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Cmdr Nova posted on 09-24-2001

Oohhhh!!!! BCM is GOLD as of TODAY!!!! Tomorrow is the official Press Release from EB, but SC has said that it's gold as of TODAY!

You all know what that means.....

No...what But seriously I'm really, Really, REally, REAlly, REALly, REALLy, REALLY, REALLY estatic that the game has gone gold, waiting for BMT to email about me, about my pre order. Please BMT make it fast!!!!!!!

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Riga posted on 09-24-2001

Let's see what our newest members want first, but recruitment would be a nice job. They might also help out in the HR division.

Slaps himself on the foreheadI dang near forgot about the HR Division....NOT

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Riga posted on 09-24-2001

Don't let certain posts in another forum keep you out of your sleep

Huh? What? Where? Which forum are you talking about? I'm on a couple of others you know

BTW in another weeks time I'll start putting up the Guns For Hire Inc. charter, table of organisation and what not, so I would really appreciate any other feedback...

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Rico, first of all, thanks for taking the time.

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- Fuel is the most important thing on your shopping list. But that's just a personal consideration.


You've got a point there

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- ISS station/Saturn does have a specialty:

See the price level of AD versus HT items? AD being 110% of STDP while HT being 130%; ISS AD level is at 110%: +20%(inflation)-10%(specialty) Maybe it doesn't show, but it does have one.


I started bc3k and headed over to ISS, and hit the INFO button in Tradcom. It displayed '-' so I assumed that it had no speciality. But you're right, must be AD. I'll change the ISS text accordingly.

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- I believe one could stuff 25% extra money with deflector arrays into ones hold than Bugnors. Not 22.5/20 =112.5%


My mistake. I took STDP for bugnors, but GalCom price for deflector arrays. Will change it.

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- From ISS/Saturn, don't go to GalcomHQ with AD items, you'll loose money; buying for 110% while you sell for 90%. Take AD to Genesis instead. Buying at 110% and selling at 120%. Then close the trip by taking HT to GalcomHQ.


Mr Riker, make it so...

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Colors and layout look nice.


heh, until I showed it to my girlfriend, who uses netscape 4.7 and had stylesheets disabled

Thanks again.

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First off, thanks for the condolences.

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Rico posted on 09-25-2001

You make it sound like you're setting up a business that has it's core business in starting and winning wars by itself. Brilliant idea. I don't think anybody ever came up with that. But who will be your customers? Fleets are capable of doing it themselves.

Now I see what youÔÇÖre getting at. Well, Rico this is BCM after all, Guns For Hire Inc is a mercenary outfit, which means we have the assets and the personnel to start wars. However, we might not start wars by ourselves but some independent planet, corporation or fleet might.

Now, yes the fleets will be able to handle most things themselves, but theyÔÇÖre mostly for straight fights, and it would be pretty hard to go clandestine for as far as I know we still canÔÇÖt fudge or change our IFF codes in the BC universe and most of the fleets commanders and assets are listed and known to each side, of course I might be wrong.

If the above holds true then, the mercs will come in handy as a initial thrust into a contested sector as we are by nature non-aligned to any one fleet whereby itÔÇÖs pretty hard to know whose side weÔÇÖre on unless of course the fleets decide to blast all mercs to smithereens just as a cautionary procedure.

Then in that case, we as in the Corporation would just be redirect our corporate attentions to governments that do not own fleets to provide our source of income or independent non-violent caste like for example

1) Traders that are not members of the Corporation as bodyguards;

2) Escort for the scientist or explorer caste into unknown territory or hostile territory;

Again, the possibilities are endless, provided that there are enough players, of course.

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Rico posted on 09-25-2001

On second thought (regarding my previous post), I would wait with setting discounts on goods and services for higherups. Just mention that people can expect them some time in the future. I would wait until the company has a solid cashflow based on MP. From what I know, people that start a business of themselves (reallife) need to give in during the first months/years to make sure their company keeps running. Don't make yourself a heavy load for it.

Well, its a fact that all RL starting businesses expected not to see profit in the first two to three years upon startup of the business, due to heavy capital investment into the business, and overheads. So why should we be any different? Saying that, I dont feel that there is any need to delay the proposed discounts as the members of the Corporation are the actual bread-winners of the Corporation, as we get taxed for every contract we take on vide the Corporation. Secondly, in RL all overheads especially wages have to be paid even if the business is taking losses, and in Intercorp Unlimiteds case, the discounts are in fact, the wages of the members and officers. I think you can see where Im going.

