TowerJockey Posted August 27, 2004 Report Posted August 27, 2004 Dunno where to find information on how to solve CTA anomolies as I have tried to do different things but no matter what I do when my intercepters or shuttles dock game CRASHES to desktop. I have restarted numerous times from saved game and each time it happens like clockwork. Very nice game but seems to be very unstable. please reply with fix if one exists.
Guest Shingen Posted August 27, 2004 Report Posted August 27, 2004 Sounds like a bad savegame file. Have you tried starting a new game and seeing if the problem still happens?
TowerJockey Posted August 27, 2004 Author Report Posted August 27, 2004 Gosh I sure hope that is not the case as I use the Quit and save periodically cause the forums stated the QS option is not suppported. Sure sounds like thisgame can use some advanced coding and re-engineering. It's a great game concept but by the looks of all the issues it is having seems it would be a better seller if the programmers could resolve some of the common issues in the coding instead of bashing everyone for asking for help. I reluctantto purchase another title cause of the extreme arrogance of "the supreme cmdr.". he is too full of homself and seems to get great pleasure from acting like "God" since he designed the game. He concieved a great idea I give him that but "you catch more bugs with sugar than vinegar".
Guest Shingen Posted August 27, 2004 Report Posted August 27, 2004 All games have bad saves from time to time.. never played one that didn't. Did you want help, or where you just here to mouth off?
TowerJockey Posted August 27, 2004 Author Report Posted August 27, 2004 would love some help. did not mean to be offensive just really affraid i will be another victim by asking for help. I read tons of posts by SC and they really are mean. I'm a passive person i just want to play this guys game and have fun. I don't want him comming down on me like a ton of bricks. this is the only game i have ever played that the save game feature was flawed, but then again i have only played a few PC games altogether.
street228 Posted August 27, 2004 Report Posted August 27, 2004 quote:this is the only game i have ever played that the save game feature was flawed, but then again i have only played a few PC games altogether. It's NOT really flawed. I have no problems, as well as many others. Be sure you have the most up-to-date patch installed, from the proper directory. If you DO have a corrupt save, the reason.. would be unknown to me. And IF, that is DEFINATELY what has happened...I would clean everything off, and try a fresh new setup(all the proper patches, in correct sequence..etc.) and start over. Double check, your system resources, and the like. Insure, you have everything proper. The Game is EXTREMELY solid, and bug free.
TowerJockey Posted August 27, 2004 Author Report Posted August 27, 2004 I have done all you have suggested and this machine was built for one purpose --- to enjoy UC!! Look at the stats of this system the system is in tip-top shape and upto date driver wise and bios wise. I just don't want to have to start over again. Loosing weeks of play time isn't worth it if it continues to fail to save the game properly.
Guest Shingen Posted August 27, 2004 Report Posted August 27, 2004 quote:Originally posted by TowerJockey: would love some help. did not mean to be offensive just really affraid i will be another victim by asking for help. I read tons of posts by SC and they really are mean. I'm a passive person i just want to play this guys game and have fun. I don't want him comming down on me like a ton of bricks. So what if he does? It'll only hurt for a little while, and you'll get over it. First law of these forums is don't take anything personally. It's just a game fer Christ's sake. quote:this is the only game i have ever played that the save game feature was flawed, but then again i have only played a few PC games altogether. Well, speaking strictly of "Space-Sims", I've gotten bad saves while playing X2-The Threat, Terminus, Freespace 1 and 2, Frontier/First Encounters, X-wing Alliance, every BC game, every single Wing Commander game, and several Star Trek games. Dunno why it happens, it just does. Hazards of PC gaming. UC is as stable as any PC game out there. It has certain issues, but don't they all. I've been playing UC for the biggest part of the day, and my shuttles and FCs are docking without problems...haven't had a crash or CTD all day...so it can't be the game.
street228 Posted August 27, 2004 Report Posted August 27, 2004 None of MY machines, have any similarity to your equipment, so I am NOT qualified, to identify anything, which may cause your system to crash. I had a corrupt save files, once, but That was long before latest updates were availiable. I dont know, maybe someone else can help you, or you can re-examine your install proceedure,(order in which you installed WHICH update and insure they were installed from the proper folders..etc) and compare this to information on the board. do some searches, as to the video, and sound card compatabilities ..using the search feature at the top of the forum. search for your video card..and read what others have experienced with like cards....etc. etc. (I had some video card settings, which caused crashes) check your system, to INSURE, there are NO conflicts, video/ sound/ mouse...etc. ( I have had interrupt conflicts, hang, the sound, and cause crashes) Check, your cd-ROM...insure, it is in DMA mode...etc.( I had one cd-rom crash, 1 out of every few hundred access, due to a corrupt installation of a CD-ROM driver. This one took me a month to find ) No one on this board could possibly have helped me solve that one!! maybe this will help, maybe not, but good luck to you.
