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quote:Originally posted by echo: Thanks! You're welcome. Also, just in case always virus scan files before doing anything with them just to be extra safe. That's what I do.

Looks pretty much like Emule. Any filesharing program is only as good as how many other people are using it. I've didn't know about Ares until your post but Emule is pretty good. The only problem with any of these programs is the waiting in line referred to as a queue. You could spend hours just waiting for the file to begin. If you are referring to viruses, emule is excellent with the source material in that area. Kazaa was the the worst.

quote:Originally posted by echo: Lost, Does that mean you don't want to come over? Hah, I was waiting for your post.

quote:Originally posted by Supreme Cmdr: I did say that ALL the characters played their part very well. That of course includes Spacey. He was perfect for the part. The only reaason I was asking is because I've seen bits and pieces that he plays a darker lex luther this time around. I just wanted to get a feel on how dark he does play him. Is he really nasty in this one? I hope so.

quote:Originally posted by Supreme Cmdr: Lets not even go into the plot holes you could drive a train through. e.g. Clark and Superman disappear at the same time and returned at the same time. Yet, nobody seemed to notice, nor make the connection. Plus, I never got that whole thing about Clark and Superman looking exactly alike, yet, nobody connects the dots. Who knew that a pair of goofy glasses could totally hide someone's facial features? Oh yeah, he has a child. Thats so preposterous its not even funny. How is it even remotely possible for him to even conceive? What about genetics? This is the guy who can't feel bullets fer crissakes. This is a guy who - for all intent and purposes - is an alien. Its like mating a dog and a horse. In fact, I'm only giving it a 7 because Brandon Routh convinced me that he was in fact fit to play the part of Superman. 7/10 Ugh, why do they always have to mess up on the plot. I mean come on guys this is not rocket science. They need to hire superhero teen fans to write these stories. I'll tell you, these teens know the characters inside and out. Anyway, that aside, you could also pick on the fact it is also quite preposterous for an alien species to be even remotely be human. Maybe it will turn out that we are an early colonized planet by very early kryptonians but where as the home world evolved and moved on the kryptonians that colonized earth regressed and remained stagnant and is now only slowly going back on the right track. That could explain a lot in the entire relationship with earth and krypton. Anyway, you didn't mention anything about Kevin Spacey as Lex Luthor. Any word about it?

quote:Originally posted by aramike: I don't get it, then. I mean, the data on smoking is VERY conclusive. I agree that second-hand smoke is still not proven one way or the other (although, practically-speaking I know its not GOOD for you...), but I don't know HOW someone could think that smoking does NOT cause illnesses such as cancer. I think I've made such research clear in my earlier post. As for leaving the city, good thing you don't. Perhaps you can talk some sense into the politicians there. Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that it isn't dangerous. What I'm arguing is that it isn't dangerous to everyone. The government is going around saying and or insinuating that anyone who smokes is going to get cancer. Well, the public adverts here in NY are doing that. Poppycock! It's their wording and insinuations I'm fighting. Let me give you an example on another issue: Like fatty foods. I eat a lot of junk as well as good meals. My cholesterol is fine, my heart is in excellent medical condition and so is my blood pressure and I still weigh between 165 and 175 since it fluctuates. Now, the lovely fries I like to eat are being downsized and given different oil (changing the flavor) because some people get fat. Why should I be made to suffer because of these other people. As for the politicians. I've tried believe me but it's a losing cause. These politicians are brain dead literally.

quote:Originally posted by aramike: [ Do me a favor: spend an hour or two researching the data developed about smoking and second-hand smoke, and do it wiht a completely neutral and open mind. You may find a different "truth". Even if you do, though, don't back down from the basis of what you believe, because you're right: let the people decide. Trust me I do. I'm not just attacking this because I'm a smoker. I do this with everything I argue. I try to take the middle road from all the extremists. BTW: About NYC. Tell me about it. But I refuse to let anyone chase me from the city I grew up in and love no matter how tempted I am to pack it in and move to some back water canadian tundra where no one will bother me.

quote:Originally posted by Jaguar: THis is a propaganda campaign, nothing more, just like the junk science of global warming is caused by man.Not to throw this thread off kilter but I bet you've some choice words over that Al Gore global warming movie. I know I do.

