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GODDAMNIT!!!! HOW COME I MISS ALL THE GOOD WARS!!!!

Damnit, gotta wait till after college so i can join as an officer

GO GET EM BOYS!!!!

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...stark warnings to the generals that they will be hunted down and killed if they follow any orders to activate chemical or biological weapons.


thats no deterant, if they want to, they can still use the chemical or biological weapons and kill thousands of ppl, all for the loss of 1 person. plus the generals have 2 choices, kill thousands of americans and die a hero in his country, or disobey an order and die a traitor, hmm what do u think hes gonna pick huh? America is getting stupid AGAIN. and what good will killin Saddam do? there will be someone else to replace him

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One U.S. official said: "It's really no longer a question of if. The president believes Sept. 11 has given him a mandate and that the war on terrorism cannot be considered completed as long as Saddam Hussein remains in power."

how come its ok for us to go galvanting around the world attacking countries and killing thier leaders when they make attacks or threats against the US (even though we provoked the attacks and threats)? yet when america does the same (i.e. Saddam) they cant fight back with whatever theyve got. i know chemical and biological weapons are excessive and shouldnt be used, but when ur country (i.e. Iraq) is getting over run by a larger aggressor (i.e. USA), do u really care how u kill them?

and this whole BS about a war on terrorism is fake. America just wanted an excuse to galavant around the world killing ppl who dont like Americas ideals and actions. does that mean what American does is supreme and the only correct way to live?

America is the worlds most hated country, y cause we get our noses into everyone elses business and treat them like they are worthless. Bin Laden was trained by the US to fight Russia, once the Cold War was over, and Russia driven outa Afganistan, we abandoned them and left them to clean up. the taliban was able to takeover cause of us

u guys need to open up ur eyes and see through the lies and discipline yourselves to stay alive

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Originally posted by JJ:

GODDAMNIT!!!! HOW COME I MISS ALL THE GOOD WARS!!!!

ummm... if youve ever been in a conflict, or seen people or friends die, you wouldnt be so hardcore about this...

this shit is not a joke, its not some video game either. its real life, and the loser... well... lets just say there are no continues.

but again, i see this thread getting blown into YET ANOTHER political discussion.

first/last post for me.

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Originally posted by Enigma:

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...stark warnings to the generals that they will be hunted down and killed if they follow any orders to activate chemical or biological weapons.


thats no deterant, if they want to, they can still use the chemical or biological weapons and kill thousands of ppl, all for the loss of 1 person. plus the generals have 2 choices, kill thousands of americans and die a hero in his country, or disobey an order and die a traitor, hmm what do u think hes gonna pick huh? America is getting stupid AGAIN. and what good will killin Saddam do? there will be someone else to replace him


Nah, we'll put in a democratic government and remove Iraq's military infrastructure. They'll be harmless after we're done with em.

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One U.S. official said: "It's really no longer a question of if. The president believes Sept. 11 has given him a mandate and that the war on terrorism cannot be considered completed as long as Saddam Hussein remains in power."

how come its ok for us to go galvanting around the world attacking countries and killing thier leaders when they make attacks or threats against the US (even though we provoked the attacks and threats)? yet when america does the same (i.e. Saddam) they cant fight back with whatever theyve got. i know chemical and biological weapons are excessive and shouldnt be used, but when ur country (i.e. Iraq) is getting over run by a larger aggressor (i.e. USA), do u really care how u kill them?

and this whole BS about a war on terrorism is fake. America just wanted an excuse to galavant around the world killing ppl who dont like Americas ideals and actions. does that mean what American does is supreme and the only correct way to live?

America is the worlds most hated country, y cause we get our noses into everyone elses business and treat them like they are worthless. Bin Laden was trained by the US to fight Russia, once the Cold War was over, and Russia driven outa Afganistan, we abandoned them and left them to clean up. the taliban was able to takeover cause of us

u guys need to open up ur eyes and see through the lies and discipline yourselves to stay alive



First, it doesn't matter if we helped to create the problem or not. The past doesn't matter. What matters is the fact that they are NOW a problem, and should be destroyed. I don't care if I sell a gun to a friend, if they become my enemy and try to shoot me, i'm going to shoot them first.

