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quote:Therefore they are criminals and will be treated as such. WHO JAG? The TERRORIST Left?..hahaha ANYONE against Bush, is NOW a "Criminal?" And THEY intend to DISRUPT? WOW, maybe we should just go ahead, and start a civil war. TO be dubbed a CRIMINAL, by your own president,(and his followers) is almost as bad as saying your NOT welcome, in this country. WOULDNT you say?. After all, we put CRIMINALS in prisons..for a slave WORK FORCE...or don't we? SHOCK TREATMENTS!!.....yep!, thats probably what it would take, to get you back to reality...pooor Jag!! The only CRIMINALS, will be the ones HIDING behind the police.... disallowing FREEDOM to DEMONSTRATE. Anyone actually REMEMBER "KENT STATE"? I DO!!

quote:"I am angry that so many of the sons of the powerful and well-placed... managed to wangle slots in Reserve and National Guard units...Of the many tragedies of Vietnam, this raw class discrimination strikes me as the most damaging to the ideal that all Americans are created equal and owe equal allegiance to their country." This is MUCH, the price, of a volunteer army. Only the lower class JOIN, for the education.(I did, when I JOINED). With a DRAFT, and without the deferrals...It would balance things out, but it would take at least 20 years(2 generations) for the wealthier ruling class, to form a proper perspective, as to the HORROR of war. poor Bush....His arrogance, will eventually do him in! *I just hope, he has'nt ALREADY done us all in *

quote: When you think about it, it's pretty sad that a marriage can be rather rocky over something as simple as a toilet seat. I have seen marriage get pretty rocky, over less. and have also seen it survive things, which SHOULD have utterly destroyed it. Where Women are concerned...."It is always UNCHARTERED territory". *keeps things EXCITING, I suppose.*

The most frightening part of this WHOLE thing, is that people(who think like Jaguar) actually exist on this planet.... and are inevitably going to cause their own(and other people,s) destruction. If there is ANY Nuclear strike....within the middle east....BY ANYONE... "We ALL loose". Our great U.S. WAR machine, is USELESS under POST-strike conditions. And OUR superiority, is vastly OVERSTATED!! Anyone, in the ADVANCED R&D and Engineering areas, KNOW this. There is GOOD reason: 3 MILLION scientist of this country, are ACTIVELY seeking to speak with BOTH candidates!

quote:The convention is gonna raise Bushes number by at least 10 points, especially with the leftists trying to disrupt it. http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08...y.ny.police.jpg It makes me wonder, why our president is SO AFRAID of his own country's population.....Hummmm. That, in itself, should reveal, how unfit, Bush is. He has clearly demonstrated, his fear has him in over his head, through his OVER REACTION, to the "so called" IRAQ THREAT!! I think you will soon see, HIS over reaction to the so called "LEFTEST THREAT", also....VERY apparant!

sounds to me,( after reading over imploder101's post) like the scale 1-10, would control the coversion RATE of Radine, rather than what is assumed: energy output from solar source?

oops!! I knew that!!...I just screwed up. I was trying to get to it(the post) when it disappeared!! It won't happen again sir!!!

quote:but a community where raving fanboys and morons are gleefully and vociferously clubbed to death. Now there's a sport. Think I'll invest in a lead-filled bat.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/West/08/18/bear...reut/index.html Some Camper, with a sense of humor? or a lonely drinker. Someone had to of introduced the Beer, to him...maybe? I just found this, a bit Funny, and thought I'd share.

The day I sit down, to take a leak, is the day I can no longer stand!!.....poor German's. Tell me women's desire to castrate, is not THAT prevelant, around the world!!

I cant wait, for a DEBATE, between the two. Bush only knows how to attack. WHY? BECAUSE: There is NO defence, in regard to his position. I find it AMUSING, so many REPUBLICANS, are openly speaking out against their administration.

