUBLICAN. I have a very nice REPUBLICAN VOTERS CARD, got calls on election day from Barbara and Jeb both via recording, reminding me to go to the polls and vote for G.W.

    As for this retort to the FACTS... all I have to say is TYPICAL.

    I think you owe me an apology for calling me a liar and if you are a man of ANY integrity or honor you will do so... I won't hold my breath.

    Nuff said.

  20. Excuse me? Listen I can humor your stupidity where it concerns the world. Calling me a liar however is unacceptable. I VOTED FOR BUSH. I AM A REPUBLICAN. I have a very nice REPUBLICAN VOTERS CARD, got calls on election day from Barbara and Jeb both via recording, reminding me to go to the polls and vote for G.W.

    As for this retort to the FACTS... all I have to say is TYPICAL.

    I think you owe me an apology for calling me a liar and if you are a man of ANY integrity or honor you will do so... I won't hold my breath.

    Nuff said.

  21. Excuse me? Listen I can humor your stupidity where it concerns the world. Calling me a liar however is unacceptable. I VOTED FOR BUSH. I AM A REPUBLICAN. I have a very nice REPUBLICAN VOTERS CARD, got calls on election day from Barbara and Jeb both via recording, reminding me to go to the polls and vote for G.W.

    As for this retort to the FACTS... all I have to say is TYPICAL.

    I think you owe me an apology for calling me a liar and if you are a man of ANY integrity or honor you will do so... I won't hold my breath.

    Nuff said.

  22. quote:

    Originally posted by Jaguar:

    The rest of it? Not even going to bother to comment, same old Spew from the mainstream press, and you just parrot it like the good little liberal and Bush hater that you are.


    You keep talking about these facts but I don't see any. You keep calling me a liberal which is code for ENEMY, when I am not a liberal. I am the last of the Conservative patriots it seems. You swallow the hook, the line, the reel and the rod. There is a difference between being a Republican and being recklessly stupid. I will not ignore the facts (that you continue to fail to provide). I know that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction. We gave them to him. We sent Donald Rumsfeld to see Saddam in the early 80s. We provided him the nerve agents and gases he used to quell insurgents within his own country as well as Iranians. Great, he had weapons of mass destruction. The shelf life on most of those weapons was exceeded well before this war. So, he sent what to Syria... oh yeah, the weapons of mass destruction he bought from Africa, Russia, and Al-Qaeda... right? Not one stinking link to anything like that has been proven. He had drones that could spray our countryside with toxic agents! Wrong. He had something that was less sophisticated and less operational than a hobby shop RC plane.

    What are the excuses given? Our intelligence was bad... and lo' and behold it's all Clinton's fault. Three plus years in office and it is still Clinton's fault? Was our intelligence so bad that we didn't know who was responsible for 9/11? No. So why did we decide within hours that we should attack Iraq when Osama was in Afghanistan? Why did we pull out all of our troops from Afghanistan (except for a small fraction of non specialists that give the impression that we are "hunting" Osama)? Did you know that the special forces guys trained to hunt in terrains like Afghanistan were sent to Iraq too?

    So what do we have?

    No Osama

    No Nukes

    No WMDs

    No Coalition

    No Credibility

    In addition... we have...

    An increase in global terror

    Debt out the ass

    Corporate welfare through war

    Those are the facts. We have to pick and choose our enemies, we are 300 million people and we think we can take on 6 billion. Sure we can, if we nuke em. Is that likely? Who knows with this bunch and their "tactical nukes". What is TACTICAL about a nuke? Morons. That missile defense system doesn't work? Hell deploy it anyway! I could GO ON AND ON AND ON... and you sit there like you have the facts? You don't have JACK. You call yourself a patriot? What patriot does not question the sanity of such moves made by his government? What can you cling to?

    I AM A REPUBLICAN. I am an American. People that do not question their government frighten me. A press in this country that doesn't bother to ask why any of the above listed littany of faux pas (that could be added to exponentially I will remind you) scares me. Liberal media? Is that what you call those that question this insanity? I don't see anyone asking the tough questions so how can they be liberal or even for that matter considered the PRESS?

    Sit there and push your chair back and color anyone with a divergent opinion based on critical thought an idiot, a liberal, a TRAITOR. That's great... that's the depth of the counterpoint. And that should frankly scare the hell out of you.

