Government Gone Too Far

[Darkling]

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Originally posted by Cmdr Chavik:

At what point does it stop? Women who take the pill are committing murder because that egg has no chance of coming to fruition? I have millions of sperm. Am I committing murder by using a condom?

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You've got to be kidding me, you're comparing your sperm to a living breathing baby?!? Give me a F|_|**ing Break!

Women who take the pill are PREVENTING a life from being created inside of them, how does that equate to murder. Why don't you look up the definition of Murder it's the unlawfull killing of a Human Being. A Baby IS a human being, your sperm is NOT a Human Being. Get it.

[Charles Lindsey]

It's called a rhetorical question. Look six posts up (this page) where I explained it for real. Just nature's redudancy.

[Guest]

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Originally posted by echo:

I love it!!!! Hey wait aren't we changing the subject?

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Glad you liked it Echo, I will let my wife know...

She picked the background color...

Also, do not forget to go into your profile and choose the avatar that is on this server. The one your using is remote right now, so change it to the one that's here.

Thanks,

[LostInSpace]

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Originally posted by echo:

Hey wait aren't we changing the subject?

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Yeah, but we can use a little diversion from time to time. Can't have heated debates all the time ya know.

Speaking of which here we go have a read of this and air your opinions Is Abortion Murder? from a Bible Scholar's point of view.

Also here's a litte more into the Melissa Ann Rowland case The Salt Lake Tribune.

[ 03-15-2004, 09:53 PM: Message edited by: LostInSpace ]

[Guest]

OMG, someone actually got THAT pregnant?

Sorry, but that is just plain.... disgusting, I wouldn't touch that with someone else's......

The woman needs to be put away, what ever happened to our state mental hospitals, about time they reopened, these people are a danger to themselves and others, and need to be put somewhere safe....

[LostInSpace]

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Originally posted by Jaguar:

OMG, someone actually got THAT pregnant?

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Yup do you know Dennis Miller on his CNBC show said just that.

[Charles Lindsey]

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Q. When does personhood begin?

A. The Bible indicates that personhood begins when a baby emerges from the motherÔÇÖs

womn

. In the Bible and in modern life, birthdays are observed on the date of the babyÔÇÖs emergence from the womb. The precise moment of the beginning of personhood is when the baby takes its first breath.

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I tend to not trust articles with misspellings in them.

[Darkling]

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Originally posted by LostInSpace:

go have a read of this and air your opinions

Is Abortion Murder?

from a Bible Scholar's point of view.

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This guy's a Bible Scholar? For a supposed "Man of the Cloth" he seems to be seething with hatred for anyone who has a different opinion than himself, here's just one excerpt.

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From an interview of Graham Spurgeon:

Q. DonÔÇÖt you admire the anti-abortionists for being motivated by reverence for life?

A. ThatÔÇÖs not their main motivation. Their main motivation is revenge. They want to see pregnant teenagers suffer the consequences of their sin. I have seen the evil gleam of vengeance in the anti abortionistsÔÇÖ eyes as they say, ÔÇ£She had her fun; now she has to pay the price.ÔÇØ

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Revenge? I want to see Lives saved for Revenge? OK.

[Darkling]

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Originally posted by Jaguar:

OMG, someone actually got THAT pregnant?

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Hey why do you think God created Brown Paper Bags?

[Darkling]

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Originally posted by Cmdr Chavik:

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Q. When does personhood begin?

A. The Bible indicates that personhood begins when a baby emerges from the motherÔÇÖs

womn

. In the Bible and in modern life, birthdays are observed on the date of the babyÔÇÖs emergence from the womb. The precise moment of the beginning of personhood is when the baby takes its first breath.

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I tend to not trust articles with misspellings in them.

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True.. Also, another interesting note. The procedure involved in "Partial Birth Abortions" requires that the doctor take deliver the baby up to the neck, where many times the baby will draw a breath, while the doctor sticking a needle in the back of his head to suck out his brains.

I wonder what this "Pastor's" take on this is.

[Wolferz]

Ok, now you guys are just being cruel. You should be ashamed.

Bottom line is we are all born into these biomechanical transports, and just like our automobiles, they begin to deteriorate with time and use, finally ceasing to function any longer.

"He's dead Jim"

There is nothing that the Medical experts have come up with to date to prevent this event from happening. We have junk yards full of these dead biological transports.