Are you SURE, your not guilty of just,"HATE MONGERING" against KERRY? quote: You are not Kerry is a good thing and that you will not fabricate false answers as Kerry would is another good thing. NO LIE, ever concieved, could compare, to the BUSH LIES (or BUSH Ignorance). I call them lies. If you want to say, he was just IGNORANT!, fine by me. Either way, He needs a BOOT, from GOVERNMENT.....PERIOD!! though, that would not be fair. IGNORANCE is: " lack of knowledge". What Bush, fed to the people, was FALSE presentatiion of KNOWLEDGE. NO...Those, were DEFINATELY LIES!!! Now, WHO does that leave?.....hummmm...Looks like, ANYONE with an I.Q. above Bush's 60, will do.......!! quote: Well, Roosevelt took your rights away too, but gave them after the war was won. Perhaps that is what we need to do in order to get you guys back into the real world. LOL!! Boy, you AND bush would LIKE nothing better. Now, tell me again Jaquar, that you are NOT a totalitarian, and a communist.!! RULE BY FORCE..and heil BUSH!!! [ 08-19-2004, 04:10 PM: Message edited by: street ]

quote: Are you sure? Didn't I just see someone post 'Bring it on.'" in another thread. I must of missed it....Maybe, if you post it? If he IS posting, in this forum, I'm gonna have to call his wife, and tell her. She will put a stop to THAT!!

quote: His only dissagreement with Bush on war was the way he went about it. Kerry wanted everyone on the planet to join the war and would have balked at attacking Saddam if he didn't get the green light even from the pygmy tribe of africa. Why do you people feel that it is necessary to fabricate things? I remember nothing, concerning any PYGMY tribes of Africa. NOT even in the REPUBLICAN's attack machine's propaghanda. quote: Why don't you guys help Kerry out and try to answer the questions I have posted instead of degenerating into the usual Bush hate mongering. Because: 1). YOUR accusations, are FALSE, and without any foundation? 2). I am not kerry, and will not fabricate false answers, to refute false accusations. And as far as NAMING the thread questions for KERRY, just to stop anyone from countering your "BUSH ACCUSATIONS"....get REAL. ANY accusation, coming from the "BUSH PROPAGHANDA MACHINE", is OPEN to attack..."REGARDLESS of the title of the thread!!" And...you keep talking about HATE MONGERING!!! LOL. Kerry has done NOTHING, to require condemnation. where as BUSH, has done NOTHING but insult EVERY AMERICAN's intelligence....if nothing more!

quote:So, Kerry says that Bush is calluding with Swiftboat vets, and then turns around and hires the online chief of Moveon.org? Do I see just a teensy bit of hypocrisy here? No. What you are seeing, IS Kerry, fighting a dangerous SNAKE. "FIGHTING FIRE, WITH FIRE". No different, than ANY OTHER campaign, in history!! get a grip!

uh....I really doubt, Kerry reads the threads within this forum....but I'll pass your request on up the ladder......

hummm

LOL...Bush didnt say anything!!....We all imagined it. The truth is....we are in the twilight zone!!! If you dont believe me, just ask Jaguar!! Bereuter calls war 'a mistake': http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08/18/...iraq/index.html SEE?...Bereuter, had to retire, before, he spoke up....I guess that means, he is in the twilight zone too....and this is ALL his imagination

LOL, those are good! The one in the bank, with the little girl, was the funniest(IMO)

if it were an analog recording, then there would be reason, for speculation..IF, in fact, a sychronization problem showed up. BUT!!!, being that your dealing with a DIGITAL medium, which is fully dependent, on the speed of the processor, and the compilation(ON A WINDOWS PLATFORM, to boot?) sychronization anomolies mean very little with DIGITAL playback anyway! [ 08-18-2004, 06:11 PM: Message edited by: street ]

NO...........Bush? LOL His daddy's friends, are trying to keep his image, in a positive light. quote: And you guys wonder why people refer to him as King George. Is this not the behavior of a monarch or a dictator? Doesn't it kind of freak any of you guys that love freedom and the process out that this kind of thing is going on? What freaks me out, is how many people ACCEPT this crap as "NORMAL"!!

