MrkGrismer

quote:Originally posted by Scrivener: The Xbox comes with a built-in DVD player, harddrive, broadband, and progressive scan (HDTV support). The GC dosn't have any of those. The Gamecube is progressive scan, although in the US it requires the purchase of component cables to use (as well as a display device capable of progressive scan).

quote:Originally posted by warreng: i got a email form ebgames today and is said that i would not get bmc until as early as 11/17/01 and they still might pull the date back further. I suspect it has been held back in order to be used in a major Ramadan offensive...

quote:Originally posted by aramike: But like Silk said, being offended doesn't give anyone the right to do ANYTHING. I fully agree. If he was offended the only reasonable recourse he really had was to tell his co-workers that the poster offended him, and explain why. That, or keep it to himself.

quote:Originally posted by aramike: But I don't consider that an "opinion". You're trying to judge the motivations of another individual. There are NO indications of what you said. Furthermore, what your conclusions are don't actually make any sense. Sorry, I have WAY too many female friends, those type of conclusions make sense to them... (and apparently they may have been a bad influence on me) I'm not trying to judge the motivations of another individual, all I am doing is offering a possible motivation. The article said he took the poster down because he was offended, so there must have been a reason he was offended. I've had women tell me that they were offended by being told they were attractive by a male friend, because they resented their friend thinking of them as a sex object. So, no, people don't always make a lot of sense.

quote:Originally posted by aramike: When making a postive statement about oneself, it only applies to oneself. Like, if I say that *I* don't run, does that mean or imply that YOU DO? Hardly. That simply means that I could run but I do not. Why would you make the statement? There is certainly no rational reason to make the statement "*I* don't run" unless there was a reason for you to think the person(s) you are making that statement to would have reason to believe that you do, infact, run. If there was no chance that you could be perceived as a person who runs, then there is no rational reason to state the obvious. quote:Originally posted by aramike: Still, saying that something doesn't run is NOT, in ANY WAY, saying that something else IS running. That whole premise is ridiculous. So me saying, "I don't judge opinions that differ from my own as ridiculous." has no impact on you then.

quote:Originally posted by aramike: Absolutely absurd. Your adding an implication to an IMPLICATION! Whoa, it's deep in here. Howso? The statement "These colors do not run" can mean a variety of things. But literally it can only really mean that the colors cannot, or will not, run for some reason. Since colors cannot logically run in the sense of fleeing, the statement must be referring to the color-fastness of the flag. However, I don't think anyone here thinks the poster is an advertisment for the bleach-resistance of the American flag the implied meaning of the statement is what is being pushed. Since the implied statement is that the US doesn't run (assumedly, from a just fight, and not just any fight) then the only reason such a statement would have a reason to be made is if there was the possibility of a perception in the other direction (that the US DOES run). Since the creator of the poster saw a need to advertise that the US does NOT run, that creator must believe that there is a perception that the victims of attacks would have a tendancy to run. So it is certainly NOT absurd that a Muslim, regardless of citizenship, who has the perception that the US is at war with Muslim society (incorrect perception or not) might infer that "These Colors Do Not Run" on the poster is calling the Muslim world cowards. Especially if that Muslim secretly holds the opinion that the Taliban and Al Qaeda are running from the fight, and hiding. In other words, he may have been offended because he was ashamed of being associated with them.

quote:Originally posted by $iLk: Not to be nitpicky or anything, but isn't The same as enemies? Partly semantics. The US is currently at war with terrorism (and drugs, but let's not go there, those darn drugs are veteran fighters, ya know). However, bin Laden and other extremists have declared 'holy war' on the US, so they are at war with us. There is also a perception in the Muslim world that the US is at war with Islam. So Muslims and Islam are not 'enemies' of the US (since the US does not see them as such), yet some Muslims perceive the US as being at war with Muslims and Islam in general. Perception is probably one of the biggest problems in this conflict right now, and perception is a very difficult thing to change.

quote:Originally posted by aramike: Another counter-point: The phrase "these colors don't run" implies nothing of the short. It ONLY says that the US does not run. How on EARTH does that mean the other side runs? No, it ONLY says "These colors do not run." A statement which really only makes logical sense when you are talking about whether the flag is color-fast or not. If you infer that it means the US doesn't back down from a fight then it would seem hypocritical of you to deny that another person cannot infer that it accuses others of running. quote:Originally posted by aramike: In any case, the point is moot. At what point does America have to actually respect its blood enemies? Talk about ridiculous... Some might say that America should respect all life, blah, blah, blah. Personally I'm all for large numbers of Sniper's armed with Barret Light 50s. quote:Originally posted by aramike: You've just defaulted your own argument. If "These colors don't run" means our enemies do, indeed run, that would mean terrorists run. Terrorists are our enemies, not muslims. Therefore, by your argument, the only way this person should be offended is if he was a terrorist, or a sympathizer. Note that I didn't state 'enemies'. Note that I said, "whatever entity the US is currently at war with". Personally I know that means the terrorists and their supporters, but it is increasingly apparent that the Muslim world is not so sure. I'm not trying to defend this guy or anything, I think what he did was wrong -- just as wrong as anyone else desecrating a piece of property. The only reason I posted my counter-point was because it hadn't been mentioned. Despite some people inquiring as to HOW somebody could be offended by the poster.

quote:Originally posted by $iLk: The person in question is an American. An American of Muslim descent. quote:Originally posted by $iLk: These colors don't run implies that we won't back down from a threat. If THESE was emphasized, perhaps I could see your point, but that statement applies to every instance it was used as meaning what I described. The thing about implications and inferences is that they vary by individuals. The only way, "These colors don't run." could unequivically mean "We won't back down from a threat" is if it actually said, "We won't back down from a threat." One of the reasons the "These colors don't run." poster/t-shirt has been so popular is because of the double meaning, especially in light of how the al-Queda and Taliban are in hiding.

Counterpoint: The phrase, "These colors do not run." implies that whatever entity the US is currently at war with has a penchance for running. In otherwords, it can be considered calling 'them' cowards. Most likely why the person was offended. Just a thought.

quote:Originally posted by Supreme Cmdr: Thread hijaak in process! So, those of you buying and selling on a server, all I want to know is who has the cheapest OTS missiles for sale (have you seen the price of those things!!?!?) That depends... can we tie the purchase of OTS missiles to the purchase of other things? (50% discount on OTS when purchasing as bundle with [blank])

quote:Originally posted by Luc: one question....why is Pakistand still recognizing the Taliban? why are they even giving the Taliban "ambassador" the ability to say anything? extradite the bleeder and beat him to within an inch of his life. Well, Pakistan reportedly trained and set up the Taliban, so they have a vested interest. Many of the Taliban's training camps (as well as other 'terrorist' organisations) are located in Pakistan -- including the organisation that recently claimed responsibility for the legislature bombing in India. Don't forget to check non-US sources for news. Some decent links are: http://www.afghandaily.com/ http://www.myafghan.com/ I leave bias detection as an exercise for the reader.

Hello everyone. First post here. Thought I would ring in on the subject. Having never played BC before, I am not sure which fleet, if any, I would like to join. I am personally going to wait until after I've spent some time with BC:M before I even make a consideration. I am sure, however, that I'm not the only one in this position. By the sounds of things, it will take a fair amount of time for me to get my head around the game, and until then I certainly wouldn't feel comfortable joining a fleet. It is sounding like an incredible game, however, and I really look forward to playing it. I'm sure the multi-player aspect will be awesome, as I never really got into online 'deathmatch' (got boring fast). Hopefully this will give me a good use for my cable modem. [ 10-05-2001: Message edited by: MrkGrismer ]