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What do people in Florida do after a huricane? They either move someplace else, find a job, pay rent and go on with their lives. Or they stay, keep their old job or get a new one, re-build their homes, and go on with their lives.

What do people in California do after an earthquake? Same thing, they rebuild, WITHOUT government assistance, or they move, AGAIN, WITHOUT GOVERNMENT ASSISTANCE.

What is this noncence then?

"WASHINGTON (Nov. 3) - Warned by angry Texas officials that thousands of Hurricane Katrina evacuees could soon face eviction from their new homes, the Federal Emergency Management Agency is negotiating with officials in Dallas to set up a federally financed housing-voucher program, municipal officials said Thursday."

WHY are we paying for this? These are ADULTS? And they are treated like the rest of us are adults and this are some helpless kids. Why are we picking up the tab? Why are we paying for their living? This is ludicrous. Normal people STRIVE to be self sufficient. They cope with circumstances. They GO AND FIND work. What is this comlete and utter BS. Am I and those close to me the only ones? Why isn't the rest of America not standing up and saying ENOUGH.

If my home in CA was damaged during an earthquake, does ANYONE here think that I would get ANY government help? Does anyone here think that I would even want governments help? Why are we not holding the rest of USA's population to the bare minimum standard of being a HUMAN, and instead treat them like house pets, buing their food and proving kennels at my and other peoples expense?

Thousands of illigals are working the fields in CA. So I KNOW we need field workers here. Kick out the illegals, and stop this wellfare hand outs. And amazingly, there WILL be US citizens plowing fields and picking fruit. Who do you think did it in the 30's? Hasn't anyone seen the movie "Painted House". It was the poor people who picked fruit, living in tents. It wasn't the illegals, replacing those poor so that they could collect wellfare.

Thousands of illegals are working at Wallmart because US citizens are not happy making bare minimums. Why work 10 hours a day they say, when you can sit at home and make the same ammount. WHY? If they didn't have wellfare, would they work 10 hours a day for the same money as what wellfare was providing them with? We already KNOW that they can live on that much.

America WILL change. All I see is, if it doesn't change by political processes, it will have to change by force. Just like during the revolution. I mean look at France, their 20% unemployed are already rioting. All because socialism killed to corporations that provided the jobs, that put food on the tables, then the money run out, and that's what you get.

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Are you saying that California doesn't receive FEMA grants after an earthquake? That the state itself doesn't provide funding for recovery?

I've never once complained that my tax dollars are spent helping people after a disaster even though I think they're fools for living in places prone to them.

I'm not sure where you got your selfish streak Soback, but I hope for your sake it fades as you grow older.

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It's my money, and I should do with it what I want, is somehow selfish?

What?

I should feel guilty because someone has less then I do, and therefore should be willing to give up MORE food on my table, MORE money in my wallet, a NICER house for my family, because someone else, with the SAME opportunities that I have, doesn't have the wherewithal to make their life better, and so I SHOULD PAY FOR IT?

I don't think so....

IT'S MY MONEY, and I TAKE CARE OF MYSELF, why is that so much to ask of others?

Selfish? I don't think so, it is WORKING HARD TO MAKE IT, and wanting the REWARDS fo making it, not giving it away to some LOSER who can't or won't cut it....

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We're talking tax money here Jag, and unless you want to live on an island by yourself you've gotta pay 'em. This is a society where everyone does their part not only to improve their own lives, but also of those around them (including those that can't or won't). Anything else is known as anarchy.

The only control you have over it is voting for politicians who will do something about it, which is not very likely considering people vote for politicians that do things for them and politicians do things for people to get elected.

What about taxes to pay for infrastructure? Do you oppose that too? Afterall, other people do benefit from it. I mean come on, why should my tax money go towards building that road if others that don't pay taxes get to use it?

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It's sad Grizzle. You were born here, but don't even know what taxes are supposed to be paid. You have this misconception that taxes HAVE to be paid from those who work, to support ANYTHING, EVERYTHING, and EVERYONE. Very sad that you don't know your own countrys Declaration of Independence, Bill of Rights, and the Constitution. Have you ever read them outside of high school? I KNOW that you have not because of your posts, the one above being just one of those examples. Those wonderful documents have ALL the answers, even to those of taxes.

You think US was established on principles of anarchy?