quote: I do not believe that discussions, as sensitive may be the subject, shall allow our emotions to appear. These emotions are legitime, but their expression seldom help solutions. Instead, you often get stuck in sterile action-reaction personal exchanges. You are absolutely correct. This WHOLE situation: "9/11 > Iraq" Is , in itself, an ACTION-REACTION scenerio, which has YET to be recognized. Thus, the emotion runs deep, and resides near the surface. quote: From a security perspective, we judeo-christians are all in the same boat, from Iceland to Brasil. There is no need to let our thinking be limited by the frame of classic ideologies. We also know that "Errare humanum est", and errors may help us to evolve, as long as there is a genuine motivation to make things "right" not according to our wishes or dreams, but according to pragmatism and taking into account specific geostrategic & cultural contexts even if we do not share all their values. Yes, "To Err, is human", but there is NO benefit, regardless of intent, if the ERROR is NOT recognized, and dealt with. Where then, would the benefit from LEARNING be achieved? This is an example of the culturally radical CHRISTIAN perspective, which I was referring to, in my previous post. Our present administration has declared the IRAQ Invasion as "RIGHTIOUS" ;therefore, any mistakes made, are not under proper consideration, for PREVENTING a repeat scenerio. This, is a security concern, which needs be recognized, by EVERY nation of the world...AMERICA FIRST. I wish more people had enough objectivity to take the geostrategic & cultural contexts into consideration.My hope, is that the Kerry political platform is aware, of this perspective. I believe he is, based on what I have seen, in regard to his campaign. quote: Among many other places, I have spent several years in the middle-east, and not precisely as a tourist. So my knowledge doesen't come from CNN, FoxNews or some government propaganda. The difference of cultures & religions may induce a whole range of mental incompatibilities that can't be levelled just by military force or by the prospect of the "American Dream". We, as westerners, often take as granted that our political, economical & social model is the right "thing". Now, our technical, military & financial might is so extended that at no moment we even consider hypothetically "what if" if it could be the other way around. I believe, this is one of the hardest things for ANY american, to do. We seem to have been conditioned with a "ZERO TOLORANCE" mentality, which literally REFUSES to acknowledge anything other than a linear perspective. quote: We have to fight terrorism, but certainly not by going all guns blazing through the world and saying look, that's how the game has to be played, you are either with us or against us. That's just a great way to create havoc and resentment. Time does not run at the same pace for every culture, nor has money the same impact. I agree. Our perspective,in being a SUPER POWER, is one of the root causes for the American population's blindness. Another root cause, is the REACTIONARY reponse to 9/11. The actions which followed were NOT logical,in finding solution, but radical, to ensure gratification to a people, in shock..and this was done..REGARDLESS of consequence. This is ANOTHER reason, for my stand AGAINST the bush administration's present position ,in regard to INTERNATIONAL policy. quote: The superficiality of our society of consumption has somewhat lowered our capacity to understand foreign concepts. We take care about our families, jobs, positions, debts, belongings. We live in transaction-based models, where the transaction is the fundamental source of almost every social process. Our god is "performance" and "material enrichment". Well, that's not the way of many cultures. Look simply at Irak, Afghanistan or Pakistan. If money would have the same impact as in our countries, fighting would have stopped long ago due to delations given the rewards offered by the US. Now, regardless of how elequate, it is stated, I see Many Americans taking resentment to the facts you mention here; thus, they deny it's existance. Most, are not able to recognize, any seperation, in regard to materialistic morality, and the CAPITOLISTIC foundation and practice of our form of government. The whole Judeo-Christian branch, within the UNITED STATES, is virtually consumed, with materialistic accumulation, and SEE no contradiction within their doctrinal belief, and the most BASIC teachings, of their christ... Those teachings which condemn materialism are justified by our present social structure. I do not believe, the general public, who care, are even aware of ANY conflict. Many do not care. Those are usually ignorant, to the reality of cultural differences throughout the world, and only know what they see within their community...MOST do NOT travel internationally on any regular basis. Perhaps, this has something to do with their gullability to political propaghanda. quote: Fighting terrorism require multilateral & differenciated actions. In fact, the origin of frustration of many arabs is a feeling of the unfairness concerning the quality of life of the palestinians. And it is precisely because touching at Israel is a tabou from a US perspective that there is no solution in sight. This arab frustration is one of the main seeds who benefits terrorism propaganda, manipulation & recruitment, whatever may be the education from involved individuals. Then there is religious extremism. In both sides. How may you put at the same table two peeps who are each convinced that their land belong to them by divine will ? AGAIN, you absolutely correct. Solution is NOT so linear. Our present Administration, is using a LINEAR and agressive stance.Though this is beneficial to him politically, I fear it has obscured those OTHER areas of concern. The Palastinian problem, is certainly at the CORE, of this WHOLE situation. I believe EVERYONE knows that, but there is NO real answer. If neither side, is willing to compromise, there is NO solution. NOT, that I agree with the present situation either. I believe, until a workable compromise is DEFINED...the United States, will continue turning a blind eye toward the actions of Isreal, and palastine alike. There are possible scenerios, where solution could be FORCED, upon BOTH countries, but would certainly be stoking a flame, which burns all to high, as it is. This, is the ultimate eventuality, be that our government continue to follow it's present course. This MUST be avoided, at all cost. To divide, the WORLD, into only TWO opposing sides, would inevitably ignite a WORLD war, best left to the imagination. quote: We have to admit that at our current level of evolution, powers & superpowers, US, Russia, China and a few others, still prefer to push a partisan agenda instead of trying to genuinely solve matters, because this would imply to take a hard stance against some of their allies. US->Israel, China->NK, etc... I am very pessimistic about the outcome. To fight you have to understand and see with the eyes of your enemy. This implies a knowledge of foreign cultures that simply doesen't fit in our lifestyle. It is very difficult to stop a human who has decided to give its life for a cause. It is easier to undermine the context who has the potential to push a human to such an extreme decision. The context, in regard to the WHOLE "terrorist" situation, has been successfully undermined. The call for war, the propaghanda, and the speed which our country went to war, was that which initiated it. This is the BIGGEST moral crime, revolving around this whole matter. To declare a man to be a fanatic, because he is willing to die for a cause. And to declare a nation Justified, for killing a man willing to die for a cause......AND then, IGNORE the root cause for the interaction. It is either short sighted, plain ignorant, or CRIMINAL ARROGANCE...based on the awareness of those involved. quote: But again, politics... Fighting militarly is spectacular and swift. Fighting culturally may take a very long time, but at the end, the achieved change is deeply rooted, and not only circumstancial, playing by the rule of the mighty only as long as its presence lasts...TRUE!! Americans, cannot, and will not...face, even a remote POSSIBILITY, that they will NOT ALWAYS be the FORCE, upon the world...they are today. I believe, we have INTENTIONALLY been lied to, and are essentially blind to ANY solution, but MILITARY subjugation. Meaning: "The American People as a whole". The whole issue, has been dismissed. No alternative solutions have EVER been presented. I believe, the extreme right wing party, has'nt the patience for the time it takes for cultural intervention to work, and have omitted it's publlicity; thus, its validity , as an option for the American position. quote: Just take a look at France. Its foreign politic is not cleaner than other countries. But they have achieved something: muslims and jews living togheter. Of course, there is some extremism, like everywhere else. And despite Sharon hopes, french jew emigration towards Israel still is confined to the few hundreds per year. How did they achieve this ? First, by exercising a strong monitoring of Islam. For ex. the highest islamic authority is designed by the french government. This allows to contain extremist proselytism. Then by enforcing equal treatment of confessions in the structure of an anticonfessional state in public schools, thus inducing children to interact according to their cultural differences instead of the religious ones. The system isn't perfect of course. But France is probably the only western state that is well considered even by poor arabs, despite an unconfessional stance. Surprised ? Well, it took time :-)Sadly, our currant President, has practically made any American, who did not favor his war, to be ENEMIES of the state. This same perception, was bent toward any country within the international community, which stood against his war. This means FRANCE. One would think, someone would recognized the system, implimented within France, and expound upon it. But, again...why would they? The muslims who live here seem passive enough. You, my friend, have a most balanced, and realistic perception concerning this whole matter. One which many could benefit from. I commend you. [ 08-18-2004, 04:17 PM: Message edited by: street ]

