On a more positive note.

[Põdi]

This was forwarded to us by a freind in NC:

A new twist on the story . . . .

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By now everyone has been hearing the death toll

rise and reports of the destruction from the terrorist

attacks on the US. These were deplorable acts that we

will never forget. But now is a time to look at the

other side of the numbers coming out of New York,

Washington and Pennsylvania. The sad but somewhat

uplifting side that the mainstream media has not

reported yet - the SURVIVAL rates and some positive

news about the attacks.

*** The Buildings ***

* The World Trade Center - The twin towers of the

World Trade Center were places of employment for some

50,000 people. With the missing list of just over

5,000 people, that means 90% of the people targeted

survived the attack. A 90% on a test is an 'A'.

* The Pentagon - Some 23,000 people were the

target of a third plane aimed at the Pentagon. The

latest count shows that only 123 lost their lives.

That is an amazing 99.5% survival rate. in addition,

the plane seems tohave come in too low, too early to

affect a large portion of the building. On top of

that, the section that was hit was the first of five

sections to undergo renovations that would help

protect the Pentagon from terrorist attacks. It had

recently completed straightening and blastproofing,

saving untold lives. This attack was sad, but a

statistical failure.

*** The Planes ***

* American Airlines Flight 77 This Boeing 757

that was flown into the outside of the Pentagon could

have carried up to 289 people, yet only 64 were

aboard. Luckily 78% of the seats were empty

* American Airlines Flight 11 This Boeing 767

could have had up to 351 people aboard, but only

carried 92. Thankfully 74% of the seats were unfilled.

* United Airlines Flight 175 Another Boeing 767

that could have sat 351 people only had 65 people on

board. Fortunately it was 81% empty.

* United Airlines Flight 93 This Boeing 757 was

one of the most uplifting stories yet. The smallest

flight to be hijacked with only 45 people aboard out

of a possible 289 had 84% of its capacity unused. Yet

these people stood up to the attackers and thwarted a

fourth attempted destruction of a national landmark,

saving untold numbers of lives in the process.

*** In Summary ***

Out of potentially 74,280 Americans directly

targeted by these inept cowards, 93% survived or

avoided the attacks. That's a higher survival rate

than heart attacks, breast cancer, kidney transplants

and liver transplants - all common, survivable

illnesses.

The Hijacked planes were mostly empty, the

Pentagon was hit at it's strongest point, the

overwhelming majority of people in the World Trade

Center buildings escaped, and a handful of passengers

gave the ultimate sacrifice to save even more lives.

Don't fear these terrorists. The odds are against

them.

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Bsically, they were a bit crap.

[Guest $iLk]

Sadly, I don't believe individuals should be grouped into statistics. each person that died was part of a family, someone's husband, wife, brother, sister, daughter, son, cousing, uncle, aunt. The emotional impact alone is bad.

I don't see even if 1 person had been killed as being a success.

The terrorists will pay.

[Soback]

I see no possitive side whatsoever. You can't tell me that instead of lets say 50,000 people 10,000 people died and then it's not as bad. NOBODY should have died. So don't go around saying it's not so bad. I was listening to radio talk show and a school teacher called, she was saying that her student walked up to her and was telling her that his father (arabic by the way) was saying how it's ok that so many American lifes were lost because their families are getting money for it. Don't downplay peoples deaths in any way, you are in Switzerland so I know you don't really care, but don't come here and post that it's not as bad.

[Supreme Cmdr]

I see no positive side either. What a load of crap. One life lost to a terrorist, no matter how inept, is one life too many.

[Põdi]

Hey, wait a minute now, this was sent to me by a friend in the US. The threads were getting kind of heavy around here, so it was an attempt to try and turn things around a little. Sorry if you can't see it that way. The fact I live in Switzerland is beside the point, I nearly lost a family member in NY, the fact she was late for work probably saved her live. So don't tell me I don't f*cking care, you don't know me from Adam. Just trying to put a different slant on things, that's all.

[aramike]

quote:

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Originally posted by Paddy Gregory:

Hey, wait a minute now, this was sent to me by a friend in the US. The threads were getting kind of heavy around here, so it was an attempt to try and turn things around a little. Sorry if you can't see it that way. The fact I live in Switzerland is beside the point, I nearly lost a family member in NY, the fact she was late for work probably saved her live. So don't tell me I don't f*cking care, you don't know me from Adam. Just trying to put a different slant on things, that's all.

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You're not going to put a different "slant" on things by posting that ONLY 5000 died. That's devaluing life by putting it into a statistic.

It's akin to saying that 1 million people died but 4 billion lived.

Oh, and Soback, please refrain from jumping to conclusions. The fact that he's in Switzerland means nothing.

[ 10-22-2001: Message edited by: aramike ]

[Gallion]

hehehe...kinda of a funny way of looking at a morbid situation. Sorta like what the spinmiester would've done

TTFN

[Guest $iLk]

I'm sure he meant no offense, and as one of the major pro-violence against terrorist members here, I accept that he meant no harm.

But please understand how we feel to.

Those statistics are heartless and like I and SC have both said, even only 1 life lost is besides the point and is just as bad from a moral standpoint.

[TBone]

To paraphrase the prayer vigil the sunday after the tragedy:

"6000 thousand people did not die on September 11th. Mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, cousins, died... With numbers such as these, it is easy to regard it as offhandedly as a football or a baseball score... Understand it as this: your mother has died 6000 times. Your father has died 6000 times. Your sister, your best friend, your uncle, your aunt ... Do not chalk them up as scores on a scoreboard. That would be the greatest tragedy of them all."

Looking as hard as I can for a transcript and the actual quote ...

[Urza]

I am deeply hurt by these attacks, and putting dead people into statistics like this doen't do the damage justice. What about all the people who lost loved ones and friends? These terrorists will pay for what they've done.

[Supreme Cmdr]

quote:

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Originally posted by $iLk:

I'm sure he meant no offense,

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Nobody said he did. As for me, I was refering to the person who composed that, not Paddy.

Then again, why not shoot the messenger? Its the only way to be sure.

[Põdi]

quote:

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Originally posted by Supreme Cmdr:

Then again, why not shoot the messenger? Its the only way to be sure.

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Hey!

*Runs*