    I've had my say... I gave up on you long ago Jaguar... but I won't sit back and allow you to run-over anyone that has an opinion counter to yours. Passion is great... fascism sucks... so be a good patriot Jaguar and think and allow diversity... you attack it like it will personally harm you that people might not agree with you. Well I'm sorry but that's life. As a conservative I learned long ago that there are those that find my ways of thinking archaic... not politically correct... not timely. Good for them. Attack as you wish.. but spare me the trite... "you know nothing" replies of the past. This isn't a schoolyard. I thought we were having a mature discussion. So please keep it elevated. I can handle being told my argument is idiotic by you... I consider it a compliment because if that's all you've got it says a lot.

    Carry on.

  23. quote:

    Originally posted by Jaguar:

    The rest of it? Not even going to bother to comment, same old Spew from the mainstream press, and you just parrot it like the good little liberal and Bush hater that you are.


    You keep talking about these facts but I don't see any. You keep calling me a liberal which is code for ENEMY, when I am not a liberal. I am the last of the Conservative patriots it seems. You swallow the hook, the line, the reel and the rod. There is a difference between being a Republican and being recklessly stupid. I will not ignore the facts (that you continue to fail to provide). I know that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction. We gave them to him. We sent Donald Rumsfeld to see Saddam in the early 80s. We provided him the nerve agents and gases he used to quell insurgents within his own country as well as Iranians. Great, he had weapons of mass destruction. The shelf life on most of those weapons was exceeded well before this war. So, he sent what to Syria... oh yeah, the weapons of mass destruction he bought from Africa, Russia, and Al-Qaeda... right? Not one stinking link to anything like that has been proven. He had drones that could spray our countryside with toxic agents! Wrong. He had something that was less sophisticated and less operational than a hobby shop RC plane.

    What are the excuses given? Our intelligence was bad... and lo' and behold it's all Clinton's fault. Three plus years in office and it is still Clinton's fault? Was our intelligence so bad that we didn't know who was responsible for 9/11? No. So why did we decide within hours that we should attack Iraq when Osama was in Afghanistan? Why did we pull out all of our troops from Afghanistan (except for a small fraction of non specialists that give the impression that we are "hunting" Osama)? Did you know that the special forces guys trained to hunt in terrains like Afghanistan were sent to Iraq too?

    So what do we have?

    No Osama

    No Nukes

    No WMDs

    No Coalition

    No Credibility

    In addition... we have...

    An increase in global terror

    Debt out the ass

    Corporate welfare through war

    Those are the facts. We have to pick and choose our enemies, we are 300 million people and we think we can take on 6 billion. Sure we can, if we nuke em. Is that likely? Who knows with this bunch and their "tactical nukes". What is TACTICAL about a nuke? Morons. That missile defense system doesn't work? Hell deploy it anyway! I could GO ON AND ON AND ON... and you sit there like you have the facts? You don't have JACK. You call yourself a patriot? What patriot does not question the sanity of such moves made by his government? What can you cling to?

    I AM A REPUBLICAN. I am an American. People that do not question their government frighten me. A press in this country that doesn't bother to ask why any of the above listed littany of faux pas (that could be added to exponentially I will remind you) scares me. Liberal media? Is that what you call those that question this insanity? I don't see anyone asking the tough questions so how can they be liberal or even for that matter considered the PRESS?

    Sit there and push your chair back and color anyone with a divergent opinion based on critical thought an idiot, a liberal, a TRAITOR. That's great... that's the depth of the counterpoint. And that should frankly scare the hell out of you.

    I've had my say... I gave up on you long ago Jaguar... but I won't sit back and allow you to run-over anyone that has an opinion counter to yours. Passion is great... fascism sucks... so be a good patriot Jaguar and think and allow diversity... you attack it like it will personally harm you that people might not agree with you. Well I'm sorry but that's life. As a conservative I learned long ago that there are those that find my ways of thinking archaic... not politically correct... not timely. Good for them. Attack as you wish.. but spare me the trite... "you know nothing" replies of the past. This isn't a schoolyard. I thought we were having a mature discussion. So please keep it elevated. I can handle being told my argument is idiotic by you... I consider it a compliment because if that's all you've got it says a lot.

    Carry on.

  24. quote:

    Originally posted by Jaguar:

    The rest of it? Not even going to bother to comment, same old Spew from the mainstream press, and you just parrot it like the good little liberal and Bush hater that you are.


