On This Date

[Wolferz]

On Feb. 27, 1991, President George H. W. Bush declared that "Kuwait is liberated, Iraq's army is defeated," and announced that the allies would suspend combat operations at midnight.

Feb. 27, 2005, U. S. and coalition troops are stationed in Iraq for an undetermined time, after defeating Iraq's army... AGAIN!

Why? Because at the time, Senior Bush knew the long range plans for Iraq and the slant drilling into Iraq's oil reserves from Kuwait could now be continued unabated. Also that the chaos created by another war in the region would drive oil prices through the roof. $$$$$$$$!

Another interesting headline in the Times;Afghans Accuse U.S. of Secret Spraying to Kill Poppies

Why?

Because the U. S. (read as Neocon drug pushers) gets its' Poppies and their derivatives from Turkey and Columbia. $$$$$$$$!

[Zane_Marlowe]

Wow, this is one for those who wear the tin foil hats, but on another note, isn't this one for the Politics/Religion threads?

[Wolferz]

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Originally posted by Zane Marlowe:

Wow, this is one for those who wear the tin foil hats, but on another note, isn't this one for the Politics/Religion threads?

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I dunno about that, Zane.

My post was more of a historical/social comment, rather than politics and religion.So I figured that this topic was best suited as general chatter.

I don't wear a tin foil hat.

Tin foil isn't made of Tin, it's made of aluminum.

My preferred hat of choice these days is made of Kevlar and it's covered with temperate climate camouflage.

I was a member of the U. S. Army reserve during the quoted date and our parent unit was sent to Kuwait for about two months.

I recieved the National Defense Ribbon for my service at the time, even though the country had not been physically attacked by any foreign power. I found this a bit odd back then, since Kuwait was/is a soveriegn country in it's own right.

But in reality it was/is a protected province of the United States Federal Government and the Neocons who were/are running it.

At any rate, before I start rambling on about the logic of world events, I will close with this.

Like Jaguar, I look at the past with an open mind and ask Who, What and Why? Then I start digging with my logic shovel.

If a mod wishes to move this thread, I have no problem with it.

But let's keep Cmdr Chavik away from the OTS Launch Button.

[Charles Lindsey]

I ain't touching nothing for a while.

[Zane_Marlowe]

Fair enough Wolferz, I'm not poking at your service, but you have to admit that it does sound a little "conspiracy theory."

The interesting thing about conspiracy theories is that most of the real ones offered (like those surrounding the Kennedy assassination for instance) are not theories that require many people to accept a different set of published facts, but they require people to connect those facts in a chain of reasoning that leads to a certain conclusion.

It's been my experience that people who say they have an open mind are in fact claiming that it's open precisely because they've rejected a prevailing notion of some sort. I'm not sure that's what I'd define as an open mind since it's one that rules out a given explanation a priori.

In the case of the "neo-cons," I'd suggest that there's a case there that needs to be made that probably ultimately won't be conclusive since there's not actual hard enough evidence to justify the conclusion that the US is being governed by the oil tycoons. But then, all the best conspiracies have that trait too.

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Originally posted by Wolferz:

...even though the country had not been physically attacked by any foreign power.... But in reality it was/is a protected province of the United States Federal Government and the Neocons who were/are running it.

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I'm assuming you mean America hadn't been attacked and Kuwait is no longer a sovereign power. I don't remember anyone arguing that we had been attacked as our casus belli. Kuwait's falling to Iraq was in our national interest and in the interests of the Kuwaitis who had been conquered by Saddam. I think that while everyone would agree that we liberated and subsequently protected Kuwait, it's not clear that we're compromising their sovereignty. At any rate, if these things are so, they're certainly counter-intuitive and require more evidence than one's own preferred method of "connecting the dots."

[Wolferz]

On March 2, 1877, Republican Rutherford B. Hayes was declared the winner of the 1876 presidential election over Democrat Samuel J. Tilden, even though Tilden had won the popular vote.

A few facts about our ninteenth president.

[*]He was a Republican.

[*]He was the first presidential candidate to be declared the winner by the newly created congressional commission for electoral vote disputes.

[*]He was a graduate of Harvard Law school.

[*]He championed civil rights for the Freedmen in the south

[*]He took his Oath of Office secretly on March 3,1877, in the Red Room of the Whitehouse.

[*]He started the Easter Egg roll for children on the Whitehouse lawn, the first Monday after Easter

[*]He was the only president to be wounded in battle, while serving in the army. In fact he was wounded four times.