Supreme Cmdr

That error will only occur if (a) you are not using the provided BC3K3DFX.BAT file which limits the Glide card to 2MB or ( you don't have the 2MB limit set in your card's properties. Read the FAQ, thats why it was written.

Good idea! OK ladies, make it so!

Now u guys see why I'm staying out of it? You know more about yourselves that I do. I just want a new Orion fleet leader to put a new Orion site etc. Whatever happens in RP, is a different story. So, once you guys have voted on it, let me know gets voted into office

What goes on in RP bears no relevance to the real world. If you guys feel so bad about it, write him out of that situation.

Pick one. You've got a week to sort this out or I will. Use this thread for that discussion. btw, in order to be a fleet leader, you must have a web page to host it on. This means that at least one of your members should have a web page that you could dedicate to this, even if you [new leader] don't.

Earlier today, Antti made a post that does nothing but disrupt the site and make fun of newbies. I had outlawed that action a long time ago. For that, I restricted his ability to post (I did not ban him entirely) and when I came back, he had deleted the thread (because he created it). Apart from that, it has come to my attention that him and his subordinates are promoting Nazi activities on the Orion website. This leaves no room for discussion and I am not going to entertain any. Effective today, the Orion Fleet, as you know it, is no more. Antti is advised to take the site down and remove any and all references to BC3K and the company 3000AD. I have logged the names and email addresses of everyone registered on that site and will be banning each and everyone whose details appear on that site after 12:00 midnight on Monday. I would like someone else to assume the role of Orion Fleet leader. So, when you guys have sorted it out, let me know. I am going to say this one more time, there is no discussion here. My decision on this matter is final and any posts of opposition will be met with the utmost disciplinary action. That is all ------------------ Derek Smart Supreme Commander GCV Warmonger - Prime Fleet [This message has been edited by Supreme Cmdr (edited 10-02-1999).]

Bollocks.

Check out the manual. You'd be surprised!

LOL!, you're a marked man!!

hehe, Bill hit that one on the head. The fleet debate was like this. Funny nobody seemed to remember that one. OK, so, if I change the forum name, what do I change it to? I am waiting for DeSylva to send me a file which outlines all the finalized rules. Once I get that, I will put it as a link in the announcements section as Ben suggested.

hehe, Lynx, that was subtle. Anyway, if the RP crew want me to (a) rename the forum ( make it closed so that only admin and mods can create new ones, no problem. All they have to do is tell me what they want to do and why. I can also create additional forums if necessary. As for retreat, its not needed. All beta testers will have access to server admin options anyway. So if you don't want to 'play', just observe, you can do so by making your ship invincible and just park somewhere and observe, chat etc. Enabling any server side cheats will have checks to disable certain features and will also tag your ship TTD as such so that you don't go playing against people in God mod and think you can get away with it. Anyway, any tester I find doing this, will be summarily dismissed in disgrace anyway. So, I'm not worried about that at all.

Lynx, please don't confuse the issue and stay on topic. Badger, which part of my post was unclear? Did I not demonstrate who it is possible for a dead character to be revised if that person chose that option?

Just wanted to add that I have contacted Justin, my webdude who came up with this brilliant website design, that I need to overhaul the Roster page with a dynamic CGI script as per DeSylva's suggestion. Once I hear from him, we'll go from there. If there any other volunteers here, let me know 'cause I'd rather have it done for free 'cause Justin ain't cheap. Also, one thing I forgot to mention. As I read these RP stories (though I rarely post) I can only wonder what the feeling must be like when someone like, say, Parias or spacePhish, is happily playing on a server, keeping within the rules (now there's a stretch ) and some notable and notorious folks like Akira or Rattler, show up. I mean, just think for a moment how cool that would (depending on whose side you're on). Or better, yet, when you see, in your Tacscan, the GCV-Warmonger, indicating that I had logged on. I can only imagine it being the coolest thing. Remember Top Gun, when Viper went up and Maverick and co didn't even know? I think the response was ...oh shit, its Viper!!. Just think about that for a minute and those who think that creating chaos is OK, will immeditely see who cool it would be to have an established and notorious character. hehe, I can just hear it in the chat lobby (every server will have a chat lobby where gamers can hang out before actually playing. This is also like a waiting area if the server is full and people are waiting for others to drop etc) "....hehe, I was minding my own business terrorizing Parias and some other newbie when before you knew it, Akira showed up and it was curtains for me". or "...yeah, but I got Rattler, he didn't see it coming 'cause he was more concerned about that brand new shield" On the non-RP server, characters can die and respawn and continue playing with the same name, no problem. But on an RP server, that person has to follow the rules and go through the motions of either dealing with the demise of a character and work into a story a way to clone him or move on with another character etc. See the distinction already forming between MP and RP? I mean, I'm sure Parias would love to blow me up 10 times in one night without any reservations. [This message has been edited by Supreme Cmdr (edited 08-17-99).]

