Guest Posted July 13, 2006 Report Share Posted July 13, 2006 We have Hamas and Hizbollah killing and kidnapping Israeli soldiers, we have Israel attacking Lebanon, and the Palestinians. Iran is allying itself with Syria and is on high alert. Has it begun? and how will it end? Yes, I consider this WW4, because the cold war, although cold, was still what I consider a world war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostInSpace Posted July 13, 2006 Report Share Posted July 13, 2006 I was thinking the same thing when I read the news as it unfolds now and all that is going on with Iran and North Korea. Frankly, these nutters should have been blasted off the face of the Earth long before they've had the chance to get nukes and whatnot. MacArthur was right about North Korea. Israeli warplanes attack Beirut airport Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aramike Posted July 13, 2006 Report Share Posted July 13, 2006 Yes ... I'm back from vacation. What a great time it was, but now I must settle back into my political rants and diatribes... I'll call this World War III ... in the making. The Cold War wasn't really a "war" in the traditional sense. Even if we somewhat altered the meaning of "war" to suit it, it wouldn't have been a "world war" because there weren't all that many autonomous nations involved in the military build-up that was the Cold War. Remember ... if we're going to change the definition of war to involve the massive arms race known as the Cold War, only 2 nations were massively involved and invested. Not enough to justify calling it a World War in my opinion. A "war" perhaps, but not a "world war". That being said... Are we facing World War III? Indeed, we are. The Islamic world is against Western Culture and condemns it in such a mass-appeal agreement to make "democracy" seem impotent. Isn't it ironic how the governments of actual "democracies" have less support than Islamic dicatorships? So, while the Islamic world condemns us as "criminals" and "infidels", we are too busy facing the half of the country that condemns us (including themselves) as "nation builders" and "imperialists". I find it interesting how that "half" of the nation fails to notice that their many other "positions" such as: abortion, freedom of press (to be liberal), freedom of religion (so long as you're not Christian), women's rights and activism, freedom of expression (pornographic, vulgar, and otherwise), freedom FROM religion, the right to a fair trial (advocating the rights of the accused more than the victim), etc, et al, are the same ones that makes us "infidels" in the eyes of much of the middle east. See, the problem is that liberals want it both ways. They want us to show cursory respect for other cultures while those other cultures trash, disrespect, and condemn our own. So while another country can be close-minded, tyrannical, dictatorial, run-by-religion, kids can carry guns, etc, OUR country must understand that it's simply their "culture". But when OUR country involves Christians, guns that are CONTROLLED, democratically-elected governments that condemn certain Islamic countries, OUR nation is morally wrong in as much as we aren't "accepting" of other cultures. Apparently the liberals think we are morally superior to all others and therefore "more" should be expected of us. But wait - that can't be right, because then they would have to consider other cultures to be morally INFERIOR... Hmmm, how can we do THAT and get away with it? Oh, right ... let's have it both ways! Let's use OUR just laws and rights to assure that another's nations "laws" and "rights" are defended, EVEN IF they are directly opposite to ours! Who are WE to say that we are right in letting women vote? But we are right. And another nation is right to forbid it. EVERYONE is right! There ARE NO moral truths! Except for those "truths" that apply to us, because we're better than everyone else! Wiretap our overseas phone calls to suspected terrorists?!?! What an invasion! Just because Muslims don't accept that kind of behavior doesn't mean WE should! We're LIBERALS!!! Who says anyone else should have the same rights as WE DO? Yes, we are in World War III. Except that, right now, there are no battle lines, the weapons are mostly words and hypocrisies are in command. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weegee_101 Posted July 13, 2006 Report Share Posted July 13, 2006 quote:Originally posted by aramike: Yes, we are in World War III. Except that, right now, there are no battle lines, the weapons are mostly words and hypocrisies are in command. Sounds exactly like the start of World War I, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supreme Cmdr Posted July 13, 2006 Report Share Posted July 13, 2006 Israel can't take on Lebanon, Syria and Iran. They'll be wiped out before that particular party gets off the ground if Iran steps in to aid Syria. The US and its allies will once again get dragged into a war which had nothing to do with us to begin with. In fact, I won't be surprised if Israel didn't take on Syria. If nothing else, it would give Bush the excuse he needs to go into Iran. I can't wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostInSpace Posted July 13, 2006 Report Share Posted July 13, 2006 The way I've seen it is that isreal is taking out strategic targets first like the airport. All in the attempt to prevent the two israelie soldiers take by Hezbollah to be spirited away to Iran and also so they aren't resupplied by Iran. There's in no negotiation as well there should be none with these fanatics. From what I understand also, Hezbollah has been loping rockets into israel for the past two weeks