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Rico posted on 09-25-2001

Do I read here that Directors and 'vice-directors' get 30% discount on the stuff that has to be acquired for the company's sake? Doesn't make sense. Unless if Guns For Hire Inc. gets a 30% discount when dealing with other parts of Intercorp. But that shouldn't be listed under the director or vice-director part. It should be in Intercorp's rules and regulations for it and it's subsidaries.

Yes, you read it right, that as you can see very clearly is part of the responsibility of the Legatus. The reasoning behind it is pretty simple, to prevent office bearers to misuse their powers and the Divisions funds for his or her own gains or benefits. As you can see that part of the perks of the Legatus is the ability to purchase assets and holdings on behalf of the Division.

Now, whoÔÇÖs to say that any Legatus wonÔÇÖt just purchase a super carrier to replace his heavy cruiser. I saw the loophole and decided the cover it first before any persons can take advantage of it to the detriment of the other members.

Point of fact, when first suggesting the incorporation of Intercorp Unlimited, I envisioned that the Corporation owns many assets that may be loaned to its members for a fee for a specific contract after which the asset must be returned to the Corporation. Whether this will be allowed and implemented is still up in the air

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Rico posted on 09-25-2001

This persons character wil have to make the long journey. His character can't magically disappear from Jupiter station (where he was stationed last time he played) and magically appear out of thin air on Commodities Inc. base and launch from there. Unless there is that new cross-universe transporterpad thingy the SC came up with. But I believe that was firstperson planetbased only. So I don't think it can.

I read somewhere that Guns For Hire Inc. or any other of Intercorps subsidairies would charge a launch fee if a person were to launch from say Jupiter station. Do they really have any right to make that charge? Isn't that up to the station commander? For example with Wraith, that's up to Tac (or whoever is in charge of the station) if there is any money to be charged. If the station commander decides it's neccessary, then ofcourse any company is allowed to pass on that fee to the individual person. But that is just my impression of jurisdiction. Also, wouldn't you be hiring office space on Wraith instead of buying it?


Assuredly, thatÔÇÖs true, notice I did not mention that it will happen all in a day of by the games reckoning. Of course if the said commander decide to launch from another base he or she would have to dock on his divisionÔÇÖs base and ask for permission to be freighted to an allied base where he or she wants to launch. So a service fee would be charged for the freighting and transfer to the allied base and of course after a appropriate amount of time, wahla, launch from the allied base. This need not apply just to members, any fleet or independent commander may use the same mode of transportation, of course for a higher fee.

Secondly, yes, upon initial startup Intercorp Unlimited might just be renting or hiring office space on a fleet base. But as the Corporation gains more moola, whoÔÇÖs to say that we can't built our own base around the same orbit, or establishing land bases on the planet being orbited. So you can see that my vision for the Corporation in limitless hence the corporation name Intercorp Unlimited.

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Rico posted on 09-25-2001

I think one should focus on BCM economics for the time being. GCO is still quite far away. And since we do not even know how BCM is going to play like (atleast not for the comming month/weeks), I see absolutely no reason to go another step into the unkown. Whenever GCO comes out of beta it's not going to be seriously difficult to changes one's company policy or financial situation. Keep it 'down to earth'.

Well, I say why limit ourselves, there is no reason that we can not plan for the future, as I know for certain that the BC universe will be a long and great one. So weÔÇÖre here for the long haul, and I want Intercorp Unlimited to be there every step of the way from the moment of its incorporation.

[ 09-28-2001: Message edited by: Cmdr Jeffery Eu ]

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Riga, I think it's time to ramp up the organisation by starting the RP. I assume that you have seen Emmett.hendrik's post on the RP thread, that would be a good starting point and then maybe later a flashback RP on the Organisation itself. What do you think?

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Originally posted by Cmdr Jeffery Eu:

Riga, I think it's time to ramp up the organisation by starting the RP. I assume that you have seen Emmett.hendrik's post on the RP thread, that would be a good starting point and then maybe later a flashback RP on the Organisation itself. What do you think?

Jeffery, I seen Emmett's post and I already sent him an email, but it bounced. I think its a good idea to start here (that's why I mailed him ;p )

I think he wants to start tomorrow, so I would be able to jump in on sunday evening.

Furthermore, I've resent the intercorp charter to tacops.

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Cool, you what they say about great minds....

It's great that you resent the charter, as I was just thinking of doing the same thing, I think it would be wiser to let them approve the Corporation's charter first, before we send in Commodities Inc. and Guns For Hire Inc.'s charters, so that they can get the shoock of it in piecemeal.

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While waiting for Tacops answer to RigaÔÇÖs mail of the Corporation charter, IÔÇÖll try to answer some questions that I have ignored during my long stretch of absence.