Guest Shingen Posted August 27, 2004 Report Posted August 27, 2004 Oh one thing... your DX version needs to be 9.0c. (..as stated in the VCF) That might be your problem right there.
TowerJockey Posted August 27, 2004 Author Report Posted August 27, 2004 I have DX 9c it's just not one of their choices to select for display so I did the latest one they have avilable which is 9B. all patches installed properly. if anyone wants my zip file of the saved game to see for themselves it is reproducable on every system i have tried it on. I own a computer store and have many systems at my disposal to test on so now that the peoblem has been isolated to the saved game files i am sure it is not with the system as to the cause. My e-mail addy is [email protected] i have 2 game saves in the zip file that both demonstrate the same issue. just e-mail me if you want them to inspect.
Guest Shingen Posted August 27, 2004 Report Posted August 27, 2004 You can send it to me ([email protected])and I'll test it out, but I'm not a beta-tester or anything official...just a gamer. Best workaround for bad saves is to use more them one save slot (that way you'll only lose a few hours and not a few weeks), but I can't remember the last bad save I got in UC (though I know I've had a few since that machine plays the game 24/7, and I save/backup saves every night and every morning). I use every save slot, one after the other, so if a save goes bad, I have others that aren't bad, and I can load off one of those.
Pugwash Posted August 27, 2004 Report Posted August 27, 2004 quote:Originally posted by TowerJockey: Dunno where to find information on how to solve CTA anomolies as I have tried to do different things but no matter what I do when my intercepters or shuttles dock game CRASHES to desktop. I have restarted numerous times from saved game and each time it happens like clockwork. Very nice game but seems to be very unstable. please reply with fix if one exists. This is the sort of post that is no use to anyone, no details are given on what game version you are using and don't say the latest because that's another bit of useless information. If you have patched the game did you patch it correctly (see FAQ for details) most of the reported CTD are caused by users failing to patch the game correctly. You have tried different things, what exactly have you tried? Did you do a clean install and patch correctly to v2.00.12 then start SNG? What are the exact steps to produce this problem? Include Race/Caste/Launch Base/Launch Asset Does this event occur with different game parameters? As with any other reported issue if it can't be verified and reproduced by a beta tester or trusted member the SC won't touch it. As I don't suffer from this problem I can only surmise it's a problem at your end, that's until you can provide a method of reproducing your issue. quote:Originally posted by TowerJockey: I reluctantto purchase another title cause of the extreme arrogance of "the supreme cmdr.". he is too full of homself and seems to get great pleasure from acting like "God" since he designed the game. He concieved a great idea I give him that but "you catch more bugs with sugar than vinegar". Round here the SC is God. Admins, Moderators and other CAT members are God's right hand This the SC's board he pays for it, he says what is and is not allowed, guests abide by these rules while here. You could always go to the DreamCatcher forum. This (Bc3k, BCM, BCMG, UC) is his game/s and he is rightly proud of it and defends it accordingly. Got called away while writing and by the time I returned many new posts had been made.
TowerJockey Posted August 27, 2004 Author Report Posted August 27, 2004 Pugwash, I have a clean install of UC and Placed the patch uc200_patch in the UC directory where the uc.exe resides and ran it sucessfully then applied the patch uc2[1].00.12.01 in the same fashion from the same directory and it too was appiled successfully. The exact steps i did to reproduce the issue were simple i restored the save game file which loaded sucessfully then i gave the order for my FC to return to base as soon as the craft docks wow CDT. I will gladly send you the zipped file of saved games (2) both of which are roam profiles and you can see for yourself. I am not a game programmer just a PC system builder. I bought the game and I like it it is a great game just can't figure out this issue. I welcome anyone (designer, betatester, enthusiast, whoever) to send me an e-mail to [email protected] and i will reply with the attached zip file. I'm not trying to offend anyone or challenge anyone's expertise, I simply would like someone to provide a solution to the issue. I am willing to provide all information i have. the files will simply prove my point that the issue is re-creatable. since I did test the game save file onseveral differently configured systems I can conclude it is a game issue or a saved game issue and not a PC system issue since it happened on all the systems I tested it on.