quote: I do not believe that discussions, as sensitive may be the subject, shall allow our emotions to appear. These emotions are legitime, but their expression seldom help solutions. Instead, you often get stuck in sterile action-reaction personal exchanges. You are absolutely correct. This WHOLE situation: "9/11 > Iraq" Is , in itself, an ACTION-REACTION scenerio, which has YET to be recognized. Thus, the emotion runs deep, and resides near the surface. quote: From a security perspective, we judeo-christians are all in the same boat, from Iceland to Brasil. There is no need to let our thinking be limited by the frame of classic ideologies. We also know that "Errare humanum est", and errors may help us to evolve, as long as there is a genuine motivation to make things "right" not according to our wishes or dreams, but according to pragmatism and taking into account specific geostrategic & cultural contexts even if we do not share all their values. Yes, "To Err, is human", but there is NO benefit, regardless of intent, if the ERROR is NOT recognized, and dealt with. Where then, would the benefit from LEARNING be achieved? This is an example of the culturally radical CHRISTIAN perspective, which I was referring to, in my previous post. Our present administration has declared the IRAQ Invasion as "RIGHTIOUS" ;therefore, any mistakes made, are not under proper consideration, for PREVENTING a repeat scenerio. This, is a security concern, which needs be recognized, by EVERY nation of the world...AMERICA FIRST. I wish more people had enough objectivity to take the geostrategic & cultural contexts into consideration.My hope, is that the Kerry political platform is aware, of this perspective. I believe he is, based on what I have seen, in regard to his campaign. quote: Among many other places, I have spent several years in the middle-east, and not precisely as a tourist. So my knowledge doesen't come from CNN, FoxNews or some government propaganda. The difference of cultures & religions may induce a whole range of mental incompatibilities that can't be levelled just by military force or by the prospect of the "American Dream". We, as westerners, often take as granted that our political, economical & social model is the right "thing". Now, our technical, military & financial might is so extended that at no moment we even consider hypothetically "what if" if it could be the other way around. I believe, this is one of the hardest things for ANY american, to do. We seem to have been conditioned with a "ZERO TOLORANCE" mentality, which literally REFUSES to acknowledge anything other than a linear perspective. quote: We have to fight terrorism, but certainly not by going all guns blazing through the world and saying look, that's how the game has to be played, you are either with us or against us. That's just a great way to create havoc and resentment. Time does not run at the same pace for every culture, nor has money the same impact. I agree. Our perspective,in being a SUPER POWER, is one of the root causes for the American population's blindness. Another root cause, is the REACTIONARY reponse to 9/11. The actions which followed were NOT logical,in finding solution, but radical, to ensure gratification to a people, in shock..and this was done..REGARDLESS of consequence. This is ANOTHER reason, for my stand AGAINST the bush administration's present position ,in regard to INTERNATIONAL policy. quote: The superficiality of our society of consumption has somewhat lowered our capacity to understand foreign concepts. We take care about our families, jobs, positions, debts, belongings. We live in transaction-based models, where the transaction is the fundamental source of almost every social process. Our god is "performance" and "material enrichment". Well, that's not the way of many cultures. Look simply at Irak, Afghanistan or Pakistan. If money would have the same impact as in our countries, fighting would have stopped long ago due to delations given the rewards offered by the US. Now, regardless of how elequate, it is stated, I see Many Americans taking resentment to the facts you mention here; thus, they deny it's existance. Most, are not able to recognize, any seperation, in regard to materialistic morality, and the CAPITOLISTIC foundation and practice of our form of government. The whole Judeo-Christian branch, within the UNITED STATES, is virtually consumed, with materialistic accumulation, and SEE no contradiction within their doctrinal belief, and the most BASIC teachings, of their christ... Those teachings which condemn materialism are justified by our present social structure. I do not believe, the general public, who care, are even aware of ANY conflict. Many do not care. Those are usually ignorant, to the reality of cultural differences throughout the world, and only know what they see within their community...MOST do NOT travel internationally on any regular basis. Perhaps, this has something to do with their gullability to political propaghanda. quote: Fighting terrorism require multilateral & differenciated actions. In fact, the origin of frustration of many arabs is a feeling of the unfairness concerning the quality of life of the palestinians. And