Second, so what if we go galavanting around the world and taking over everyone under the guise of a war on terror? Honestly, I believe Saddam is a threat, and so are our other targets. They make threats against the US, we make it so they can NEVER even THINK of carrying out those threats. But let's just say that everyone hates us because we stick our nose in everywhere (we only stick our nose in for our best interests anyway). Now, we have two choices. We either stop sticking our noses in (and let our interests go to hell, along with the rest of the world) OR we just keep sticking our noses in, and kill anyone who doesn't like it. Seeing that we spend so much money on the military, I see no reason why we shouldn't use it to help the quality of life for ourselves and the people that we are freeing from dictatorships.

[ 07-29-2002, 08:44 PM: Message edited by: Dredd ]

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First, it doesn't matter if we helped to create the problem or not. The past doesn't matter. What matters is the fact that they are NOW a problem, and should be destroyed. I don't care if I sell a gun to a friend, if they become my enemy and try to shoot me, i'm going to shoot them first.

Second, so what if we go galavanting around the world and taking over everyone under the guise of a war on terror? Honestly, I believe Saddam is a threat, and so are our other targets. They make threats against the US, we make it so they can NEVER even THINK of carrying out those threats. But let's just say that everyone hates us because we stick our nose in everywhere (we only stick our nose in for our best interests anyway). Now, we have two choices. We either stop sticking our noses in (and let our interests go to hell, along with the rest of the world) OR we just keep sticking our noses in, and kill anyone who doesn't like it. Seeing that we spend so much money on the military, I see no reason why we shouldn't use it to help the quality of life for ourselves and the people that we are freeing from dictatorships.

first, the past does matter a whole lot, history is doomed to repeat itself cause ppl like u choose to ignore it. and if u leave things unfinished, they are bound to come back and bite u butt.

second, what i ment by us making threats was we make them first, unprovoked. and apparently not only dp they think they follow through, so our threats are pointless. if someone calls a bluff, i know for a fact someone will test it. and all this about our interests, BAH, what happened to the interests here in our own damn land? ppl starving and homeless, yet we can send billions to countries like Bra-kai (fake name) to help them get food and housing. what good it, freeing them from one dictator just to put them under another, is that really higher quality life? the US is the biggest dictator in the world. we are acting alot like Germany, Russia, and Italy were. the few control the many. kinda wierd how America does its dictatorship under the guise of "Democracy", yet America is a Republic, hmm kinda fishy if u ask me

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Enigma- Typical California youth-

obviously u dont know The Land of The Rising Sun (a.k.a. The Sunshine State and Cali) that well then. most youths are ignorant to the truth, anyways its like that in every state. so say what u think, but typical i am not. and my age has nothing to do with it

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I know California, I was in the US Navy there, thats why I live in the real Sunshine State, Florida!

[ 07-29-2002, 10:03 PM: Message edited by: MIKE113 ]

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first, the past does matter a whole lot, history is doomed to repeat itself cause ppl like u choose to ignore it. and if u leave things unfinished, they are bound to come back and bite u butt.

We're correcting our past mistake of leaving Saddam in power after the gulf war. Aren't going to leave it unfinished this time.....

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second, what i ment by us making threats was we make them first, unprovoked. and apparently not only dp they think they follow through, so our threats are pointless. if someone calls a bluff, i know for a fact someone will test it. and all this about our interests, BAH, what happened to the interests here in our own damn land? ppl starving and homeless, yet we can send billions to countries like Bra-kai (fake name) to help them get food and housing. what good it, freeing them from one dictator just to put them under another, is that really higher quality life? the US is the biggest dictator in the world. we are acting alot like Germany, Russia, and Italy were. the few control the many. kinda wierd how America does its dictatorship under the guise of "Democracy", yet America is a Republic, hmm kinda fishy if u ask me


Everyone already IS under the "dictator" of the United States, at least in the sense you seem to be talking about. Our international interests are important to help our economy so that more people don't become starving and homeless. Also, why should the government help our starving and homeless with tax dollars from the other groups? The middle-class and and upper-class would rather have the government use their tax money to HELP American international interests (keep the economy stable and oil prices low and international interests in good standing, etc) than stupid socialistic welfare programs that dont help them at all.

Finally, America's "dictatorship", whether you like it or not, is better for individual interests in foreign countries. We at least, when "taking over" other countries give the people rights and freedoms that they don't have under their current regime. Yes, we are all controlled by the government, but it's better if you have CHOICE in regards to the government as opposed to dictators like Saddam. Again, we gotta get rid of Saddam, and if we don't we're going to get hurt because of it.

