Kalshion

In order to explain my point, IÔÇÖm going to have to go off-topic, Sorry! quote: No $iLk, you're just not interested. No matter what facts that I might bring you, you will fight them, because you will not want to believe them It's the sad fact of things. What scare's me more is that most people won't even consider the primary reason we went in, even though Iraq did have training camp's and all the material's required to train terrorists, they also constantly violated UN sanctions. That right here was a red flag Not only that, the Oil for Food scandal (which should've gotten the UN disbanded and all it's employee's responsible thrown in jail) again, no one bothered to stop that, no countries bothered to get involved Lemme just make this clear, if Bush Senior HADN'T of stopped the war back in the 1990's, then there's a real possibility 9/11 wouldn't have occurred. So really half the blame does fall on Bush Senior, but it also fall's on Clinton as well for ignoring the intelligence, for downgrading the intelligence bearu, and also for not making a link between the CIA and FBI, but then again, you won't hear any of this in Main Stream Media because it's the cold hard truth Reasons: Clinton downgraded our intelligence, and thus made it more difficult to gather accurate intelligence on the problem's affecting the United State's and world's abroad Bush Senior, during Desert Storm, stopped earlier because the UN ordered him to. If he hadn't of stopped, and had kept going, there's the possibility (hint, POSSIBILITY) that 9/11 wouldn't have occurred Reasons: According to the intelligence obtained during Desert Storm (which I'm going by memory here now, since this stuff is no longer in the congressional database anymore, it was listed under 106th 1999) several squad's did find evidence of training camps, but where mistaken for military training base's Further Reasons: A lot of people who I've talked to back at the recruiting station, and at Fort Knox, who served during Desert Storm and witnessed those site's, still believe that they where in fact the camp's used to train the terrorist's, weather this is true or not is unknown since those camp's aren't present anymore (they can easily be moved if the need arises, thatÔÇÖs why we've found so little. Our enemy is not stupid, even though many people think they are) Reasons: Bush Junior (our current president) entered Iraq both because of the attacks on our nation, and because of the intelligence he had AT THE TIME, which had suggested Saddam had WMD's and was harboring terrorists, again, AT THE TIME. The fact of the matter is, the intelligence was FLAWED but HE didn't know that and thus was misled by his own people. The thing is, to many people in America won't listen to that simple fact because they want to believe Bush is a traitor, where in reality, it's the intelligence bearu who betrayed Bush and thus let him astray Further Reasons: When Clinton downgrades the Intelligence Bearu, he also made it almost impossible for America to get accurate intelligence on patentional threats. The selling of nuclear material to China is also a violation of several agreements made with the UN, including the downgrading of nuclear weapons. Accurately, it can be said that he sold those so that China can have a better, and perhaps, clean power supply. But there are still those who wonder if China will turn against the US and use that technology against us Reasons: Iraq was a country already torn in half, it's dictator was a tyrannical ruler who killed because even when they voiced there opinions, if someone didn't like him, they'd be found dead in no time Other than the UN Sanctions that he violated oh so many time's, and the Oil for Food scandal, it could also be said that we went in because the President felt the US was threatened (he FELT keep that word in mind) having felt threatened, he decided to take action against what many consider a meager threat, but the fact of the matter is, those rumored WMD's might've existed, thing is, many photo's where passed through the net and even picked up by the Media that those 'wmds' had been transferred out of Iraq and possibly into Syria, and maybe Iran, it's a good bet there in one of those two country's epically since the evil of the two has been causing us problem's Further Problems: Osama Baladin, claimed responsibility for the attacks of 9/11 and the deaths of countless civilians, 3000 to be exact, amongst them are two friend's who where at the wrong place at the wrong time, but besides that. He claimed responsibility and showed, through his video's, that he was in Afghanistan Unfortunately, Afghanistan refuse's to turn him over, and yet OB was the main person involved in those attacks and is our number one target, further more, we haven't heard a word from him for over a year now My personal belief is that he's dead, and died on Torabora (I believe that's how it's spelled) Mountain when we carpet bombed it However, there is still the slight chance he IS alive. Maybe he is and is planning his next move The fact of reality is this, America has been around for over 200 year's, not even ROME lasted that long. America is long over do for an era change, and the terrorist's believe there the answer to that. Who knows? Maybe they'll succeed: My belief in this is because of America itself, our nation is DIVIDED, we are NOT UNITED. My basis on this fact is because of all 'facts' that people have thrown around about the president and about the war, no one has any idea what is fact and what is a lie, that's the main problem *I* see here on both this board, and off Truth and Fact's are rarity, and the thing is, are