Since the politicans that we have now will not do anything. Just like everything else in this world, as US is picking up speed towards socialism, and as we are becoming more and more bankrupt as a nation. One day it will collapse, and strong people will rise up to rebuild. If US born citizens are so stupid as to be ignorant of the great work their own country was build on, and the laws and principles it was established on, then when the whole thing collapses, it will be people like me that will kick all of those ignorants out from this land, and make it the capitalistic Novus Ordo Seclorum it was supposed to be by it's very unadulterated design.

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LOL, In a decade, I probably would be able to run for president on a platform of re-building US based on Declaration of Independence, Bill of Rights, and The Constitution. And the ONLY ones that will object on basis of my illegitimacy as a naturalized citizen will be those who will be threatened and affraid of having their benefits and priveleges that they have gained by corruption, taken away. Because those 3 documents would give the power, freedom and their lives back to the productive people, the ones who have values to offer, and will protect them from the leeches, beurocrats, looters, and criminals. And you know why I would be unstopable? Because I wouldn't care about PC, about which person or what population bracket or what ethnicity group I need to please, or any deals with beurocrats. Why, because pleasing, appeasing, or making deals will not be my aim. My only aim, the one and ONLY, would be to do my job, and make US the way it was supposed to be, to restore the power and law of those documents, and I would succeed amid all the yells of bloody murder that would be coming out from socialists, liberals, and third world countries, because I will NEVER let that distract me from what HAS to be done. That's all.

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Originally posted by Aperson:

You'd lose then, as politics is popular vote more or less.

Well, in that case at least you are admiting that as US keeps on degenerating on it's socialist path. There will be more wellfare recepients, more leeches, more liberals, more criminals and more scum. Those are the ones who will feel threatened and will literally vote for their survival with their vote against me. Seeing as if there will be more of them, and less of the productive people, the only way it will end is collapse.

In which case, look two posts up. Strong people will rise, build a new US, and get rid of the scum.

Either way, it's a win/win. It's tough, but collapse would probably be better, 80% of the work to bring about a new US will be done by the socialists themselfs. And there would be no wrangling once it all goes down. It will be either you survive, or you don't.

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Originally posted by Soback:

LOL, In a decade, I probably would be able to run for president on a platform of re-building US based on Declaration of Independence, Bill of Rights, and The Constitution. And the ONLY ones that will object on basis of my illegitimacy as a naturalized citizen will be those who will be threatened and affraid of having their benefits and priveleges that they have gained by corruption, taken away. Because those 3 documents would give the power, freedom and their lives back to the productive people, the ones who have values to offer, and will protect them from the leeches, beurocrats, looters, and criminals. And you know why I would be unstopable? Because I wouldn't care about PC, about which person or what population bracket or what ethnicity group I need to please, or any deals with beurocrats. Why, because pleasing, appeasing, or making deals will not be my aim. My only aim, the one and ONLY, would be to do my job, and make US the way it was supposed to be, to restore the power and law of those documents, and I would succeed amid all the yells of bloody murder that would be coming out from socialists, liberals, and third world countries, because I will NEVER let that distract me from what HAS to be done. That's all.

Delusions of Grandeur is a sign of mental illness. I have a friend who suffers from paranoid schizophrenia and he used to talk about being a savior too. It's very sad. Don't worry though, he's been in treatment for a few years now and he's much better even if he has to be on constant medication. There is still hope for you Soback.

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Originally posted by Soback:

You think US was established on principles of anarchy?


No. I'm speaking in broader terms, to a time when our ancestors evolved to a point when they realized that working together was a much better way to ensure the survival of our species. You know the old two heads are better than one theory. Or the one expressed in just about every religion known to mankind that states it is better to take care of your fellow man than it is to pursue selfish needs.

Now if you must know, I believe in taking care of myself first and anything I have left over I give gladly and willingly to those without. I know that must seem horrific to you, but hey, I gotta be me.

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Originally posted by Grizzle:

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Originally posted by Soback:

You think US was established on principles of anarchy?


No. I'm speaking in broader terms, to a time when our ancestors evolved to a point when they realized that working together was a much better way to ensure the survival of our species. You know the old two heads are better than one theory. Or the one expressed in just about every religion known to mankind that states it is better to take care of your fellow man than it is to pursue selfish needs.

Now if you must know, I believe in taking care of myself first and anything I have left over I give gladly and willingly to those without. I know that must seem horrific to you, but hey, I gotta be me.