Pugwash Posted August 27, 2004 Report Posted August 27, 2004 But can you reliably reproduce the problem from a new game? If all your doing is copying back an old saved game all that proves is the is a problem with that saved game. Was this saved game file created with the current 2.00.12 or an earlier game version? The only advice I have is to delete the entire contents of your "save" folder and start again following Shingen's advice full save regally using all 10 slots. I would add to that for absolute security once all 10 slots are full, copy off and archive the contents of the "save" folder so that you can always return to them I'm an excessive compulsive when it comes to saving
TowerJockey Posted August 27, 2004 Author Report Posted August 27, 2004 I have not tried to reproduce from a new game. the saved game was created with v2.00.12 I was using only 2 game save slots that is why i have 2 seperate game save spots at different intervals to which both exhibit the same issue. I will just swallow my pride and start over with a new Game, although I would greatly appreciate it if someone could fix my saved game files so i can enjoy that game if possible. For $20 USD I must admit this game really impresses me. I look forward to may hours and week and even years of playing satisfaction. AWESOME game been log time since i found a space sim that i really enjoyed and that was back in the 486 era lol (smiles). Wonder if anyone can guess that game title? i believe it was from a company that was absorbed by Electronice Artists but cannot confirm. Frankly i cant remember the title myself hahahahaha. Thanks all hope to hear more good news soon.
Guest Shingen Posted August 28, 2004 Report Posted August 28, 2004 quote:Originally posted by TowerJockey: I was using only 2 game save slots that is why i have 2 seperate game save spots at different intervals to which both exhibit the same issue.I played the savegame you sent me for about 45 minutes, and I never got one single CTD. GCV Ding-a-ling in Mondial. I went ahead and saved the game in a fresh (empty) save slot, loaded that save up several times, and never had any problems docking FCs or shuttles, going into Tacops, alt-Eing in FP mode, or anything. If you want my save of your game, I can email it back to you, but I ain't making no promises it'll boot up and run on your kit, without crashing again. All I am promising is that it didn't CTD on me at all.
Guest Shingen Posted August 28, 2004 Report Posted August 28, 2004 quote:Originally posted by Pugwash: I'm an excessive compulsive when it comes to saving You think you're bad? I'll save before jumping into ANY other region, fully upgraded or not! BC has a way of letting you fall into a false sense of invincibility, only to rise up and kick you in the teeth..hard! Also, when I get to 10 saves, I'll back up those saves in a zip file, then delete everything in the /save folder (except for the last saved profile). That way I'm always saving to a fresh (empty) save slot. BC hates writing over files...at least in my experience. [ 08-28-2004, 11:32 AM: Message edited by: Shingen ]
TowerJockey Posted August 28, 2004 Author Report Posted August 28, 2004 Shingen, Wow now I am seriously confused. yes by all means send it back and let me try it again after you saved. I think I'll just crawl back under my rock and DIE now
TowerJockey Posted August 28, 2004 Author Report Posted August 28, 2004 Well no Joy hehehe it let me dock one FC then when the second docked it's CTD. Thanks for the try I really appreciate it but I'm done. I got my $20 worth of entertainment out of it. Greg
Guest Shingen Posted August 28, 2004 Report Posted August 28, 2004 quote:Originally posted by TowerJockey: Well no Joy hehehe it let me dock one FC then when the second docked it's CTD. Thanks for the try I really appreciate it but I'm done. I got my $20 worth of entertainment out of it. Greg Sorry it didn't work, but that's the way the ball bounces. Computer programming, hardware, software, and gaming in general is still basically in it's infancy, so why you expect perfection from any game is beyond me. Play the game for what it is, except it's limitations and use workarounds, or go do something else. Shite happens...get over it.
Supreme Cmdr Posted August 28, 2004 Report Posted August 28, 2004 quote:Originally posted by TowerJockey: Well no Joy hehehe it let me dock one FC then when the second docked it's CTD. Thanks for the try I really appreciate it but I'm done. I got my $20 worth of entertainment out of it. Greg Now would be a good time to actually read the FAQ in the section where it describes how to scrub your install and start from scratch.
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