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jstuart posted on 08-14-2001

Sounds like quite an interesting undertaking!

A Corporation where contracts/jobs/services and or other things FOR A PRICEare provided! Those who are in the corp get a better prices for there services, those who are not, still can find work but for not the best price.

A logo, a website and home base of operations, sounds great!

A charter for the Corp to follow; don't make it to technical, we are Independents, we answer to know one, that's why we didn't join a fleet.

For the whole part, a division of castes or soughts is ok, but too much organization makes us more like a fleet. But the diversity in races will keep us apart.

For example: If I have a contract (all hypotheticcl), and I am returning to say home base, and I see a couple of Gammulan ships beating up a Galcom Terran trader vessel, because I am a Terran, by choice, and yet the Galcom is in the Corporation, who is to say, I can't open fire on the Gammulan vessels and save the Terran Galcom vessels in order to make a buck, because I am a Mercenary? And Interesting point? Does that then get me in trouble with the Corp and possibly a bounty on my head?

No weÔÇÖre not the police, and this is not a regime, where every member has to report all they intend to do, but do remember the Corporation will not guarantee to provide any kind of support for contracts made outside the purview of the Corporation. After all any contracts agreed outside the Corporation means no money for the Corporation and more money to the indie, so why should the Corporation waste valuable time and resources to help the indie (unless a certain fee was being paid like 50% of income earned on the said contract, upon successful pursue of action ) if he or she has been cheated, tricked, bamboozeled, by their employer.

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Rico posted on 08-28-2001

Hold on, what are you trying to set up here? A business to make money by networking, or a union/association/organization that protects it's members rights in 'legal matters' (like you intended at first I beleive, I mean, what else does a union/organization do). Those two things usually work against eachother. And those three words you use to describe a background don't make sense to me, please clarify.

With regards to your first question, I guess the confusion was caused by my first post, which was, well, to say the least, not very well thought out. Right after the first post I decided to change my intention of setting up just a guild as guilds are overrated and too specialized, meaning devoted to just one caste, which in my understanding there wonÔÇÖt be really necessary even with BCM MP and GCO up as the franchise seems a niche game, so I donÔÇÖt foresee that there will be large following like for example Starcraft or Diablo clans(I might be wrong, for which I will be very glad).

However the answer to your question, no they donÔÇÖt necessarily work against each other. A revamped guild, in this case, being the Division in Intercorp Unlimited would protect the right of its members while still being able to earn enough for the Corporation on the whole which is the reason for the levy of 4% on the income of the Division.

Logical, feasible and viable meaning that a background that every member of the Corporation would agree upon that sustainable in both BCM MP & GCO and have enough openings for further expansion in case any other caste are added. Thats is my reasoning for building up such a big conglomerate despite the lack of members. Better to have a established background to start from, then to start the arses end with no idea how the universe works. Like example my foray into RPlook at RPG thread Evolution.No idea where to jump in, no idea what to do..that was my problem!!!

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Rico posted on 08-28-2001

The italic part; If I read the BCM MP-faq and GCO FAQ correctly (been awhile)... then you don't have the opportunity to buy a station. BCM wil have indies come together in a chatroom (at the very best designated ones) OR have them in their ships coasting along in a convoy in a region OR stand around on a planet like on a cattle market. With their informal businesses on the move. That's as far as I know BCM will let indies go set up shop. GCO, I beleive one could buy a lot on a planet/moon with the ability to build stuff on it. And so make a shop or factory or service building or whatever. And the moving business way ofcourse. But let's please focus on BCM first. GCO is still quite far away. Compared to BCM anyway. And we still don't even know how that will work. Let's not jump the gun ... or the job-market.

Please look at my answer on my 2nd last post.

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Rico posted on 08-28-2001

Which brings me to the question of membership. If I wanted to use your company's services I know why I would want to be a member. Cheap rates. But why does the corporation need members. It would have a better profitmargin on non-members. .... And perhaps this is also what triggered my "keep the freedom" response. Why link people to you when there is no appearant reason. People will come to you when they need a job/service, or have spare time to waste. Or am I missing something obvious?

Not necessarily as you can see from previous post that the Corporation will gain something for everything done whether directly or indirectly. Hey, this is a business so no one can expect freebies even members.

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Rico posted on 08-28-2001

Don't really see how that applies, or even wrong motive for going indie-style. Ship movements?, ok, like the moving businesses above. But battles? You'll be sorry, as the business is likely to be the victim having no firepower. Nor would it seem it would risk becomming a victim. Battlestar Gallactica was about a group of exploring/colonising/ ships that searched for Earth to settle on, while being obstructed by a former member (Balthazar I beleive) of that civilisation with his Scilon(??) robots. (for whatever reason that was). Don't see how that fits either. It's been said before. Better join a fleet.