This woman was well within her rights to refuse any medical treatment deemed necessary by some highbrow Doctors looking for their next Bentley payment. Now it appears that the state has extended it's reach into the womb and essentially has made unborn children wards of the state. What's next? Neonatal care facilities(jails) run by the government? What a load! How Elitist could you get??? Not to mention totally ludicrous, ignorant, and other adjectives out to infinty.

I think we have placed too much faith in modern medicine.

So much so that this faith has added another weapon to our mighty arsenal of Laws and regulations. Laws created by fallible people do not hold much sway with me. There are only 11 laws that govern my actions while I habitate this mass of protoplasm and they weren't created by men. There is not one living being on this Earth that I feel has any right to judge me or my actions, or anyone elses for that matter.

IMHO many of my fellow denizens on this board have been brainwashed by the system.

Open your minds, Free your hearts, love thy neighbor. wake up your sleeping spirit, judge your own self.

go forth and multiply

[Guest $iLk]

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In America, by contrast, when our Founding Fathers wrote the Constitution, early abortions were legal.

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wot?

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I am thankful to God for abortion. Anyone who reads the Bible with an open mind and ÔÇô more important ÔÇô an open heart, will see that our Heavenly Father wants quality, not quantity, for His children.

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"And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the Earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the Earth" - Genesis 1:27-28

"Lo, children are an heritage of the LORD: and the fruit of the womb is His reward" - Psalms 127:3

And in his 'essay' he equates a fetus with a plant you pull out of the ground. Not even gonna take this guy seriously. He puts up a few of the normal arguments as to "which cases" abortion ought to be okay and expands it to cover everything down to an "I don't want this baby."

Calls himself a Baptist, picks a few choice scriptures he can manipulate while ignoring others and attempts to use Christianity as an excuse for murder.

[Charles Lindsey]

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$ilk

And in his 'essay' he equates a fetus with a plant you pull out of the ground. Not even gonna take this guy seriously.

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The misspelling, I put his name in Yahoo search and it came up with NOTHING even though it was supposedly copyrighted in 1982 and distributed to all 50 states. A few things were reasonable but the combination of things I noticed just tells me it's propaganda and therefore useless.

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Darkling

True.. Also, another interesting note. The procedure involved in "Partial Birth Abortions" requires that the doctor take deliver the baby up to the neck, where many times the baby will draw a breath, while the doctor sticking a needle in the back of his head to suck out his brains.

I wonder what this "Pastor's" take on this is.

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Yeah that's just a tiny bit too late. I think there is plenty of time at the beginning. You wait that long then change your mind then tough cookies.

Now the woman we were talking about if she had punched herself in the stomach I would be completely opposite.

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Darkling

Revenge? I want to see Lives saved for Revenge? OK.

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Yup. Well perhaps not you but that particular answer was one of the few I liked because it's true. People love power over other people.

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Wolferz

I think we have placed too much faith in modern medicine.

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I said in another thread somewhere I think we are curing ourselves to death.

[echo]

Jag, I think I am good, I chose it off the list in my profile...Are we able to check?

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Darkling

True.. Also, another interesting note. The procedure involved in "Partial Birth Abortions" requires that the doctor take deliver the baby up to the neck, where many times the baby will draw a breath, while the doctor sticking a needle in the back of his head to suck out his brains.

I wonder what this "Pastor's" take on this is.

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This I have to say brought tears to my eyes

On a lighter note...I don't go cryin around here when "Ant Flo is in town" so could you guys refrain from describing yourselves workin' up a batch! I hardly need these visuals!

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Originally posted by echo:

Jag, I think I am good, I chose it off the list in my profile...Are we able to check?

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Yep, you're good, you right click on the avatar and click properties, it shows 3000AD, so yep, all set!! Good job!!

[Wolferz]

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chavik said:I said in another thread somewhere I think we are curing ourselves to death.

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It's not us that are doing it..

I did some more digging on our old buddies from Yale. The Order of Skull and Bones

They and their ilk are the predominant figures that set up our current medical systems with the founding of Johns Hopkins University and later The federally run CDC (centers for Disease Control).

So like every other resource, (and people are a resource too) on the planet, they have some if not total control of it.