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Originally posted by MIKE113:

I know California, I was in the US Navy there, thats why I live in the real Sunshine State, Florida!

Florida the Sunshine State? riiiiiiight, Florida is God's waiting house (oops i said the G-word)

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Originally posted by Dredd:

Everyone already IS under the "dictator" of the United States, at least in the sense you seem to be talking about. Our international interests are important to help our economy so that more people don't become starving and homeless. Also, why should the government help our starving and homeless with tax dollars from the other groups? The middle-class and and upper-class would rather have the government use their tax money to HELP American international interests (keep the economy stable and oil prices low and international interests in good standing, etc) than stupid socialistic welfare programs that dont help them at all.

Finally, America's "dictatorship", whether you like it or not, is better for individual interests in foreign countries. We at least, when "taking over" other countries give the people rights and freedoms that they don't have under their current regime. Yes, we are all controlled by the government, but it's better if you have CHOICE in regards to the government as opposed to dictators like Saddam. Again, we gotta get rid of Saddam, and if we don't we're going to get hurt because of it.

oh yea, our interests are so imporant, that ppl are STILL becoming homeless and starving. some good its doing us huh. and an economy doesnt run at all when ppl dont buy things cause they dont have jobs or cant afford anything. oh yeah were smart, wasting money on other staving and homeless instead of our own (which is a better boost of the economy). btw theres almost no middle class anymore. oil smoil, we have tons here in america, y cant we use our own? the Great Depression was only remedied cause AMERICAN citizens had jobs helping the war effort. since the whole country had jobs and money, the economy was strong and healthy. so are international interests really better when the answer lies on our own soil, in our own cities? take a look at the whole picture before you speak.

yes Saddam needs to be stopped, as do a lot of wannabe Hitlers, but how do we know the whole country wants to be Americanized, or become a democracy? they might like their govt, culture, traditions and whatnots. but yet we change all that cause of thier leader, who had the balls to do what others couldnt or wouldnt do

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oh yea, our interests are so imporant, that ppl are STILL becoming homeless and starving. some good its doing us huh. and an economy doesnt run at all when ppl dont buy things cause they dont have jobs or cant afford anything.

We already pour enough money into social welfare programs in the United States! At some point, people are poor and in bad situations because they dont TRY to get out of the situation, and then they put the blame on the government. In a capitalistic society, if you work, you can get ahead. If you don't work, no amount of welfare (unless you actually GIVE money to people FOR BEING POOR which just takes away any drive to help themselves) is going to get rid of the homeless in the US. The money is better spent taking out threats to the nation, such as Iraq. If they get WMDs, a lot more people are going to die in the US from Biological, Chemical, and Nuclear weapons than they would from starvation and homelessness (and no, I don't think Iraq will launch the missiles at us, they'll just sell em to terrorist groups).

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oil smoil, we have tons here in america, y cant we use our own?

Because we use a lot more than we can get on our own, and if we only use our own the supply will be so low than oil prices will skyrocket.

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the Great Depression was only remedied cause AMERICAN citizens had jobs helping the war effort.

Last I checked, the latest economic downturn wasn't caused by a lack of jobs. Regardless, in order for AMERICAN CITIZENS to have just helping the WAR EFFORT, there needs to BE A WAR. So, thanks for the argument. The US *SHOULD* go around taking out oppressive governments, because then we'd need a war effort, and thus more jobs to support it.

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so are international interests really better when the answer lies on our own soil, in our own cities? take a look at the whole picture before you speak.

Yeah, because if we don't take care of international problems, they are going to get bigger and bigger and then hurt us or our trade. If our trade gets screwed up, the economy gets seriously screwed up.

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yes Saddam needs to be stopped, as do a lot of wannabe Hitlers, but how do we know the whole country wants to be Americanized, or become a democracy?

We don't know, and it's impossible to know until we do it. The people who have escaped say the country wants to become a democracy. The ones still living there say it wants to stay the way it is...mainly because if they say anything else they'll be shot. Dead people can't speak their mind.

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they might like their govt, culture, traditions and whatnots. but yet we change all that cause of thier leader, who had the balls to do what others couldnt or wouldnt do

Yes, we do. Leaders can't stay in power without either the support, complacency, or ignorance of its people. Besides, the people in these countries are OPPRESSED. They are force fed propoganda, and are shot if they disagree with the government. Anything is better than that.