Well, you might think that now, but as time goes our membership will grow and with our diverse caste structure, we are more able to handle different types of scenarios. Yes the Battlestar Galactica example was a wrong one to use, but youÔÇÖre looking at it from a different point of view.

The Corporation and its various elements could be hired to do something of that scale. Please see my previous post.

My motive of being an indie is simple I might not get time to join in with the fleetsdue to RL demands and that being the only commander currently active and based in an Asian country it would very hard for me to coordinate online time with the established fleets which are mostly US based.

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Rico posted on 08-28-2001

True, just linked a big organisation with slow and stiff operations.

Not true, in fact the Corporation might be a bit unwieldy but the Division elements are more versatile as you can see from RigaÔÇÖs and my proposed charterÔÇÖs thereÔÇÖs no bureaucracy involve during gameplay. Any member can do what they want with the exception of Office bearers and if they are on Corporation bases.

Sorry for the delay in answering. The other questions have been answered far more eloquently than I will ever do so IÔÇÖll leave it as it is.

[ 09-29-2001: Message edited by: Cmdr Jeffery Eu ]

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Been away for a few day's, but it was my girlfriends birthday, so I was not allowed much online time

Anyway, Rico I managed to update the quickstart page with most of your comments but have not find time to explain the last part (Genesis -> GalCom) yet. Will do so in a few days.

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Since you know where I was getting at, Jeffery, perhaps you can help me enlighten myself. Because of the considerable length and diverse discussion, I'm totally mistaking the forrest for the trees. Or whatever way that goes. Got lost on where you are heading at and comming from. Are you fleshing out GFH or Intercorp? Just the mercenaries or the whole caste-shjabang? Also I think you're doing the top-down approach, while i'm expecting a bottom-up one.

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Rico posted on 30-09-2001

Since you know where I was getting at, Jeffery, perhaps you can help me enlighten myself. Because of the considerable length and diverse discussion, I'm totally mistaking the forrest for the trees. Or whatever way that goes. Got lost on where you are heading at and comming from. Are you fleshing out GFH or Intercorp? Just the mercenaries or the whole caste-shjabang?

In answer to your question both, yes, I know I'm a sucker for punishment

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Rico posted on 09-30-2001

Also I think you're doing the top-down approach, while i'm expecting a bottom-up one.

yep, you got that right!!!

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Originally posted by Baloogan:

Sorry about posting in the economics page,,, but are applications still accepted?

I could help with the site, i've got a server, slow one though, no banners, to see the speed of my server goto

I also have experiance in asp...

[ 10-08-2001: Message edited by: Baloogan ]

Heh, applications are always accepted. Welcome aboard. The indie life is great, whatever these fleetguys say

Ok, first things first.

Have you decided on a race/caste yet? Would be really helpfull to orientate what intercorp could do for you (and naturally what you can do for intercorp )

About the site. Help is always apreciated, but what do you propose? Hosting it?maintaining it? asp-ing it? I have no objections to none, just curious.

Just drop me a mail.

Again, welcome aboard.

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I'm about to start working on the webpage again. What I want is to include member info.

I'll have a look at the fleet database, but other than that, I could use some personal info (like history, favourite food, whatever...),

So, Outlaw, Jiguko San, Baloogan and Jeffery, please send it to me (email or private message).

Thanks.

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Hosting(2 gbz big enoufe?) and asping, i not good at doing anything else because of my evil spelling mistakes and most of my websites turn out like a database acess point... MY server is based at vancouver so my site is not that fast to people almost any where else... never tested it but... in vancover you can get 1.54 megs per second

I plan to be a commertial or trader, or merk

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Originally posted by Baloogan:

Hosting(2 gbz big enoufe?) and asping, i not good at doing anything else because of my evil spelling mistakes and most of my websites turn out like a database acess point... MY server is based at vancouver so my site is not that fast to people almost any where else... never tested it but... in vancover you can get 1.54 megs per second

I plan to be a commertial or trader, or merk

[ 10-08-2001: Message edited by: Baloogan ]

I don't mind you hosting the site (I really would like to get rid of the current banners ).

I was planning on getting the www . intercorp-unlimited . com domain. I can redirect that to any site or directory on that site, so that would be no problem. However, when I do that I need to cordinate things with Jaguar, since he maintains (or owns?) the webring.

