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Land of anime, sushi and gun control.

Paradise...

No wait.. $#@$@ hard language to learn. Life is so unfair *sigh*.

FYI, I was very distressed when my cousin legally acquired a glock pistol, a shotgun and a 9mm carbine only 10 days after receiving his green card. And I tell ya, I KNOW my cousin and would never even lend him a nerf gun. Its crazy. He had barely been in the US for 2 months and did not have a job or speak english. I wonder what this "background check" deal looks at

Florida is not only messed up election-wise..wow.

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If gun conrol wasn't so lax in this country, 16 people might still be alive today[/QB]

Then again, if everyone in that restaurant owned and carried the gun they are entitled to, there would have been one psycho with at least 16 holes in him. If the only people that carry the guns are nuts or criminals, THAT is a problem. If everyone carries, nuts and criminals have very short lives.

God help America.

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No remo, it would only make those that can afford them be able to defend themselves.

Even if you made them affordable (and some already are.. $180 for a 9mm carbine, cripes!) the odds will still be in the "crooks" favour...they are the ones coming in ready for it, you are just the poor SOB who has to react to them...and whose reaction is very likely to get a LOT more people killed.

Seen it, been in it, dont want to be in that position again. EVER.

An interesting note though: In Colombia the "police" (and to that I refer to a reaction force, not a police force that gives you speeding tickets or makes sure you dont park in the blue lines) are armed with full assault gear, similar to any regular Army soldier (GALIL and R-15 assault rifles). The standoffs the police have with the few punks stupid enough to pull a gun and face the police always end with the crooks dead. Even if they surrender they are killed (Ley de Fuga // "Fleeing Law" its informally called. They were "fleeing" when they were shot). It sends a message. The common criminal that cannot afford military grade gear has to either give it up or make DAMN sure he gets away before the police arrive. Those who can afford the military grade weapons cant withstand the training and numbers the police brings with them. And those who can do both are always the terrorist army soldiers of the ELN or FARC.

In any case, a population of armed, ignorant civilians is more dangerous than a pissed off priest sitting on a powder keg with a lit candle stuck up his arse.

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Tac,

You come from a country in revolution obviously, and your experiences have been bad.

Here in the US we have grown up with guns, I know that I have. Had a .22 before I was 10, bought my first pistol on my 21st birthday. I have grown up with guns, a good portion of the US citizens in this country have as well.

A criminal is a strange creature, they come in to do a job and they normally will give themselves away pretty quick.

A friend of mine, with a CWP, was sitting in a McDonalds, and a goofball walked right into the store with a pistol pulled and in his right hand, walked right up to the register and demanded money. My friend pulled out his Glock warned the man to drop his gun, the guy turned his gun towards my friend and my friend blew him away right there in front of the cashier. End of Story... end of criminal, and crime history of criminal.

2 and half million crimes are stopped in thier tracks due to your so-called ignorant citizens with guns. You may not like guns, and that's just fine, but do not expect us to give up our 2nd amendment right to keep and bear arms because you are afraid of them and it will make you feel better.

I would much rather have EVERY person who can legally carry a gun, carry one, then to have some criminal walk into a place and shoot people randomly without the victims being able to fight back.

You go right ahead and be a pacifist, and be afraid of guns, I am NOT a pacifist, and I am NOT afraid of guns, whether they be in the hands of a criminal or a citizen.

If a criminal pulls a gun, I shoot him, it's that easy, and that is because I carry at ALL times. The more people that carry the less likely there will be a crime. The less people carry, your being robbed or victimized in some way, go up several orders.

I DO NOT go to New York, California, Washington DC, and if I can help it, I DO NOT go to Canada. If the citizens are not armed, I do not feel safe, if I am not armed, I do not feel safe. I take responsibility for my security, you give that right to the government, and that is one thing I refuse to do.

Give up your guns, WE will protect you, YEAH RIGHT!! I don't think so!!!

I will say again, a policeman is REACTIVE, he shows up AFTER a crime has been committed, an armed citizen is PROACTIVE, he will either stop the crime or shoot the criminal on the spot.

My wife has a hard time with this concept, taking a life to protect myself, my family, or my property, it surprises her that I am willing to kill someone that would attempt to rob or harm me. It is my right, it is also my responsibility.

I am the one that is responsible for my families security. Did you know that if you call 911 during an event, and it takes them 30 minutes to get there, and in that time you are hurt or killed, you nor your family have the RIGHT TO SUE the police? It is NOT thier responsibility to protect you, only to enforce the law if it is broken, so if you are murdered because they took too long, well too bad for you or your family.

Your personal security and your families security is YOUR responsibility, and without a gun, how well are you going to be able to do that?

NOT VERY WELL!!!

And the fact of the matter is, I only know of one person whom had guns that I didn't trust. He was indeed one of the ignorant citizens that you claim are everywhere, which I will tell you that you're wrong. Took me years to finally come across this moron, and fact of the matter is, he's dead. Killed himself with his own gun, while cleaning it, bad for him, good for the gene pool.