hard to come by, even the CD (Congressional Database, which is very hard to navigate, but then again it's a government run site, go fig!) has some fact's related to Iraq and the attack's there-in. However, there is no further basis for those facts, current Main Stream Media website's don't report facts anymore, they create the news to fit there schedule Reasons: The main stream media has always operated as our first line of information about current events related around the world. The problem with the MSM is that after Clinton was elected, and thus opened up the white house and the Lincoln bedroom (which is sacrilege) unfortunately, as time went by, the news shifted from reporting the facts, to reporting what the government wanted the people to know (yes, you heard it from me) none of the news outlet's can be trusted anymore, not even the newspapers now. Honestly only the Wall street Journal and one other can really be trusted But honestly, the only way to find accurate and truthful information is to go to 'other' sources and no I won't name my source's, since you need to register on there site Other than that, no news can really be trusted anymore. Proof of this was present during the elections, where Bush's war record was released to the public because the media demanded, but yet they never demanded Kerry to release his, it's called Favorism and thus has caused many of the news company's to loss popularity In fact, it can be said that most people don't even listen to the news anymore, the only one's who do are those diehard fan's and those who do nothing but sit in front of the TV drinking beer and not caring one bit about the world around them Reasons: The main reason behind this mentality range's from many area's. One can be said it's from our schools, which I believe it is, don't forget I just graduated and saw a lot of stuff that I'm actually sure none of you adults saw. Thing is, this is hard to prove and even I don't have the cold hard evidence to show you people, only my word as a teenager who was in a government school for 10 year's (spent 3 year's in a private school) Government run schools don't have any restrictions on what they can teach. This is problematic because the teachers don't teach what they are suppose to teach Teachers are required to teach a student, in Elementary school; the basics required to pass into the 6th grade (or for me, 7th) Middle school is still listed as "Elementary Level" but student's there are taught Intimidate skills for passing into High School High School is where students learn advanced skills and advanced studies However: This is not always the case, as witnessed on another board I am on (and this person was banned after he said this) who stated that at his school they advocated protest's against the government and against the current crisis DonÔÇÖt' discount this; there are school's out there that do in fact advocate these things. Although you won't hear about it in the news basically because it's 'not important' at least not in the eye's of the MSM The Wall street journal had that story roughly 2 year's and had a line that said the student's had been informed by there teacher's that there was going to be an event, that event turned into a riot in that state (which I think it was Massichusis *sp*) Further Problems: The Main Stream Media won't report these cases because there considered "unimportant" and because the schools in question are run by the government Another problem: If this act had been done by a privately run school, it'd have been splashed across the news papers So, in the way of a conspiracy, it's possible, because so much stuff is NOT being reported to the people. I can almost assure you that it's BOTH SIDE'S playing the fence here Both the Republican Party and the Democratic Party are in on such a farce and, thus far, it's worked. Because no one's the wiser to the two "parties" This is why my belief that we need a new person in office stems from. We need someone who will actually defend our country, close our borders, and win this war. Someone who isn't afraid of pushing a few diplomatic buttons This is the basic of my post: NO ONE can be trusted to give accurate and sustained information that they might claim is truthful, even so, it's up to the person who reads it in order to decipher it and also to research it. If you're a true debater, then you'll try hard to find the facts, even if it take's days to find it. I know of a few people who do just that, and they spend a lot of time on the net trying to find those facts Secondary Basis of post: Who knows what the future has in store for us, for all we know we could be on the path to destruction (which I do believe we are) Who do I blame? I blame everyone for this, the US in general, because people aren't making the right choice's on who they want My point: We donÔÇÖt know what will occur in the next ten or fifteen yearÔÇÖs, hell, we donÔÇÖt even know if this war on terror can truly be won. Only that the United StateÔÇÖs is on a downward spiral (everyone is on it, not just the RepublicansÔÇÖ, but also the Democratic Parties) Furthermore: WhatÔÇÖs been done is done; we canÔÇÖt change the past, only look forward to the future. This is why a lot of us here no longer wish to debate these type of things, because weÔÇÖve done to the realization that itÔÇÖs in the past and that thereÔÇÖs nothing we do to change it Anywho, again, sorry for going off-topic, but I felt I had to explain thingÔÇÖs a bit clearer in order to get my point across What Al-Quaida wants: Is to keep this Nation divided and against the government and the war, as long as we let that continue, they WILL win

