Grizzle

If you two don't stop it right now, I'm turning this car around and no one gets a vacation!

Finally, after all those years of "Giving her all she's got Cap'n!"

The sections of the Appalachian Trail that I've been on (MD, WVA, PA) are not tree farms. But my gut feeling about this is that it's getting over-blown. Of course there is bound to be some impact along the trail if not only from the noise and traffic disturbing the peace and quiet of the Great Outdoors.

quote:Originally posted by War Bringer: Here is a question that really separates the libs from the conservatives, based on their answer: What is more important, the seriousness of the charge or the nature of the evidence? Liberals always seem to think that the seriousness of the charge is most important, while conservatives see the logical and correct answer, the nature of the evidence. If that were true, then we wouldn't have spent millions of dollars and 8 years trying to nail Clinton on various criminal charges only to end up entraping him on an unrelated charge involving an intern and a BJ. It wasn't the Dems getting all uptight about the "seriousness of the charges", they were the ones that realized that the whole Lewinsky thing was the end product of a failed attempt to manifest "evidence" of other criminal wrong doings. What a joke those few years were.

McCain, I would vote for in a heartbeat. Giuliani, not so sure. There's been talk of a McCain-Giuliani ticket in 2008, that'll be a tough duo to beat and could possibly sway me to vote Republican if they do. A lot depends on what happens over the next four years though. P.S. Did I miss the DNC highlights thread or something?

quote:Originally posted by Shingen: Alice is da man!..and he's dead right. Edit: Alice is da man!..and he's dead, right? quote: With the price of concert tickets these days ($30 and up), and the length of concerts these days (most are 90 mins to 2 hours tops), I know I'd be one mad SOB if I paid good money to see an artist perform, only to be suckered into a freakin Democratic/Anti-Bush whine-fest! Erm...it's not like the people don't know what the whole concert is about anyway. Anyone who goes and is surprised to hear political rhetoric belongs in the same category as Alice Cooper. Save your ticket money for their regular concert tours and if they present their political views then, and you feel strongly that it's not the proper venue, leave. Live and learn.

Ummm....Alice Cooper? ROFL Let me get this straight, we have a dried up rock 'n roll star entering the political arena to speak out against rock 'n roll stars speaking out in the political arena. At least he's right about one thing, he's a moron.

Speaks more negatively towards our voting system than it does towards any one particular party. New York and Florida?...no wonder 68% were Dems.

All this effort to reconstruct an obscure event that happened over thirty years ago for what? To prove that a guy who voluntarily enlisted during the Viet Nam war is unfit to lead our country? Does one event like this really make the man? As for Kerry's boat being so far downriver in the above illustration. I guess it's position depends on who's drawing it since the only description of the distance Kerry travelled after losing Rassmann is "further downstream", which could be 10 yards, 50 yards or 100 yards. Who knows. I'm just amazed that so much emphasis is placed on such an irrelevant piece of information.

quote:Originally posted by nomad: ...we saw how war is waged, ppl die, & only the surface of things change, not their nature, nor the mechanisms who lead to war for futile reasons or manipulations of all kind. So true, but to the war mongers it doesn't matter. To those that believe war is inevitable, I say as long as you continue to believe that, it will be. A bit idealistic perhaps, but nothing ever changes when you're content to maintain the status quo. War should always be the absolute last resort as Tak and Street have mentioned so many times.

I was a big Furs fan back in the day. I'm surprised to see they are still together AND touring! Am I really getting that old?...

quote:Originally posted by Jaguar: I know and have contact with people within Iraq itself, within our intelligence community, and international news sources that have things to say, that you really don't want to hear. Senators and congresscritters? Come on, can we get a grip here as well. All they care about is getting reelected, they are going to tell you EXACTLY what you want to hear in order that you vate them back into office. I trust Senators and congresscritters as far as I can throw them. because most are A: dishonest B:immoral and C: only care about the next election cycle. So, again, oh Puhlease, get a grip. And again, get that tape off to the media, because they can't seem to find it..... As opposed to the military who always operates on the principal of honesty and forthrightness? It's a romantic thought, but far far from the ultimate truth. There isn't a more well oiled propaganda machine that exists that can out do any given countries military. You speak as if the military has no interest in seeing itself succeed and expand (ie "get re-elected"). If the last years events are any indication of the level of competence and truth in our intelligence and military communities then we'd all be well advised to take anything they say with a grain of salt. That includes your "inside sources" Jag. No disrespect to the hard working, valiant enlisted men and women, past or present, intended.