That's NOT horrific to either of us Grizzle, if that is what YOU CHOOSE to do with your money...

We don't have that choice, the government comes to us with a gun in one hand, and our wallet in the other.

If we had a CHOICE, we might choose to share the wealth as well, but we DON'T have a choice, we have a GUN to our head, and our wallets raped by those that did NOT earn the money that is in OUR wallets.

Choice Grizzle, it is ALL about PERSONAL choice...

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Originally posted by Soback:

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Originally posted by Aperson:

You'd lose then, as politics is popular vote more or less.

Well, in that case at least you are admiting that as US keeps on degenerating on it's socialist path.


No I didn't. It was supposed to be a cynical remark on how politics works (I.E. whoever can tell the best false promises wins).
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That's odd Jag. You and I live in the same country and have the same choices. I don't feel there is a gun to my head. If the government continues to take more of my money, then I'll have less to give to others or I can always make more to compensate (yeah capitalism!.) Either way, it's just money and there are far more important things in my life than that.

One thing I believe with absolute certainty is that I'd rather die knowing I helped improve the lives of others than knowing my pockets are full of money.

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Originally posted by Grizzle:

That's odd Jag. You and I live in the same country and have the same choices. I don't feel there is a gun to my head. If the government continues to take more of my money, then I'll have less to give to others or I can always make more to compensate (yeah capitalism!.) Either way, it's just money and there are far more important things in my life than that.

One thing I believe with absolute certainty is that I'd rather die knowing I helped improve the lives of others than knowing my pockets are full of money.

Really? so you get to CHOOSE your taxrate Grizzle?

Were you able to convince the IRS that since you are such a nice person that your tax rate should be lower then everyone elses?

Or perhaps you are somehow convinced that it's the governments money anyway, and you're just borrowing it? Is that how you feel about it?

Grizzle, you are an impossible person to understand, as long as the government steals your money, but GIVES it to the poor, you're OK with it, but if they spend it on the stuff they ARE ACTUALLY ALLOWED to spend it on, then it's wrong.

Fascinating....

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Originally posted by Grizzle:

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Originally posted by Soback:

You think US was established on principles of anarchy?


No. I'm speaking in broader terms, to a time when our ancestors evolved to a point when they realized that working together was a much better way to ensure the survival of our species. You know the old two heads are better than one theory.


Working together. Kinda like me working at producing, and them working at collecting? Or kinda like me working at producing, and them working on giving MY money to non earners?

Two heads better than one? Are they still better when one head earns food, and the other gets to eat it? Because then the other head is just a parasite that needs to be amputated.

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Originally posted by Jaguar:

Grizzle, you are an impossible person to understand, as long as the government steals your money, but GIVES it to the poor, you're OK with it, but if they spend it on the stuff they ARE ACTUALLY ALLOWED to spend it on, then it's wrong.

Fascinating....

Hey thanks Does that Fascination come with a Spock eyebrow?

Let me make myself easier to understand.

As long as I can provide for myself I'm happy. I can't fight taxes they are a necessary part of a living under a government in a civilized society.

Now I could get myself all worked up over the governments mis-spending of my taxes, but I realize it's idealistic to believe they will always spend it on things I support. You can't please all of the people all of the time, right?

Do I cringe when I see how much of my earnings go towards taxes? You betcha, but it comes with the territory. The only way I can see to guarantee my taxes are spent according to how I think they should be, is to not pay taxes and distribute them as I see fit. That'd be just more work and aggravation for me, not to mention I'd be thrown in jail.

So with the inevitability of taxes and my lack of ability to rewrite the tax code (that's what politicians are for), all I can do is trust those I elect into office do their best to adhere to their promises. When they don't, I'll vote against them, which is no guarantee they'll lose. And if they win they'll continue to spend my taxes as they see fit. What more can I do? (Hey I could run for President...nah)

So you see, all things considered, I would rather concentrate on those things that are directly within my control, such as earning enough money to cover my taxes, taking care of myself (hopefully the less fortunate as well) and voting for politicians whom I believe will act not only in my best interest, but also for the citizens of this country.

You might be surprised (then again maybe not) to find I am a very individualistic person. Everything I've accomplished in life I have done on my own, without handouts from the government. That does not however, prevent me from recognizing that not everyone has been so fortunate, for whatever reason. It certainly hasn't made me less compassionate towards them.

Do you understand me better now?

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