quote:Originally posted by aramike: Actually, I don't mind at all being around smoke. I spend a lot of time in casinos playing poker, and it's never gotten to me. My position is based upon facts and my belief in small government. I've only been smoking five years now. Long story. Before that, same thing, I've never had a problem with smokers or smoke being around me. I miss the smoke filled bar days now. It's to antiseptic. I also don't smoke just anywhere. Not because the goverment said so but because I find it socially respectful to do so and don't need the government telling me what to do in my private life. I live alone but I only smoke in my bathroom (not it's not a reliving some high school days I didn't smoke then either ) and whenever I'm was out at a restaurant or someones house, I always went outside long before NYC passed their complete and total no smoking in restaurants crap.

quote:Originally posted by Prez: The funny thing is, I'm an ex-smoker, and my sensitivity to 2nd hand smoke is 50 times greater now than it ever was before I smoked. It stinks, but it can't hurt you. I have stated that ex smokers are the worse. Probably seeing people smoking when they use to as well and not to mention the aroma of it. The temptation to break down and light one up must be great. I've seem a few ex smokers get crazed when another smoker gets near them. I say those are the ones behind all this.

quote:Originally posted by aramike: I can't find ANYTHING that happened to another celebrity that quite resembles what's happened to Rush. That's because he's attacked the media too. It's called payback.

quote:Originally posted by aramike: 1: Who's talking about belief now? 2: Anyway, my only real qualm with what you said was that FIRST HAND smoke hasn't been proven dangerous. That is manifestly false. 3: As for second-hand smoke, need more data. 4: Please show evidence of this. 5: You're the one the brought up the WHO. As for the stats, I tracked them down and linked them for you. They show you to be wrong with regards to Greece. 6: I agree: tabacco isn't on the same level as mind-altering drugs and some people need to lay off the scare tactics. 7: Mark Twain lived in an era when dying of smoking-related illnesses was called "natural causes". Sure, some people smoked well into their 80s and 90s - they're from the deep end of the gene pool. Hell, even Ebola isn't 100% fatal. But, we know now that many people who then died in their late 30s, or 40s, or 50s of "natural causes" were actually victims of lung cancer, coronary diseases, emphysema, etc. It would be absurd to believe that medically and scientifically we haven't at all advanced our knowledge of the human body over the last 65-70 years. 1: Yeah, I threw that word in there deliberately. 2: Okay, hmm, I mean't to keep this on a stricktly second hand smoke slant. Anyway, I'll elaborate on the first hand smoke dangers which depends on the individual. It all comes down to genetics. How else would you explain the untold numbers of people that have smoked all their life and not a lick of cancer. Much like your skydiving analogy. There's no telling who's chute is going to open up or not. That's the chance you take like everything else in life. But for them categorically sit there and say everyone will get cancer from tobacco, that's just plain wrong and misleading. Ah, I just noticed you covered the gene business in the mark twain response. 3: Indeed, there needs to be more research and by numerous multiple sources too so we can all compare the findings ourselves. 4: I already gave you one. The WHO. As for others, don't worry I'm working on it and gathering all the stuff I need. Oh yeah and also the EPA in the Penn and Teller episode. That makes two. 5: Yes I did indeed bring up the WHO only to show the two faced side of this organization. However, I didn't mean I laugh that you mentioned them but that you gave links to the so called dubious information. I say dubious because they've lied once they'd lie again. Refer to my previous statements about that. Unless we can get inside information that is leaked, like the second hand smoke memo that was leaked previously, I'm calling them out. But I'm pretty sure they've sealed off any future leak sources. 6: I still say it applies to today as well. Even though genetics was not widely known in those days, he did hit the nail on the head with statistics and how they are used and or interpreted. As for the cancer deaths of that period, you'd have to demostrate to me what occupation these people worked, where they resided what other contaminates they could have come in contact with and show other opposing case histories for other occupants of the same area. You'd also have to find out did these people live in that location or did they move there ect... Well you get my point. Again, to sit there and categoricaly state that these people should now be listed as smoking related deaths is wrong. We just don't know. In fact, the nannies are doing that to this day. Even if you lived well into your 90's and smoked and passed away of natural causes, they have taken it upon themselves to list these deaths as smoking related to help bolster their stats. You know, I gotta do a search of my old threads on this. I'm sure I had links in them to support my comments. Yeah, this isn't the first time I've gone through this. But I think we can agree on a few points, that the government shouldn't be in the business of vilifying a segment of the population or trying to control them based on very dubious scientific studies. Trust me, I'd be the first one to agree with everyone on this issue if there was fool proof evidence. However, all the government has done is fear monger (as usual) based on garbage as I far as I see it and using said garbage to discriminate and charge extortion taxes. Oh yeah, and to those that sued the tobacco industry for their ills and won should all be overturned and the money given back. I was going to say, should be taken out and shot. But we don't want violence do we .

