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"Where are the Christians?" - Pat Buchanan

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When Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert unleashed his navy and air force on Lebanon, accusing that tiny nation of an "act of war," the last pillar of Bush's Middle East policy collapsed.

First came capitulation on the Bush Doctrine, as Pyongyang and Tehran defied Bush's dictum: The world's worst regimes will not be allowed to acquire the world's worst weapons. Then came suspension of the democracy crusade as Islamic militants exploited free elections to advance to power and office in Egypt, Lebanon, Gaza, the West Bank, Iraq and Iran.

Now, Israel's rampage against a defenseless Lebanon ÔÇô smashing airport runways, fuel tanks, power plants, gas stations, lighthouses, bridges, roads and the occasional refugee convoy ÔÇô has exposed Bush's folly in subcontracting U.S. policy out to Tel Aviv, thus making Israel the custodian of our reputation and interests in the Middle East.

The Lebanon that Israel, with Bush's blessing, is smashing up has a pro-American government, heretofore considered a shining example of his democracy crusade. Yet, asked in St. Petersburg if he would urge Israel to use restraint in its airstrikes, Bush sounded less like the leader of the Free World than some bellicose city councilman from Brooklyn Heights.

What Israel is up to was described by its army chief of staff, Lt. Gen. Dan Halutz, when he threatened to "turn back the clock in Lebanon 20 years."

Olmert seized upon Hezbollah's capture of two Israeli soldiers to unleash the IDF in a pre-planned attack to make the Lebanese people suffer until the Lebanese government disarms Hezbollah, a task the Israeli army could not accomplish in 18 years of occupation.

Israel is doing the same to the Palestinians. To punish these people for the crime of electing Hamas, Olmert imposed an economic blockade of Gaza and the West Bank and withheld the $50 million in monthly tax and customs receipts due the Palestinians.

Then, Israel instructed the United States to terminate all aid to the Palestinian Authority, though Bush himself had called for the elections and for the participation of Hamas. Our Crawford cowboy meekly complied.

The predictable result: Fatah and Hamas fell to fratricidal fighting, and Hamas militants began launching Qassam rockets over the fence from Gaza into Israel. Hamas then tunneled into Israel, killed two soldiers, captured one, took him back into Gaza and demanded a prisoner exchange.

Israel's response was to abduct half of the Palestinian cabinet and parliament and blow up a $50 million U.S.-insured power plant. That cut off electricity for half a million Palestinians. Their food spoiled, their water could not be purified, and their families sweltered in the summer heat of the Gaza desert. One family of seven was wiped out on a beach by what the IDF assures us was an errant artillery shell.

Let it be said: Israel has a right to defend herself, a right to counter-attack against Hezbollah and Hamas, a right to clean out bases from which Katyusha or Qassam rockets are being fired and a right to occupy land from which attacks are mounted on her people.

But what Israel is doing is imposing deliberate suffering on civilians, collective punishment on innocent people, to force them to do something they are powerless to do: disarm the gunmen among them. Such a policy violates international law and comports neither with our values nor our interests. It is un-American and un-Christian.

But where are the Christians? Why is Pope Benedict virtually alone among Christian leaders to have spoken out against what is being done to Lebanese Christians and Muslims?

When al-Qaida captured two U.S. soldiers and barbarically butchered them, the U.S. Army did not smash power plants across the Sunni Triangle. Why then is Bush not only silent but openly supportive when Israelis do this?

Democrats attack Bush for crimes of which he is not guilty, including Haditha and Abu Ghraib. Why are they, too, silent when Israel pursues a conscious policy of collective punishment of innocent peoples?

Britain's diplomatic goal in two world wars was to bring the naive cousins in, to "pull their chestnuts out of the fire." Israel and her paid and pro-bono agents here appear determined to expand the Iraq war into Syria and Iran, and have America fight and finish all of Israel's enemies.

That Tel Aviv is maneuvering us to fight its wars is understandable. That Americans are ignorant of, or complicit in this, is deplorable.