Connections? Yes, even WE had connections to Hussein, and Bin Laden at times. What we need to consider is the level of collusion and cooperation. My guess is that one could write an equally lengthy book as Steven Hayes, detailing the level of interaction between the US and any terrorist, dictatorial or despotic regime of choice. Take your pick of any of histories world conflicts and you're sure to find our fingers in the pie. Regardless, this issue does nothing to change the fact that many consider the attack on Iraq to be unnecessary, ill-timed and poorly thought out by this administration. On one hand I can fully understand and accept the need to address international terrorism, on the other I feel that the administration took advantage of the fear and anger of the American people as an opportunity to invade Iraq. As we've seen the level of evidence debunked, questioned and eroded over the last year I think this should be obvious to everyone. Was Bush totally wrong about attacking Iraq? Not in my opinion, but he was so much farther from being totally right. And it was most definitely not handled with the level of diplomacy, consideration and expertise we should expect from our government. One can only hope that Iraq does survive and becomes a new democracy to set an example for the Arab world. Unfortunately, the powers that be failed miserably by overestimating the appetite for democracy in the first place. It may well be that we made a mountain out of a mole hill and will be paying the price for a long time to come.

quote:Originally posted by Shingen: Would you guys please register in the database. I almost have the Terran/Raider site ready to go up. Thanks. edit...NM...I found it From what I can gather, it appears that folks wishing to MP will have to join a fleet to help keep things organized. Is there any more info on whats going to happen and what sort of requirements there will be? I'm hoping the raider fleet will be very loose in terms of time commitment since if I was able to do something like that I would have joined another fleet already. [ 06-17-2004, 08:27 PM: Message edited by: Grizzle ]

I guess that would make me a Terran Raider.

Thanks for the heads up Marvin. I actually logged back on after that last post just to see if anyone was out there. Jamotto was on and we had some fun hunting each other, but the cloak issue prevented him from seeing me for the only kill I got against him. I guess I'll stop cloaking until it's fixed. It was late, I needed sleep and my ship was heavily damaged and slowly self destructing from a radiation leak and other systems damage. I reached evacuation status and had to bail out because my ship was definitely going to explode. Never one to turn from a fight, I watched as my ship drifted away, waited until Jamotto exited hyperspace then proceeded to take him on with my laser rifle. It was pretty fun but needless to say, a lone commander in a space suit is no match for a Nightstar. I think he fired a missile or two at me, but it was the laser fire that finished me off.

Politics as usual. I don't think anyone can honestly state that this is still a country governed of, for and by the people. That stopped a LONG time ago.

Was on for a while again last night. Saw some of the well-knowns around these parts and had a good time. I would have stayed on longer but I had to leave after about 2 hours. I'd like to be on with a few more people to get the action stirred up and really take a stab at coordinated battles. We did manage to have 3 of us planetside for a while, that was cool, but it was just sightseeing. I got to see Khan face to face (so to speak.) I guess my only complaint at this time would be seeing an enemy player but not having them engaged in the game. Capt (or Commander) Kool was on for a long time trying out things and testing the ropes and I was itching to take him down, but decided that was poor sportsmanship. Is there some code of conduct for engaging or should we feel free to open up on anyone of an opposing team? I don't want to ruin someones game if they are just learning the ropes, but at the same time I don't want to float around waiting for folks to do battle with. I'm sure if I joined a Fleet I'd see more coordinated gameplay, but I don't think I can commit the time to do such a thing. In any event, great work SC, when all the MP stuff is ironed out it's gonna rock even more!

I was equally surprised to see you jump on SC And yes Kryton was hilarious. Anyway, I see lots of potential for some real fun here. It ran very smoothly for me until things seemed to go out of sync. I think it started in Rovarix when SC disconnected and I cloaked since it was hostile territory (thought he lured me there and abandoned me to the enemy.) After that I must have been invisible to everyone even after I turned cloak off. I got booted when I went to Logistix to shut down power to the cloak to see if that would help (clicked logoff got CTD). I also disconnected and reconnected a few times to try and reset it, but it seemed I was still playing "behind the curve" from what other players were seeing and experiencing. You'll probably see me around more often, but I may have to go Insurgent so I can teach you guys a lesson or two.

quote:Originally posted by Cmdr Chavik: Does anyone think the man has a snowball's chance in hades of ever picking someone up when they find out (and they will) that he's the one that killed Ladie's Night? /snickers I'm willing to bet it was his lack of ability to pick women up on ANY night that caused him to raise this issue in the first place.