This is one such link: http://www.gpoaccess.gov/multidb.html Afraid I gotta go to work right now, I'll post more later... And I did make a mistake in one of my sentence's, apperently I misunderstood somethign you said Silk.. sorry about that...

quote: How can one attempt to defend our country? Let's see.. go to training, suffer two broken leg's due to training along with a pulled back and forced to be medically discharged? Come on it's THAT hard to figure out quote:So does Michael Moore. What's your point?Michael Moore tried to divide this country, that by nature, is wrong. I don't consider him a True American, I consider him (NOT YOU) a traitor to this country quote: Yes I must "hate our troops" if I don't lock stock & barrel swallow Bush's load of B.S.I love it when people twist what I'm saying to make it seem like I said something else... Atta boy Silk quote: Our troops are following orders, many of whom don't agree with the war but serve because of duty to their compatriots - not to Bush's agenda. Funny.. many troops will disagree with that statement expically those who I've meet here in my home state, but also at Fort Knox quote:Iraq was no threat Intelligence at the time said otherwise Silk... please read the congresstional database at entry's "Desert Storm" and "1999-2002" quote: We were't forced into anything.So you're saying we should've let the soul's of 3000 innocent civvy's die in vain and let some tad pot turbon head go free? Perhaps you forgot, Osama Ba'ladin already took responsibility for those attacks, and intelligence showed he was Afganistan then Iraq, but now he's seem's to be elsewhere You seem to forget that our primary enemy is Oasam and getting his head.. until then.. closer for those 3000 who died will not come to closer

quote:Originally posted by $iLk: I think any true American would have hoped to never see the day that the United States was an aggressor nation... Oh.. so I'm not a true american.. yet i was born in America, have an american name, speak the American language, have an American job, know American people, attempted to join the military to defend people like YOU, have a family in the military that depend's people like YOU Like Street, you insult those of us who have attempted to defend our country by labeling us "Not True Americans" I guess that mean's our troops are "Not True Americans" because there fighting for there country quote: Not a nation of conquest. Where the hell did you get THAT from? I really would like to know.. since Iraq's people are free now thanks to the US and it's ally's, they have energy, food, school's for there children, they can speak out without being killed now, they have the freedom to vote, to go to school, to shop.. you mean to tell me none of this is "freedom"?

quote: Which we are going to have to do considering we are bogged down in Iraq instead of securing our own country. To bad the Senate nor Congress agree's with you here... our biggest security risk IS the border, but the thing is they want those Hispanic vote's and that's why they aren't touching the border At this stage of the game I actually wish we would pull our troops out and put them on the border to further protect our country The thing about the civilian's need's to stop though. They welcome the freedom we brought them (yes, you heard me Silk, the freedom the US brought them... you constantly forget that they now have clean water, energy, good food, education for the children, police, and no worry of a Tyrannical Ruler killing them when they voice there opinions) However, the terrorist's don't like that, they'd rather have that country under the palm of there hand's and in there control. They don't want those people to have freedom's, that's why they are killing there own race, because they believe that in killing there own race they'll give up there freedoms. And actually, that will occur if we pull out, meaning all our hard work would be in VAIN and all those soldiers who died would also be in VAIN