    You keep talking about these facts but I don't see any. You keep calling me a liberal which is code for ENEMY, when I am not a liberal. I am the last of the Conservative patriots it seems. You swallow the hook, the line, the reel and the rod. There is a difference between being a Republican and being recklessly stupid. I will not ignore the facts (that you continue to fail to provide). I know that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction. We gave them to him. We sent Donald Rumsfeld to see Saddam in the early 80s. We provided him the nerve agents and gases he used to quell insurgents within his own country as well as Iranians. Great, he had weapons of mass destruction. The shelf life on most of those weapons was exceeded well before this war. So, he sent what to Syria... oh yeah, the weapons of mass destruction he bought from Africa, Russia, and Al-Qaeda... right? Not one stinking link to anything like that has been proven. He had drones that could spray our countryside with toxic agents! Wrong. He had something that was less sophisticated and less operational than a hobby shop RC plane.

    What are the excuses given? Our intelligence was bad... and lo' and behold it's all Clinton's fault. Three plus years in office and it is still Clinton's fault? Was our intelligence so bad that we didn't know who was responsible for 9/11? No. So why did we decide within hours that we should attack Iraq when Osama was in Afghanistan? Why did we pull out all of our troops from Afghanistan (except for a small fraction of non specialists that give the impression that we are "hunting" Osama)? Did you know that the special forces guys trained to hunt in terrains like Afghanistan were sent to Iraq too?

    So what do we have?

    No Osama

    No Nukes

    No WMDs

    No Coalition

    No Credibility

    In addition... we have...

    An increase in global terror

    Debt out the ass

    Corporate welfare through war

    Those are the facts. We have to pick and choose our enemies, we are 300 million people and we think we can take on 6 billion. Sure we can, if we nuke em. Is that likely? Who knows with this bunch and their "tactical nukes". What is TACTICAL about a nuke? Morons. That missile defense system doesn't work? Hell deploy it anyway! I could GO ON AND ON AND ON... and you sit there like you have the facts? You don't have JACK. You call yourself a patriot? What patriot does not question the sanity of such moves made by his government? What can you cling to?

    I AM A REPUBLICAN. I am an American. People that do not question their government frighten me. A press in this country that doesn't bother to ask why any of the above listed littany of faux pas (that could be added to exponentially I will remind you) scares me. Liberal media? Is that what you call those that question this insanity? I don't see anyone asking the tough questions so how can they be liberal or even for that matter considered the PRESS?

    Sit there and push your chair back and color anyone with a divergent opinion based on critical thought an idiot, a liberal, a TRAITOR. That's great... that's the depth of the counterpoint. And that should frankly scare the hell out of you.

    I've had my say... I gave up on you long ago Jaguar... but I won't sit back and allow you to run-over anyone that has an opinion counter to yours. Passion is great... fascism sucks... so be a good patriot Jaguar and think and allow diversity... you attack it like it will personally harm you that people might not agree with you. Well I'm sorry but that's life. As a conservative I learned long ago that there are those that find my ways of thinking archaic... not politically correct... not timely. Good for them. Attack as you wish.. but spare me the trite... "you know nothing" replies of the past. This isn't a schoolyard. I thought we were having a mature discussion. So please keep it elevated. I can handle being told my argument is idiotic by you... I consider it a compliment because if that's all you've got it says a lot.

    Carry on.

  25. quote:

    Originally posted by Jaguar:

    I am NOT going to change their minds, no matter how many facts I toss at them, but the fact of the matter is, I am going to make it VERY clear how I feel about thier nonsense.

    Likewise when people hear you parroting propaganda you must understand that they feel the same about your nonsense.

    We have been fed a laundry list of misinformation and yet somehow, the people that say, "Hey, this isn't jiving at all" are the ones that are clueless. One must concede that thus far nothing that was sold to us in the State of the Union address of 2003 turned out to be true. One must also concede that those that have pointed this fact out have been met with vitriolic retorts that do not lend any credence to the actual claims that were made. Instead we have a CIA operative outted and dirty pool being played against those in politics that stand up and do say, "This is crap."

    I was very glad to go to Scotland for the past two weeks and see that the BBC still adheres to indepth journalism that takes into account that nothing that was sold to us actually materialized. It is a shame that Blair is going to pay for this sham of a war in Britain (but he screwed up and therefor should go) and I can only hope as a card carrying Republican that the American people likewise hold feet to the fire and say enough is enough removing GW from power. If any of us ran a business with as many excuses as this administration has laid at the feet of the people we would be out of a job. I have said it before and I will say it yet again... Republican or not the President of this nation is entrusted with not only our protection but with our credibility. At this point we have none.

    If Bush were just another Quayle making stupid statements such as "how hard it is to put food on our families" *snickers* I would be forgiving. It is far worse, it is the promotion of an ill thought agenda through the use of misinformation (at best) and out and out lies (at worst).

    Passion is great but if you expect people to cater to yours then you better be ready to grant the same quarter.

    Peace

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