I have read this entire thread again and I have to say that between the lot of you (especially Ron's excellent summary argument), it seems that there is a light at the end of this seemingly long tunnel. One thing to remember, none of us were prepared for the popularity of the product and if folks thing we're swamped now, wait until BC:3020AD comes out and the first person addicts get to play it. We'll attract a whole new generation. So, I fear that our numbers will only increase. I have checked the stats of this site again and we have so much traffic, its not even funny. Since you only need to register in order to post, those numbers are not as high as one would expect. Check this http://www.akorn.net/~stats/bc3000ad/ So, one thing that I have to say is that in all of this, my original ruling still stands and I am all for keeping MP and RP as separate and distinct entities with the rules already established and which govern said statutes. Though we run the danger of alienating a minority, we have to take the pill and establish guidelines for both entities or we will only have chaos. Remember, though GALCOM is a military organization, it was my choice to expand said premise in order to allow the universe to expand, evolve and remain dynamic. That was the whole reason why I heavily promoted the Insurgents. Heck, that was so successful, most my own people defected! And I allowed it. I even did the extra work and actually implemented fleets, in the game in order to express my commitment to the very premise that governs this game and the actions of its fans. We are an elite group of players. Be it a GALCOM military, Insurgent or Raider, we are that. You don't get to be an elite without rules and regs or even some sort of direction. So, if we are going to eliminate and/or alienate a minority who just don't get it, so be it. I could care less because at the end of the day, order will prevail in the pursuit of separating the wheat from the chaff. There can be no other way. So, without further ado, let the discussions continue and once we are in agreement regarding the very principles, DeSylva, will need to write up the basic rules and regs for both MP and RP, then send those to me. I will make the necessary commentary, put the whole thing in an HTML file, post it on a prominent page on the site and, it will become law. Those who don't abide by it, will bear the consequences of being 'outsiders'. The extent of my banishment would be server side lockouts of my site and my official MP servers. I plan on running at least 3 high performance official servers around the clock on an ISDN or Cable backbone) with stats tracking. Playing on an MP server will be like posting in the RP forum. Stick to the rules and you'll be fine. In fact, the more I think about it, the more I think that I will have a server dedicated to the RP nature of the game so that creative partipants can enact their storylines or actually create their storylines as they go along. With the excellent debugging and tracking tools, all actions can be logged to a file (server side option) and that log can be used to convert the online RP action to a story that can then be posted and augmented as it progresses. This is not fiction. It is a reality because that is the very structure and premise of the game that you are now playing. I will not have free for all on my servers (thats why they are official servers) and anyone playing on them must abide by the rules and regs and be a recognized figure or they won't gain access. Period. If for instance, the ever resilient Cmdr Akira bites the bullet on one fine dark night, there is nothing stopping Ron from creating a new character and manufacturing the clone of his original if he so pleases. As long as it is in character and within the rules of the game, it is allowed. Multiple characters will not be allowed (trust me, I'll know) on those servers and the fact that my goal is to keep the server persistent, this will be beneficiary to the very premise of this game. I don't care what happens on other unofficial servers. If they have X-Wing squads, thats their problem. If they go against the flow of the game and its premise, they aren't hurting me in the least. I've got their dollars and they can do what the heck they like. However, to gain entrance to my controlled world you need to abide by the rules. If any websites spring up and carry any copyrighted material and they are straying from the norm and rules that govern my copyright property, I will shut them down. Easy enough. If you want to be a fan, then you must be willing and ready to uphold the rules and regs of the game and its premise. If you don't then you go your own way, create your website/server etc, but it will unofficial and I won't bother with it as long as it does not defame and/or alter my properties in any shape or form. ....besides, I could just wake up one morning and not allow people to create their own servers. Instead, like battle.net and others like it, just host a few servers and have one of them as a free-for-all. This way, I don't have anything to worry about. In fact, thats what I'd probably end up doing. The basic MP in the game will support about 8 folks in a non-persistent package playing against each other (the norm). But if you want to play with up to 16 (maybe even 32, if all goes well) per world on any server (I expect that each server should be able to run about 10 instances of the game for a total of 160-320 players per server) then you have to log onto my official servers. Misbehave and you are history. I hope this is all clear. We would have to continue this dialogue until the MP/RP rules governing rules, regs and sigs, are ironed.