Well park you're Lexington in there drive way and show them you're nice big PTA turret, that outta there attention

Hey Remo If you need a new host let me know, I know of someone who might be able to host you (although I usally gotta talk to him FIRST, because if he's asked out of the blue then I'm normally the one who get's smited) But, I hope those people on the other side get there act together

It's not the game anymore It's the fact taht developer's don't put enough into a game, there aren't much rewards for people anymore when they gain levels A prime example is SWG It used to be skill based, but now it's like any other game, leveled based (You've got a combat level now) what stinks is that it get's to a point where you are FORCED to group just to kill certain mob's, the same mob's that you could solo BEFORE the CL upgrade Dev's these day's think people have time on there hand's, but what they fail to see is that the MMO genra is overloaded, there aren't enough creative idea's anymore, to many duplicate's, not enough originals But yes, no one like's to grind anymore.. there just isn't enough reward's to justify you lossing a couple hours in you're life Beside's, why should I pay 19 a month just to grind a character when I could be doing something more constructive. Granted, I'm against the selling of item's/characters/money from game's, expically since it VIOLATE'S the Terms of Service that YOU signed when you installed/started playing.. many people don't follow the TOS anymore quote: kids are even getting lazy plaing video games nowadays Wait until VR type game's come out.. kid will just need to sit there in the chair and use his mind... which is already pretty dangerous now-a-days

quote:Originally posted by Marvin: quote:Originally posted by Kalshion: Someone get Marvin into this thread.... I'm still trying to figure why this robot is better than anything from Disney's Hall of Presidents ... which is about a hundred years old by now. hehehe! You didn't get the joke I was trying to make Marvin

Someone get Marvin into this thread, I think this'll interest him

quote:Instead of body armor and ammunition - this administration and Congress' priorities were on a pork-laden Highway bill and different alternatives on pandering to hispanics by leaving a suicidal open-border policy in place. Now THIS I am in agreement with Our BIGGEST security risk IS the border, our open border is just INVITING more problems How the heck do you think the terrorists got into this country in the FIRST place? Because of the open border quote: If you are pro-America you would jump all over this shit just as quickly. We are pro-american, but with the way the media has treated President Bush and this War, it is VERY hard to tell the truth from the lie's... THATS why I'm not taking this to seriously, because the media REFUSE'S to focus on the REAL issues (The BORDER, The GOOD we've done in iraq, those types of things)

This person wants to buy a character, instead of actually LEVELING one up The thing is, not only is this auction in violation of the ToS for most game's, it's also against Ebay's policy (they've been cracking down on these things as of late) So there's no doubt in my mind that someone will close this auction, and bar this guy from Ebay These type's of auctions have been wide spread, but a lot of company's are now cracking down on them, with threat's of law suits and what else against the people in question

quote: 14 Marines Killed in Iraq as President Bush Vacations Like no other president ever took a vacation in there life The media must be getting desprite.... now there making it as if Bush has NO RIGHT to have a vacation..

Inquiring about the domain 'primefleet.com', with status: Expired That what I got when I clicked on that little 'Why am I seeing this website?'

I to agree with Jamotto.... and I repeat... That was wrong in so many ways Hmmm.. wonder if George has seen this yet?

Join the club Trying to find game's that are interesting are pretty much a thing of the past, game's these days have lost there flare and excitement UC and a few PS2 game's are all that keep me going when it come's to entertainment/games

You make absolutely NO SENSE Speak in terms that people can understand why don't you? Not all of us have a Ph. D in backwards persussion quote: Why must you take it so personal? Because I'm Christian and I don't like it when some idiot judge's me and my religion when they don't know either? quote: NO ONE called YOU primitive You insulted my Religion, therefor, you insulted me... quote: To mimmick the SADDUCEE and PHARASEE, in their political affluence and participation, with implimentation of DEATH sentences war murder bribery and deceit...... is not only PRIMITIVE, and CONTRARY to that which Jesus taught...It serves to be SELF DECIEVING..and just plain ignorant.There you go again, calling me and my religion primitive Only you just took a new step I'm a Christian, I believe in the death penalty, and I believe in defending my country from people who would otherwise give a shit and kill my fellow man on the spot, so that make's me primitive because it's MY belief? It's my belief that I wanted to defend my country? God... talk about sad... You better start making sense Street, cause I could barely make out what you just said (Maybe it's cause I'm still expecting an APOLOGY from you?)