prior to this kidnapping incident. The way I look at it, if you sleep with and harbor these kind of goups, you get what you deserve. There is only so much restraint one can deal with and enough is enough of playing footsy with these groups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Prezioso Posted July 14, 2006 Report Share Posted July 14, 2006 Israel can't win? WTF? How is it they are still even a nation with ancient bitter barbaric enemies on all sides? Israel re-wrote the book on how to kick @$$. I'm absolutely thrilled that the world (and more importantly, Americans) will now witness how a war against murdering thugs is supposed to be fought; and how one is decisively won. Watch and learn, world. Israel responds with overwhelming force, mercilessly, with no regard for the pansy peace-nik appeasement wimps who would have had us enslaved by the Islamo fascists long ago. As it should be. If you aren't one who is comfortable around cold, stark clarity in unwavering pursuit of a moral purpose, watching Israel in the next few weeks is going to make you squirm. Thank God for Israel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzle Posted July 14, 2006 Report Share Posted July 14, 2006 This is a bad, bad thing. While I agree that Israel knows how to throw it down and in this particular case is on the right side of justice, if it becomes a war of attrition, they'll lose. Of course that won't happen though because the world won't just stand by and let it. You can figure out the rest. Look on the bright side though. If Syria does have Saddam's WMD's, we may soon find out for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 14, 2006 Report Share Posted July 14, 2006 quote:Originally posted by Prez: Israel can't win? WTF? How is it they are still even a nation with ancient bitter barbaric enemies on all sides? Israel re-wrote the book on how to kick @$$. I'm absolutely thrilled that the world (and more importantly, Americans) will now witness how a war against murdering thugs is supposed to be fought; and how one is decisively won. Watch and learn, world. Israel responds with overwhelming force, mercilessly, with no regard for the pansy peace-nik appeasement wimps who would have had us enslaved by the Islamo fascists long ago. As it should be. If you aren't one who is comfortable around cold, stark clarity in unwavering pursuit of a moral purpose, watching Israel in the next few weeks is going to make you squirm. Thank God for Israel. AMEN BROTHER!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostinplace Posted July 14, 2006 Report Share Posted July 14, 2006 oh jesus... I hate to say it but the day that a nuclear power is wiped out by a coalition of prissy pretend muslims is not coming soon. sadly, syria (along with a province of syria that the entire world calls lebanon) and iran couldn't "wipe out" israel because they have this crazy desire to not see damascus, beirut, and tehran become radioactive piles of rubble overnight (does anyone believe the IDF ISN'T just waiting for an opportunity to push those buttons?) if you want to know if a new world war is coming, start by asking these questions: 1. is there someone who thinks his army can take on the entire world 2. is the rest of the world afraid he is right? 3. are his desires (the foremost of which is certainly money/power if 1 + 2 are yes) satisfiable through any means other than war? note, the money/power acquisition is necessary or else you have a long running conflict, NOT a war. hence Israel v. Allah will never erupt into war since neither side cares for economic gain more than seeing the other dead. umm, ok, that's hard to follow, so I'll simplify, the people of the levant region want to kill each other, they don't want war, just death. and nobody who matters wants to see war in israel, so what do we have? just more killing each other. World War I is the last war we'll ever see fought because of non economic reasons. every war since and planned has the potential for worthwhile tangible benefits to everyone engaged. ask yourself, what's worth getting 10 million of your people nuked for? (in terms of their tax revenue of course) join the discussion on how economy should drive warfare in the UCO Development forum. I want to be a space pirate -Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalshion Posted July 15, 2006 Report Share Posted July 15, 2006 quote:Originally posted by Prez: Israel can't win? WTF? How is it they are still even a nation with ancient bitter barbaric enemies on all sides? Israel re-wrote the book on how to kick @$$. I'm absolutely thrilled that the world (and more importantly, Americans) will now witness how a war against murdering thugs is supposed to be fought; and how one is decisively won. Watch and learn, world. Israel responds with overwhelming force, mercilessly, with no regard for the pansy peace-nik appeasement wimps who would have had us enslaved by the Islamo fascists long ago. As it should be. If you aren't one who is comfortable around cold, stark clarity in unwavering pursuit of a moral purpose, watching Israel in the next few weeks is going to make you squirm. Thank God for Israel. I hear ya Prez It's about time congress, the senate, the house of represenatives and the presidency witnesses what a TRUE war on terror is, and how one is suppose to be fought Perhaps this might tell our politicion's to stop running the military and let the military do it's JOB! Because so far the military hasn't been able to do it's job thanks to all the regulations (Geneva Convention) and stuff that they are under Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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