Just tried to download bestlinux.iso from you site. D'ld with about 10 Kb/s, but that's ok, fast enough for the current content of the intercorp site.

2 Gb? well, currently I'm well under 1 Mb, but things might change. The setup of the site however is clean and to the point. I would not like it to be too flashy (with an abundance of anims, etc). Well, you get the point. Also keeps the size of the site rather small

The asp programming could come in handy though for scripting member requests, and whatnot. I myself do cgi/perl programming, but cannot do that on the server the site is on (not permitted).

And your caste. Well, the difference between a commercial and a trader is that the commercial is in it for the money and the money alone. The trader is more involved in err... trading. He collects a lot of goods and sells them when there is demand. He might even trade goods for goods.

The merc? Well, Jeffery & Co. already have enough members (sorry Jeffery, have to look after MY interests as well ). Trader/Commercial is much more fun (your eyelids are getting heavy, you feel very relaxed, you believe that you want to be a trader...)

No, seriously, just think about it and let us know when you decide.

EDIT: split url. does not exists yet

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Hmm... Blades can get some hosting space off of the server he operates (he's sys-admin). He's given some Orion Fleet folks subdomains (like my RP site), and the server's fast. See www.orionfleet.com , or my site www.rp.orionfleet.com to see how fast! It's in the UK, but it's a great/fast server, anywhere! (at least it seems fast where I live.) I'm not sure if ASP is working. (Although Blades said it should, I don't know how, don't have enough time to learn right now.)

Here's his quote on the server (when I asked about the OS and config on the server):

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posted 09-01-2001 08:02

Nova, it's an NT server running IIS4 with the usual trimmings. CDONTS isnt working right (Im not sure why, even though it's my job to know why) but ASP, SQL and usual FP Extensions are. However, the current set up doesnt allow for the sub domains to publish via Front Page - so dont even try it.

posted 09-08-2001 08:52

I've corrected a slight oversight and enabled full use of FP extensions on all orionfleet.com sub domains. So, if you guys wanna go the FP2000 way, you can no do so.

If you ask nicely, he could get you a spot on the server, and a username for FTP Access, and possibly (cross yer fingers) a domain name or sub-domain name..... Guess you're gonna owe Orion a bit more favors.

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SIX pages?!? You guys must be pretty darn serious.

Darn-Tootin'! This is (IIRC), the biggest Indie thread, ever, and probably the closest plan ever to hit the E-Mail box of Tacops.

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Originally posted by Supreme Cmdr:

SIX pages?!? You guys must be pretty darn serious.

LOL, this calls for another press release

PRESS RELEASE (not)

Six guys on the dole recently decided to band together and formed a corporation. The corporation was funded by selling bubblegum to underaged teanagers with a personality disorder.

Local authorities were petitioned in order to get them recognized but failed since the building progress of their virtual world was not yet fully completed. Stubbornly they insisted and managed to write a six page letter of intent to the local deity, an entity purely made of energy.

Confident in the future they continue their efforts.

END PRESS RELEASE (not)

(evil grin..., again)

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Baloogan posted on 10-08-2001

Sorry about posting in the economics page,,, but are applications still accepted?

I could help with the site, i've got a server, slow one though, no banners, to see the speed of my server goto My server

I also have experiance in asp...

Welcome to our humble movement, actually no applications are required as weÔÇÖre not the fleets, membership is voluntary and free, but we do take our pint of blood out from any contracts we recommend. Please read this entire thread for more details.

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SC posted on 10-08-2001

SIX pages?!? You guys must be pretty darn serious.

You betcha weÔÇÖre serious. Glad, that you have the time to spend on reading posts from us commanders over this side of the BC universe. What do you think of our plans?

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Nova posted on 10-08-2001

Hmm... Blades can get some hosting space off of the server he operates (he's sys-admin). He's given some Orion Fleet folks subdomains (like my RP site), and the server's fast. See
, or my site
to see how fast! It's in the UK, but it's a great/fast server, anywhere! (at least it seems fast where I live.) I'm not sure if ASP is working. (Although Blades said it should, I don't know how, don't have enough time to learn right now.)

Thanks for the heads up, Nova. WeÔÇÖll still mulling over it.

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I don't know how far your negotiations with Wraith and Orion are comming along, but I have been assigned as Primefleet contactperson towards commercial indie organisations. Meaning that if you are interested, we can initiate exploratory talks about acces to Prime's stations and/or usage of our public communication channels (www.primefleet.com). If Intercorp is interrested, open commlink channel to [email protected]

BTW, you would think Intercorp has a email adress public for interested clients. But I have yet to find it on the homepage. (nudge, nudge)

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