I seriously hope someone locks this thread soon, cause that damn comment about Christians was the very VERY LAST STRAW! quote: I would not degrade my self to the extent, that it would take, to align myself with such primitive understanding of the whole of the matter. So... I'm a primitive aren't I? WHO THE HECK ARE YOU TO JUDGE CHRISTIANS'S AND CALL US PRIMITIVES?! You just offended me to the highest point Street.... (Edit: You should consider yourself lucky I was able to control my anger, and not spew curse words in this freaking reply, you can thank Remo for that, for HE taught me that it isn't worth the effert to curse on this board)

quote: The pro-terrorist Al-Jazeera International will debut early next year as a 24-hour English-language news network headquartered in the Middle East. And efforts to bring the network to the U.S. have been "very interesting and extremely encouraging," according to Commercial Director Lindsey Oliver. Al-Jazeera coming to America Comment: Why? Why would the US allow an anti-american new's source into the US?

quote: LOL! No, but I have personally witnessed kids themselves purchase 'M'-rated games without a parent/guardian around. This would be a good place to start. Saw the same thing to While working for EB awhile back, I saw this kid, maybe no more than 9 or 10 year's old, buy a M rated game The employee next to me didn't even BOTHER to tell the kid that the game's M rated and that he can't buy it We even had a sign right there, RIGHT ON THE DESK, that tells US employee NOT to sell M rated game's to people below the age of 18, or T rated game's to children below the age of 13.. and yet this idiot still sold it to that 9-10 year old I don't know what happened to him, cause after that I got pissed and left, (got a job at BestBuy till the season ended ) I came back to check on thing's and he was gone.. either he got fired or something else.. don't really care This inlie's a problem, it's the parent's responsbility but also the employee who's selling the game's responsbility to make sure they becareful what they are doing Thats why our boss always told us not to sell those game's, cause he doesn't want to risk being sued because a stupid child doesn't have the capicity to understand that it's just a GAME.. and that game's nothing more than simulated enviroments As for GTA... my pure belief is that the game need's to be taken off the market.. that's one of the only ways to solve all these problems, most parents now-a-days don't have enough smarts or responsibility to watch what there children buy (I said MOST, not all)

quote: 1. Those that rape, murder, or molest their fellow beings must be stopped and punished 2. Society must protect itself from such immoral minded people and their sick loathsome acts. Tell THAT to the liberal court system (Michel Jackson anyone?) Honestly though, when you are called to a jury you are told (or at least I was) that my religous belief's are tossed out the door here, this is so that you don't let you're belief's determine you're call Personally, if you murder someone, rape someone, or any other unjust and immortal act's, then you deserve nothing more than to have you're feet cased in cement and tossed off a bridge

More like the worlds most experienced CON artist... errrrr

Great, another idiot you likes to profit off disasters... thanks Lost for posting this, just another idiot to add the list of idiots I swear, what drive's these people to do these things?

Lets just hope the knock out punch comes BEFORE 2007... or else we'll lose this war instantly As for the bombing They admited to it, so that tells right off the bat that there lossing and lossing big time, someone need's to drop a bomb on there last hideout (A NUCLEAR bomb that is)

Whats sad, is that jaguar is diffenantly RIGHT Look at me, I joined the army out of my own free will, my father wasn't exactly liking the idea but he still supported me Why are army numbers low? Well let see 1. Parents are to afraid of lossing there son/daughter 2. Certain events in Fort Knox 3. Lieing recruiters or recruiters who are falsifing records (and have thus been caught, which sent a bad rep to the people) So in all, you have a higher chance of death while in the civvy life than you do in the military life Like.. oh lets see? There are over 100,000+ civilan deaths a month, while there are fewer than 100-200 deaths military related a month