it is precisely because touching at Israel is a tabou from a US perspective that there is no solution in sight. This arab frustration is one of the main seeds who benefits terrorism propaganda, manipulation & recruitment, whatever may be the education from involved individuals. Then there is religious extremism. In both sides. How may you put at the same table two peeps who are each convinced that their land belong to them by divine will ? AGAIN, you absolutely correct. Solution is NOT so linear. Our present Administration, is using a LINEAR and agressive stance.Though this is beneficial to him politically, I fear it has obscured those OTHER areas of concern. The Palastinian problem, is certainly at the CORE, of this WHOLE situation. I believe EVERYONE knows that, but there is NO real answer. If neither side, is willing to compromise, there is NO solution. NOT, that I agree with the present situation either. I believe, until a workable compromise is DEFINED...the United States, will continue turning a blind eye toward the actions of Isreal, and palastine alike. There are possible scenerios, where solution could be FORCED, upon BOTH countries, but would certainly be stoking a flame, which burns all to high, as it is. This, is the ultimate eventuality, be that our government continue to follow it's present course. This MUST be avoided, at all cost. To divide, the WORLD, into only TWO opposing sides, would inevitably ignite a WORLD war, best left to the imagination. quote: We have to admit that at our current level of evolution, powers & superpowers, US, Russia, China and a few others, still prefer to push a partisan agenda instead of trying to genuinely solve matters, because this would imply to take a hard stance against some of their allies. US->Israel, China->NK, etc... I am very pessimistic about the outcome. To fight you have to understand and see with the eyes of your enemy. This implies a knowledge of foreign cultures that simply doesen't fit in our lifestyle. It is very difficult to stop a human who has decided to give its life for a cause. It is easier to undermine the context who has the potential to push a human to such an extreme decision. The context, in regard to the WHOLE "terrorist" situation, has been successfully undermined. The call for war, the propaghanda, and the speed which our country went to war, was that which initiated it. This is the BIGGEST moral crime, revolving around this whole matter. To declare a man to be a fanatic, because he is willing to die for a cause. And to declare a nation Justified, for killing a man willing to die for a cause......AND then, IGNORE the root cause for the interaction. It is either short sighted, plain ignorant, or CRIMINAL ARROGANCE...based on the awareness of those involved. quote: But again, politics... Fighting militarly is spectacular and swift. Fighting culturally may take a very long time, but at the end, the achieved change is deeply rooted, and not only circumstancial, playing by the rule of the mighty only as long as its presence lasts...TRUE!! Americans, cannot, and will not...face, even a remote POSSIBILITY, that they will NOT ALWAYS be the FORCE, upon the world...they are today. I believe, we have INTENTIONALLY been lied to, and are essentially blind to ANY solution, but MILITARY subjugation. Meaning: "The American People as a whole". The whole issue, has been dismissed. No alternative solutions have EVER been presented. I believe, the extreme right wing party, has'nt the patience for the time it takes for cultural intervention to work, and have omitted it's publlicity; thus, its validity , as an option for the American position. quote: Just take a look at France. Its foreign politic is not cleaner than other countries. But they have achieved something: muslims and jews living togheter. Of course, there is some extremism, like everywhere else. And despite Sharon hopes, french jew emigration towards Israel still is confined to the few hundreds per year. How did they achieve this ? First, by exercising a strong monitoring of Islam. For ex. the highest islamic authority is designed by the french government. This allows to contain extremist proselytism. Then by enforcing equal treatment of confessions in the structure of an anticonfessional state in public schools, thus inducing children to interact according to their cultural differences instead of the religious ones. The system isn't perfect of course. But France is probably the only western state that is well considered even by poor arabs, despite an unconfessional stance. Surprised ? Well, it took time :-)Sadly, our currant President, has practically made any American, who did not favor his war, to be ENEMIES of the state. This same perception, was bent toward any country within the international community, which stood against his war. This means FRANCE. One would think, someone would recognized the system, implimented within France, and expound upon it. But, again...why would they? The muslims who live here seem passive enough. You, my friend, have a most balanced, and realistic perception concerning this whole matter. One which many could benefit from. I commend you. [ 08-18-2004, 04:17 PM: Message edited by: street ]