Me sees a new use for SMS messaging... Imagine developing an interface that will not only alert you to things happening on your ship, but allow you to respond with orders, all through your cell phone or pager. You could run to the grocery store and still maintain contact with your ship!

quote:Originally posted by Jaguar: And again, you are wrong, it has been rather successful, astoundingly so as a matter of fact. But, you don't hear about that in the press, and for good reason. The other weaponry that has been spun off of the missile defense program is INCREDIBLE, and the system itself, well, let's just say that you are clueless as to how effective it really is. And BTW, being clueless on this is NOT a bad thing, it is just a fact of your life as a civilian without a need to know. Guess I'll just have to take your word for it on that one.

quote:Originally posted by Jaguar: quote:Originally posted by Grizzle: Agreed, the long range capability did come from the Clinton era as a result of bad policies. I'm not trying to split hairs, just show that the truth is never so one sided. Reagan's poor policies of opening up our secrets for corporate profit in the commercial sector were just as responsible. WRONG!! Reagan only released that technology that could be safely allowed into the commercial sector, that which was older then the technology that our military was at that time using. Clinton released MODERN technology to the chinese, that technology that we were NOW using. There is a HUGE difference. One is responsible, use some of the old military R&D for profits in the private sector, and one is irresponsible. Give the enemy MODERN technology so that they can threaten us. During the Reagan administration, the Soviets were using old Atari cartridges in their military machinery and computer systems, and were doing their best to create computers on par with our own. NONE of the technology that Reagan released to the private sector could have helped them achieve that goal. The Chinese were doing their best to create a missile system like ours, and were FAILING miserable, but for a few Bucks, CLINTON released MODERN technology to the Chinese, so that they could catch up. Which was responsible, and which was irresponisble and TRAITOROUS?!! I've no idea exactly what technology was transferred by Reagan's administration, but I do know that he promoted policies to assist with the modernization of China's nuclear technology among others. He also called for the sharing of information between our top nuclear scientists and theirs and opened the doors to the Los Alamos labs as part of that agreement. One could argue that China's rapid development of nuclear capability during the 80's and their surprising change of stance from resisting a nuclear non-proliferation treaty to agreeing to it, is a direct result of such actions. Need I mention China's role as the middle man and delivery agent in the Iran-Contra scandal? Reagan may have had all the best intentions, but it would be foolish to claim that his actions maintained complete security of our most sensitive military secrets. My guess is that he felt any harm done by his open policies would be rendered moot by his missile defense program, which as we all know has been a total failure. I reserve harsh terms like treason and traitor for those actually guilty of such. And I find it hard to fault Clinton for continuing policies that began during Nixon's reign and were supported or expanded upon by all subsequent administrations. If one of them is guilty, they all are, but it's a stretch to even infer that any of them made any of their decisions with the intent of doing harm to our country.

CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, NBC have covered the new memorial ALL WEEK. Though, unlike Fox, they realize there is more to the news than "All America All the Time". There is PLENTY of memorial day coverage on all the networks. It's a day of remembrance and each network is running stories along those lines. Do we need to nitpick so much? You guys will jump at anything to further belittle anyone or anything that isn't bleeding red white and blue. Let it rest.

quote:Originally posted by Steve Schacher: It's not China's nuclear science ability, it's its capability to launch them on missiles that were the legacy of the Clinton administration. That's what the Loral missile technology scandal was all about, moving the authorization of technology transfer from Defense to Commerce However, on the nuclear science front, that is also what the nuclear labs scandal was about, including how Energy Secretary Hazel O'Leary reduced the lab security requirements (eliminating IDs that indicated citizens from foreigners under the guise of Political Correctness), halved the security contracting force (boosting profits for the security contractor), allowed foreign scientists to roam uncontrolled through the labs, and then resigned from the Energy Department to take a Board position at the security company whose profits she boosted. Agreed, the long range capability did come from the Clinton era as a result of bad policies. I'm not trying to split hairs, just show that the truth is never so one sided. Reagan's poor policies of opening up our secrets for corporate profit in the commercial sector were just as responsible.