Already, Bush is ranting about Syria being behind the Hezbollah capture of the Israeli soldiers. But where is the proof?

Who is whispering in his ear? The same people who told him Iraq was maybe months away from an atom bomb, that an invasion would be a "cakewalk," that he would be Churchill, that U.S. troops would be greeted with candy and flowers, that democracy would break out across the region, that Palestinians and Israelis would then sit down and make peace?

How much must America pay for the education of this man?

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Coop, please put a link(as per board rules) into the above post that gives credit to the speaker you quoted.

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Originally posted by Supreme Cmdr:

Pat's gone and lost his marbles. Oh wait. Nevermind.

EXACTLY, the boy is GONE!!!

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they had long enough to disarm the gunmen among them. do they even try to?

how many people does hezbollah have to abduct before the world says to israel yes you are justified, how big a number of deaths must be reached in supermarkets and restaurants hit by suicide bombers before israel can respond? 1? 2?

1000? 10,000?

Israel is regarding every life of each citizen as important. to israel, adbuct 2 soldiers, you might have well have killed 1000.

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Israel is regarding every life of each citizen as important. to israel, adbuct 2 soldiers, you might have well have killed 1000.

Better to not wait for 1000 to have been killed.

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well im just making that point, everyone is saying israel over reacts, or they say lord only two soldiers and they destroy a city, but how much does it have to be? I believe this question was being asked in star trek insurrection when the Sona were going to relocate the baku because they were only 600 people...

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It's about time Israel stopped listening to the rest of the world, especially Europe, where the hell was Europoe when the Nazi's were rounding up all the Jews? Europe is made up of a bunch of weak minded pacifists that believes that you can reason with and make deals with a bunch of thugs.

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the rest of Europe had already been conquered those that weren't part of the Axis powers anyway...

Except for Britain.

Israel should launch a rememberance campaign. How can anyone take a leader like the President of Iran seriously when he calls for the destruction of Israel...

Israel should just blow him up too.

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Originally posted by Darkling:

It's about time Israel stopped listening to the rest of the world, especially Europe, where the hell was Europoe when the Nazi's were rounding up all the Jews? Europe is made up of a bunch of weak minded pacifists that believes that you can reason with and make deals with a bunch of thugs.


...and what makes you believe that Israel listens to the rest of the world? Most especially Europe? Gimme a break.

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Isreal isn't listening to ANYONE

Not the UN

Not the US

To anyone for that matter, Isreal is just damn sick and tired of being attacked and having it's citizens killed for 'no' reason.

Like I said - THIS is what a War really is.

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What makes me believe it is things like giving Palestinians the Gaza Strip. Why in the world would they think that appeasing these groups would help them in any way is beyond me. These Arab countries love these people so much? Take back the Gaza Strip, make it a Permanent part of Israel, and kick these people out.

When the country of Israel was formed in 1947, These guys CHOSE not to live in peace, they wanted the destruction of Israel at ALL costs, in addition, the Oslo accords, primarily fell apart because the Palestinians would not renounce that their PRIMARY purpose was the destruction of Israel, again, they CHOSE not to live in peace. The time for half measures and cease fires is over.

During both the Carter years and the Clinton years, after these terrorist attacked, cease fires were brokered and declared, but they only served to postpone the inevitable, it gave them time to rebuild, restock, resupply and get ready for a bigger fight each time. You won't see the terrorists ready for a cease fire, until they run out of Ammo, only then will they throw up the white flag. Israel should use this as an opportunity to destroy them once and for all.

On a side note, one of the "Hero's" that these guys want back is a guy who led a small team into Israel, killed a security guard at an apartment complex and took a father and his 4 year old girl hostage. After holding them for several hours, they went and shot the guy right in front of his daughter to terrorize her, then they smashed her head with the butt of the rifle against a rock. If a US Solder did something like this, they would be court-marshalled and face the death penalty.

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