This may sound harsh, but fools with guns will take care of themselves quite nicely and normally 99.9999% of the time without involving anyone else in the process.

and to hear you talk, if a victim has a gun they are more likely to hurt themselves or others then the perpetrator, I have NEVER heard of this happening, EVER!! Either the criminal has dropped thier own weapon and given up, fled the scene as fast as thier little feet could carry them, or was shot and wounded, or shot and killed, I have yet to hear of any substantial collateral damage caused by a citizen with a gun. Sure a hole in the ceiling from a warning shot, but that is about it. And I would much rather have one wounded victim and a dead criminal, then 20 dead and the criminal committing suicide.

Which would you rather have? Because without at least one of those victims being armed, that is exactly what can happen, and will.

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Then again, if everyone in that restaurant owned and carried the gun they are entitled to, there would have been one psycho with at least 16 holes in him.


Actually, you must have misread my post, this was 2 separate incidences and had nothing to do with a restaurant. One was a crime of passion by a jealous boyfriend (and Jag, if he had only a knife, I think two fit adults would have been able to overpower him, or at least run away). The other was in a regional parliament building, which had armed guards. Not very good ones, obviously. Part of my point was, that the guy in the second incident had a criminal record, including one incident with a firearm and several of indecent exposure. He had no right to be in possession of the 3 weapons he used in the first place.

His grudge was about whether he was allowed to build a wall or not, and that cost 14 people their lives.

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GUN CONTROL!!!

I have done so much research on it, it kills me...well not that much research but enough to have an opinion.

Very simple.

Nothing good comes of 'more' gun control, nor taking guns away all together.

1.statisticly proven crime actually goes up when a country takes away firearms, i.e. Great Britain.

-If I 'was' a criminal I would want guns to be taken away from the good average old citezens completely leaving them helpless only the police, faster than a speeding bullet, will save you...it would make any criminals life easier.

2. History tells us its not good........guns were taken away from citizens in Germany post WW2, look what happened. And many other tragic events involving mass killings.

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I could go on and on but its getting late and I'm going to bed.

but keep in mind I'm not anti all forms of gun control, its just that there are already many laws out there, we keep making more and more laws, but is that getting us anywhere?

just one more thing...how is a law going to stop an unlawful person from from committing an unlawful act.

Dont tell me that by taking away ALL the guns it will stop everyting....remember when alchohal was against the law, during that time it just made people like Al Copone RICHER.

IF none of this makes any sense right now I'll try to clarify tomorrow, I'm running on empty...

P.S. Can't wait till BCM comes out.

I'm just curious, who and who is not in this forum against and not against gun control? tell me why...

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Don't really know much about the topic of gun control what I do know is this. Over here in Malaysia, gun control is absolute, no one owns a weapon without permits and then only licensed security guards, police officers, field military personnel as opposed to administrative military personnel and bank managers.

Even with that kind of control we still have weapons falling into the hands of criminals, in fact just recently a group of cultist forged their way into a military base and appropriated military weapons which ended with a couple of police officers being killed before they were taken down.

So gun control or not, if some whacko wants to get a weapon, he or she will get it by hook or by crook, unless the world decides to destroy all weapons, nothing you or i agree or disagree upon will work. Even then, a person could get a machete or a "parang" as a substitute.

It's not the weapons that are dangerous, it is the people holding on the weapons.

[ 10-18-2001: Message edited by: Cmdr Jeffery Eu ]

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Guns are restricted in France.

No pistols, only hunting rifle or similar weapons. No war weapons are permitted, and knifes are restricted.

But I do not think restriction is the point. France as most of Europeen citizen never used to have lots of guns.

It is a cultural thing. When I read previous posts, I just wondered "By God, why should a normal guy need a tank in its garden, a rocket launcher in its saloon and a kalashnikov in its bed room ????? Don't they have police to maintan law and order ?".

It is very difficult for lots of Europeen

people to understand the way USA deals with personal weapons. Especially when you realize that in UK, most of policemen don't even have a gun.

There is some figures I still remember from my school years. In a text about a comparution between frensh and US criminals, there was this number slipped in : in the previous year, there has been around 40 dead by gun shoots in France, and around 10000 in USA. This was around 1985.

Having read this (very interesting) thread

I will not dare to say if weapon free access is good or bad for USA. I acknowledge that USA is a democratic country which is staying whith this system. What is not even thinkable in France (or in most of Europe) is part of the Law in USA. What is weird for me is a normal right for some US citizens.

Definitely, we do live in interesting times.

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The United States is referred to as a "gun-culture" by other parts of the world. In fact it may be that firearms ownership here is what keeps the government in check. The government cannot go off on some terrifying agenda while only it owns guns.

BTW Jaguar read This

These people want to put signs on their lawns saying they don't have guns in their house.