quote:Street, I say again, you get what you give with me, no more, no less. I give you exactly what I have recieved from you. That has always been my policy, you wish to continue this little pissing match, go right ahead, because I'm out of it, if you wish to have a rational discussion, let's have one, otherwise, I will just ignore you. Thanks that is a lie , and you know it.! YOU are the one, who starts all the NAME CALLING crap. Go back and read a little. lieing about it, will not change, the FACTS, You cant even be honest with yourself. I BEGGED you to ignore me...you wouldnt. From the VERY beginning, you felt the need to ATTACK everything I posted. $ilk, I respect. Even though he was doing the same at the time, he evidently saw the rediculousness in the FORM, the debate evolved into...and ceased. You, and your "EGO", as a monitor..would NOT allow ANYONE, who disagreed with you...to post ANYTHING contrary to your stand, without you ATTACKING THEM. EVEN to the point of closing ALL the threads involved, at one point. You, just like BUSH, need to come clean, and at least ADMIT, where you are guilty...its in the archives..just go back and read. I openly admit my position, and the reasons, why I stand on my position. Even so, I stand on the history within the archives, as to my statements and actions..guilty or otherwise. At least have the SELF RESPECT, to speak SOME truth, someplace...sometime...even if it is to yourself!!! and PLEASE DO ignore me.... quote:

quote: Tell me about it Wolferz. In Vegas we get lots of "California Rollers". Apparently in Cali, you don't have to come to a complete stop at a stop sign, as long as you yeild to traffic. That last part seems to fool a few people. WHAT, you mean, I gotta YIELD too??? rules of the road..LAWS?...lol You should see how they do it here, in Texas. They absolutely REFUSE to enforce traffic laws. PEOPLE ignore POLICE. most of the time, they will commit violations, in front of them. Only a 10% chance, they will get pulled. I guess; That way, the POLICE can pick and choose...ANYONE..ANYTIME.... Leaves, for a huge potential, in cash, anytime of the month or year, the city may need it. It's ALL about the money.