Supreme Cmdr Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 If this is true, it could be huge and scary at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rnpoole Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 It would take a lot more than a coincidence of common names in a family tomb to make me seriously consider this claim. I don't see how this could be more than a tattered supposition. It could have been hoaxed in antiquity for all we know. It is an interesting diversion and an incredibly divisional claim to have come up as the Bush administration has cocked the hammer on Iran. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supreme Cmdr Posted February 28, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 Yep. What I want to know is, where he got the DNA samples from to use as a comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rnpoole Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 quote:Originally posted by Supreme Cmdr: Yep. What I want to know is, where he got the DNA samples from to use as a comparison. Exactly. I think the whole thing is preposterous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolferz Posted March 1, 2007 Report Share Posted March 1, 2007 Nomad, To answer your last question.... Simple, they located a single strand of hair from the buried ruins of a manger in Bethlhem. Shroud of Turin??? We all know that that thing was a hoax invented by DaVinci to aid the ruling family of Turin with thier political dealings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest $iLk Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 The book is already out. I'm thinking he wants to sell more books. I found a tomb in Mexico where Pedro Gonzalez was buried. Based on that name I know exactly who it was! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weegee_101 Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 quote:Originally posted by Wolferz: Simple, they located a single strand of hair from the buried ruins of a manger in Bethlhem. Yeah, really scientific too! I mean, of course we all know that DNA lasts forever, right? Sigh, mtDNA isn't even that reliable... and even so, whats to say the Jesus didn't have a family. There's no where in the bible that it doesn't say that, and Theologists have said for a long while that it was completely possible Jesus had married Mary. Its also been debated for a long while whether or not Jesus' body itself ascended to heaven or if it was just his spirit, as the word the bible uses for body in Hebrew can be defined either way, but leans closer to body. Personally, I think this all might be a hoax, and in the event that it isn't, fine, someone found the empty shell of Jesus Christ. Can we get on to the important issues like actually WALKING and PRACTICING his teachings and get over this prideful bickering? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serondal Posted March 4, 2007 Report Share Posted March 4, 2007 AMEN @ WeeGee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingray Posted March 4, 2007 Report Share Posted March 4, 2007 I'm surprized the tomb isn't already on sale on eBay... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Zwycky Posted March 4, 2007 Report Share Posted March 4, 2007 The 'DNA evidence' they present is that the mitochondrial DNA of a sample taken from the 'Marianemoumara' ossuary does not match that of a smaple from the 'Jesus son of Joseph' ossuary, though these ossuaries have been in the open for over 20 years and were not stored with preserving DNA evidence in mind, so the chances of contamination of the samples are quite high, meaning even this non-match is uncertain. They didn't even take and study samples from any of the other ossuaries, which is sloppy scientific procedure at best. The main 'force' of their argument is the names, which is a lot less forceful than they make it appear. The logic used in arriving at the likelihood of these names belonging to Jesus Christ's family involved a highly misleading use of statistics, massively overstating the probabilities involved (e.g. ignoring name mismatches or even treating them as positive matches, assessing the probability of purely this combination of names rather than all name combinations that would be equally or more statistically impressive), appealing to multiple conspiracy theories to explain away the lack of supporting evidence and evidence to the contrary. (In the above article, the note about the dimensions of the 'James, brother of Jesus' ossuary has since been retracted, that it is the same size as the 'missing' ossuary, but it still stands that the James ossuary was reported as coming from a very different location, Silwan (and contained dirt matching soil from that location, unlike the talpiot ossuaries), there is already a photograph of it from the 1970's, when the talpiot tomb had not yet been discovered, and the original excavator of the talpiot tomb has repeatedly stated that the 'missing' ossuary was blank with no inscription whatsoever and did not disappear, it was just placed in a seperate storage area with all the other blank ossuaries because there was nothing interesting about it and there was a shortage of storage space). Would it be overly cynical of me to suggest there is too much hype and too little substance to these claims? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weegee_101 Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 quote:Originally posted by Ben Zwycky: Would it be overly cynical of me to suggest there is too much hype and too little substance to these claims? No, because its true, there is far too little substance to these claims. At this point, its just non-believers trying to make themselves feel special because they don't believe. Personally I wish people would just get over themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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