Anyway many statistics are never reported.

In 97% of all cases in the US where a gun is used in self defense, it is never fired.

In fact, any statistic you get inflating the number of gun deaths is people turning the gun on themselves being counted. That's where the infamous "you are more likely to shoot yourself or your family" argument comes from.

Guns are the preferred method of suicides.

Anyway gun violence around the US is very rare in areas where gun control doesn't exist and citizens are required to own guns. Take different places in idaho and utah which are completely armed. Almost ZERO gun violence.

Then take California and Washington D.C. where only the police have guns (and criminals) they have the highest rates of gun violence in the country.

We need guns in the US because of the degeneracy of culture. They weren't so necessary actually years ago, most people weren't afraid to leave their doors unlocked at night.

Now you can't take the chance not to.

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BTW Jaguar read This


Oh, My, god, what a bunch of psychobabble gobbledy gook, I just can't stand it!!

I would love to see that sign go up on front of all gun control advocates houses, I really would. But to go through all that crap, man, sorry, nothing like a bullet to knock some sense into someone, nothing lik the sight of a pistol in a houseowners hand, for a crook to see his life flash before his eyes, and what a mistake that life is.

Hmm, psychology or gun in my hand, talk to the intruder or shoot the intruder. Hmmmm, that's REAL tough, NOT.....bang, call the coroner!!

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Yeah, I saw that new law articel over on Freerepublic. What a crock, I really wish the San Andreas would cut loose and knock that puppy into the sea.

What a bunch of socialist treasonous power hungry MORONS!!!

Like I said, I don't go to California if I can help it, what a bunch of goofballs.

Although if the national right to carry law goes through, they will not have a choice but to let me carry in thier state, wouldn't that just piss them off. If you live in California, you can't carry, but if you are from out of state and have your states CWP, they don't have a choice but to let you carry!! ROFLMAO!!!

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I hope that goes through (didn't know we had one in the works)

Down South all states honor other states conceal carry laws and permits, so I can travel across borders and still benefit from my own state's laws instead of whacked up ones.

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Yep, it's pretty cool, the problem up here is that they are almost socialist, Washington and Oregon want the revenue for the CWP's, 40 + the class here in Oregon and 60 for the CWP in Washington, so they do not recognize the other because of the revenue involved. If they pass this puppy, If I live in Washington, WA. gets the Revenue and Oregon can kiss off, and Vice versa!! Pretty cool stuff.

And Gallion, I know that I can own a tank, but fact is, it SHOULD NOT have to be demilitarized!! If I want a 120 mm cannon and I can afford it, and I am NOT a criminal, well then I should be able to own it!! END OF STORY!!

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And also...

Lets go back 40 years after WW2. and comepare a small part of the past to the present.

These WW2 vets many of whom D-day survivors come back home to the sates in celebration of the victory, some of them come home to their farms in Wisconsin, Georgia, Michihan Illinois. Everyone in those towns and the farmers have guns, some of the farmers even know HOW to bore their own rifles and design their own gunshells(like my granfather).

If someone breaks into their house you think one of these war vets is going to hesitate even for a SECOND to pull the trigger on the intruder. HELL NO.

People then had more respect for others property, no one trespassed on others land.

America has been living in very good times and I think we have sort of lost the hard edge we once had.

When we had a problem we took care of it.

What if- Cuba; we would have taken care of our problem, the dictator....maybe Russia wouldn't have been able to threaten us by sending nukes over there

What if- Iraq; we would have take 'care' of Sadam Insane, and perhaps if they back the teliban the teliban wouldn't have so much money, ect.

speaking of Iraq,

Facts: 1990's we go ever there and kick there ass, when we had the chance to cut off the neck of the Dragon we instead keep it alive and send inspectors to make sure; "you arn't doing anything bad you naughty sadam you!"

which then soon ceases and we forget about it.

meanwhile Sadam is not going to be very happy about getting his ass kicked and you think he won't try to get revenge? Now his army is as big as it was during the Gulf.

Anyways now back to my point.

I Like my guns, gun control is bad.

The day I cannot keep my guns is the day I just lost my freedom.

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Lets go back 40 years after WW2. and comepare a small part of the past to the present.

These WW2 vets many of whom D-day survivors come back home to the sates in celebration of the victory, some of them come home to their farms in Wisconsin, Georgia, Michihan Illinois. Everyone in those towns and the farmers have guns, some of the farmers even know HOW to bore their own rifles and design their own gunshells(like my granfather).

Well said.

I've been watching the HBO series Band Of Brothers, and I can see exactly what you're saying. Either this country has forgotten where we came from, or this country is now full of people who have no connection to where we came from. I used to think it was the former, but I'm beginning to think that it is the latter.

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I saw an article yesterday, you can order a modern day russian APC for $80,000 - a t34 tank for $40,000 - Navy Seal fast mover for $20,000...

Interesting stuff.

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