LOL, I'm just as confused as you are Rattler. RPG is DeSylva's baby, so I'll wait for him to post before I pitch in....and make it even more confusing. Yes, Lynx, that is correct.

All sigs (MP or not) should be in the form quote: Commander (your commander's name) Race/caste (of those allowed) UCV (ship name) (squad) (quote or motto) If you are part of a fleet, then the race/caste is not relevant because you are assumed to be a Military caste. You most definitely cannot be a different race other than Terran, Empirian, Vesperon if you are part of an official GALCOM fleet because those are the only 3 races that are part of GALCOM.

Goodbye DarienShields. If you can't post, you can't question my command authority. [This message has been edited by Supreme Cmdr (edited 08-15-99).]

Hunter, the UCV designation was not given by GALCOM. It is a method by which universal computer systems identify ships with no designations, like IFF. Duh! [This message has been edited by Supreme Cmdr (edited 08-15-99).]

quote: and your squad rank, made up by yourself and/or approved by your squad leader. Thomas, this is incorrect. People cannot make up ranks and that is not what I said. It is up to the squad leader to come up with a rank structure before it is used by any of its members. If I see a rank and challenge it and find that it is an arbitrary rank with no structure, I'll take the appropriate action.

Chris Blair, the next time I have to delete any of your off-topic posts or threads, I'm locking you out of the site. And you, I will never let back in. This is the only warning that you will get. [This message has been edited by Supreme Cmdr (edited 08-14-99).]

Multiplayer features are not open to discussion at this time. Thats not what this thread is about anyway.

Badgerious, if you solicit comments, then the page will be littered with discontinuity. Its good. I didn't comment for the reasons stated but I see Chris and co have already done the honors.

Chris, the answer is no. Is all of this too complex for you to understand?

SpacePhish, you posted while I was composing so I deleted your post. I wanted to have those two posts in sequence. So, post again if you have something worth reading. I do not want to see any frivolous posts such as the hooray... nonsense I just read and deleted. This is a serious thread and I plan on keeping it that way. You have been warned.

So, in short, the fleet structures remain as is and I will be solely responsible for approving the creation of new fleets, based on history, performance and length of service. All current groups with alliances, remain as is. If you are not part of an authorized fleet (you must seek entry approval from the fleet leader) then you can form your own squadron. The rule being that a squadron, to be even taking seriously, should consist of more than 2 players. Also, those not allied to GALCOM (GCV), Earthcom (ECV) or Insurgent (ICV) fleets, cannot use these designations. Ever. You can create any sort of squadron you want and of any race or caste in the game itself. If you want to be a Gammulan Raider, thats fine, just remember that you won't then be able to join any or create an official fleet because traditionally, only military structures, ie, Gammulan Military, have a disciplined fleet structure. I will more than likely authorize a Gammulan Military fleet and give them their own station and designation in the game and mp world, than a bunch of Gammulan raiders; for obvious reasons. You can also create a special squadron unit. For instance, if you check the links page at www.bc3000ad.com/links you will see ISS Fleet Tactical Support, 15th Space Marine Battalion and 7th Orbital Marine Battalion. These are very creative and thats why I authorized them. These are like small command units, part of a larger fleet, (ISS and PRIME) and they specialize in certain ops. Kinda like Recon, Airborne, SEAL and other structures that we find in modern day military structure. We have a huge universe, with space and planetary worlds, so we can be as creative as we want to be, within the guidelines of the world premise. Finally, the UCV (Undesignated Command Vessel) must be used for all units created outside the approved heirarchy unless you are part of a Military caste structure (regardless of race), then DCV (Designated Command Vessel) must be used. It makes my life easier without having to remember the dozens of permutations that may creep up if I made it a free for all. As for ranks, I am hesitant to to make this open ended for obvious reasons, but, if you are going to use ranks within your squadron, you cannot (a) use any of the official GALCOM form ( you must have a structure. So, don't go putting something like Brigadier General in your sig because then I'd ask the squad leader (the responsible party who can have the highest rank available if he/she so desires) how the structure works. Its about discipline. Here is an example of a squad sig. You can also create logos for your squads if you like. Note that the race/caste is important because you are operating outside the normal structure. Once this all gets organized, I will extend the roster page and will enter all the squadron names there as time goes on. Cmdr Jack Case Gammulan/Military DCV-Garibaldi 8th Tactical Airborne Unit If its moving, shoot it www.tacunit.com or Cmdr Jack Case Gammulan/Raider UCV-Garibaldi Hide it or lose it. www.raidersrule.com I hope this satisfys all sides. We will take a week to iron out the fine details based on this ongoing debate and I will make this official and the law, within 7 days. I do not want to see any new squadrons until this debate is finalized and closed.