If you look between the lines at all the information we are bombarded with by the media, you can see their method of Ordered Chaos.

They will use this poor woman in Utah to further their agenda of resource control into the womb.

In other words it will become a felony crime to refuse any prenatal medical treatment.

The general population is nothing more than lab rats and oxen to these people, not to mention the source of their wealth, past present and future.

So, of course they are going to do everything they can to keep our noses pressed firmly to the grindstone for as long as possible, much like a farmer would care for his livestock.

In the late 19th century many people were dying from Venereal Diseases and other complications of poor hygeine and sanitation.

One could argue that these guys were the saviors of modern living.

But at what cost to all of us??

Medical care that we can't afford, but they can.

I think in the end, their grandest wish is to only increase their wealth, power and longevity at the expense of the rest of us.

After discovering this information I'm really beginning to feel like an old shoe.

I have lived my life with some rich bugger's foot stuck up my arse so far that I could smell his stinking feet continuously.

Each step they take puts them closer to world domination.

"name your child William Mrs Smith, we'll take care of the rest."

[Guest $iLk]

I did some research here on the forum... I think the Order of Skull and Bones has secretly been having itself brought up in every thread...

Scary stuff... not sure if I buy it though.

[Wolferz]

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Originally posted by $iLk:

I did some research here on the forum... I think the Order of Skull and Bones has secretly been having itself brought up in every thread...

Scary stuff... not sure if I buy it though.

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LOL Silk

Don't shoot the messengers.

If we all stood on railroad tracks with our eyes closed and ignored the horn of an approaching train, we would certainly die.

Ignoring any warning about the S&B would essentially be the same thing.

Dig deeper and enlighten yourself in regard to what these guys have been doing for over a century.

Tell ya what: Take a vacation in New England, visit the Yale campus. and try to walk into their building.

I'd bet the farm that you would be thrown out poste haste,arrested for trespassing, Then have the CIA watching you for years.

Let us know how you fare, If you can

[Guest $iLk]

If someone can cover my expenses for travel... I'd go ninja on em'

[Guest $iLk]

Thoughts on this subject -

Throw out the woman involved - that isn't the point. Bad examples make bad law.

Assuming that a mother is liable for homicide/murder/ etc. if she doesn't follow a doctor's advice.

What if?

What if the mother has a chance of dying if a C-section is not performed but the baby won't survive the C-section?

Who's rights dominate?

Assuming you have to have surgery to benefit another person:

What if?

What if it isn't a baby in the womb but a relative - and they need a bone marrow transplant which is risky - should the government be able to force you to be a donor?

Just a couple random thoughts I had.

[Darkling]

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Originally posted by echo:

Darkling

True.. Also, another interesting note. The procedure involved in "Partial Birth Abortions" requires that the doctor take deliver the baby up to the neck, where many times the baby will draw a breath, while the doctor sticking a needle in the back of his head to suck out his brains.

I wonder what this "Pastor's" take on this is.

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This I have to say brought tears to my eyes

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Believe me when I tell you that the first time I found out this procedure was legal, It brought tears to my eyes as well. The sad part about it is that the reasons that people use for this late term procedure are many times utterly rediculous. I remember once instance that I had read about where a woman had this procedure done because the baby had a birth defect where the baby's intestines where outside of his stomach. Surprisingly, the old Attorney General, that served Under Bush Senior, I can't remember his name now, but he had delivered a baby YEARS ago, with the same defect, but he performed surgury on her while she was still in her mothers womb to repair the damage.

Later in life when he was having surgery, SHE ASSISTED another doctor in operating on him, poetic justice that he save her life, and she in turn his. My point is that if he had performed this life saving procedure so long ago, why couldn't the same be done with our so called "Modern" medicine?

[Steve Schacher]

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I remember once instance that I had read about where a woman had this procedure done because the baby had a birth defect where the baby's intestines where outside of his stomach.

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That sounds outrageous to me. Intestines are outside of one's stomach -- the stomach flows into one's intestines.

However, more to your point, there have been stories of mothers aborting babies because of cleft palates. A cleft palate is a minor birth defect correctable with plastic surgery.

[echo]

My Uncle who was born in the 40's had some guts, I think his intenstines, growing outside of his body and they fixed it back then. It is an outrage that this actually happens. Imagine how many are done after an Amnio.....It's awful.