Ok, having balls is not always a good thing. Sure, I might go up to some idiot 50x my size and say "your an idiot", but i'm also going to get pounded into a pulp. That's what should happen to Saddam, and it's going to happen. The US doesn't put up with that ****!!!!

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lol Grayfox....trust me i know what your talking about my entire family is military all the way back to the civil war.....

.....it was an army brat joke

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Originally posted by JJ:

lol Grayfox....trust me i know what your talking about my entire family is military all the way back to the civil war.....

.....it was an army brat joke

I'm an Army brat also, my Dad told me to join the Navy, LOL, I joined the service in El Paso (loved it there ). My Dad worked at White Sands and McGregor Range!!

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LOL MIKE

my dad was an officer in the navy every year we watched the army navy game....

then my older brother joined the army....you can guess what he thought about that

then i told him i wanted to join

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i guess i could be considered kinda an army brat. although my dad got out before i was born. he was army, i was army, my grandfather was navy, everyone else back to one of my exponentially great uncles in the civil war was army.

no navy here

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I joined the Navy primarily because they had better Electronics schools. I am also an Aviation nut. I worked on A-4's and A-7's( Maneater ). Thats also why I mostly play flight type games.

[ 07-31-2002, 12:20 PM: Message edited by: MIKE113 ]

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what about the queer? heard those were crazy with their gold lined cockpits...

the only reason i didnt go navy was because im a motionsick mofo... we were doing zodiac infil drills and i got sick on the zodiac crossing a river...bleh.

i didnt join the AF because i wanted to go through a mans basic training (yes Race, im directing this joke at you), and the corps didnt offer me jack for schooling. so Army it twas

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Good luck Dredd I'm sure you'll love your job. But I believe you should think about what Gray Fox said earlier.

Anyway....

Yep there is a serious problem over there I just hope the answer we come up with doesn't make more problems.

Polo Step? Where do they come up with a name like that?

[ 08-01-2002, 06:22 PM: Message edited by: Lotharr ]

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Polo Step? Where do they come up with a name like that?[/QB]


Whack 'em in the head with a mallet...

Then kick their teeth in with the horse.

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Originally posted by Dredd:

Doesn't AF officer corp have the hardest training out of any service due to the survival training needed.

hell, the army has E&E training for its chopper pilots, and for some other specialty MOS's. they really beat the crap out of you physically and mentally so you have some idea what its like to be captured...

eating sawdust, having someone wrap a towel around your face and pour cold water over it so it feels like youre drowning... nasty stuff.

then we have sapper school for us engineers... thats about as pre-ranger as you can get. the navy has of course the SEALs which i think is THE toughest out there.

wheres Race when i need him to help explain this to me

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Delta Force.

Saw a brief on it.they have declassified some of the organization because of the high profile missions they have been on.

Just to get to see the commander/CSM for consideration you have to complete a week long land nav course. You have to navigate from one point to the next...anywhere from 4 to 30? kilometers per day with multiple check points....you have to complete the course with 40-60 lbs? of gear and a rifle, plus you have to have all your gear when your done...of course you sleep when you get the chance in the dirt...or snow...or mud...time limits are not disclosed.

If you pass that you have to do a few other things then you get assigned to a team. That is where I think the real evaluation starts.

Anyway that was just the stuff they told us about in the brief.

But the differences in these schools are pretty big..

Ranger they starve you and treat you like crap..and make you hump all over the place

SF they treat you like a professional but have a lot of evals that dont have disclosed standards..they also say guys who pass Ranger school are in no way at an advantagein fact they say they have problems working in the way SF wants them to.

Seals I have no idea.

All these groups make you go for SERE? training..if in is not internal to the program.

But I say Delta because it is a not about team work.it is about your ability to function effectively on the fringe, alone.

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Originally posted by Enigma:

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Originally posted by MIKE113:

I know California, I was in the US Navy there, thats why I live in the real Sunshine State, Florida!

Florida the Sunshine State? riiiiiiight, Florida is God's waiting house (oops i said the G-word)


someone doesn't know there states very well.

isn't California supposed to be the "Golden" State?

Florida is an excellent place for a vacation(I should know.i live here).

and right now you look like you NEED a vacation. and BAD.

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