aramike, yes we are on the same page with this dicussion but I take a different slant on all the stastical information you talk about it. I have no faith in it at all. Organiazations and professionals have slanted and lied on public releases about the facts to suit their agenda. They've lie to everyone once and everything else after we shouldn't believe. If you haven't done so, I suggest you hunt down an episode of Penn&Teller's Bullshit: Second Hand Smoke. You'll see what I mean. Here's a very small preview: Second Hand Smoke Penn and Teller. I have the full clip floating around here somewhere and when I find it I'll convert it into a flash movie (I looked on youtube and this episode is not there) and I'll make it available. As for the WHO. Don't make me laugh. In that Penn and Teller episode you will find that an in house memo about the findings on second hand found no statistical evidence. However, in their public release flyer they said there was a connection. I'll have to track down that information about greece but I won't hold my breath that I'll find it. Funny though, this issue just won't go away. I was channel hopping last night and came across a pbs show Tavis Smiley. I've watched it before, from time to time, when I've seen something that was interesting to listen to. The guest last night was Joseph Califano (Former Health, Education and Welfare Secretary Joseph Califano discusses Medicare and Medicaid.) Here's the link to it: Tavis Smiley. Most of his conversation was good but towards the end he I was cringing and wanted to slap him. To bad we don't have interactive TV yet . Anyway his comment was about the woes of our society specifically mentioned by Mr. Joseph Califano. He started by saying Addiction is main woe of our country. Drugs and the violence it brings. He even said, "and even tobaco". What? throwing Toaco in with drugs and violent crime!? This is the sort of crap I'm fighting against. The wording. He even stated, with a straight face mind you, that if we can can cure people of their addictions they can go along their merry way and live a long and healthy live. I still say Mark Twain said it the best: quote: I don't want any of your statistics; I took your whole batch and lit my pipe with it. I hate your kind of people. You are always ciphering out how much a man's health is injured, and how much his intellect is impaired, and how many pitiful dollars and cents he wastes in the course of ninety-two years' indulgence in the fatal practice of smoking; and in the equally fatal practice of drinking coffee; and in playing billiards occasionally; and in taking a glass of wine at dinner, etc. etc. And you are always figuring out how many women have been burned to death because of the dangerous fashion of wearing expansive hoops, etc. etc. You never see more than one side of the question. You are blind to the fact that most old men in America smoke and drink coffee, although, according to your theory, they ought to have died young; and that hearty old Englishmen drink wine and survive it, and portly old Dutchmen both drink and smoke freely, and yet grow older and fatter all the time. And you never try to find out how much solid comfort, relaxation, and enjoyment a man derives from smoking in the course of a lifetime (which is worth ten times the money he would save by letting it alone), nor the appalling aggregate of happiness lost in a lifetime by your kind of people from not smoking. Of course you can save money by denying yourself all those little vicious enjoyments for fifty years; but then what can you do with it? What use can you put it to? Money can't save your infinitesimal soul. All the use that money can be put to is to purchase comfort and enjoyment in this life; therefore, as you are an enemy to comfort and enjoyment where is the use of accumulating cash? It won't do for you to say that you can use it to better purpose in furnishing a good table, and in charities, and in supporting tract societies, because you know yourself that you people who have no petty vices are never known to give away a cent, and that you stint yourselves so in the matter of food that you are always feeble and hungry. And you never dare to laugh in the daytime for fear some poor wretch, seeing you in a good humor, will try to borrow a dollar of you; and in church you are always down on your knees, with your ears buried in the cushion, when the contribution-box comes around; and you never give the revenue officers a full statement of your income. Now you know all these things yourself, don't you? Very well, then, what is the use of your stringing out your miserable lives to a lean and withered old age? What is the use of your saving money that is so utterly worthless to you? In a word, why don't you go off somewhere and die, and not be always trying to seduce people into becoming as ornery and unlovable as you are yourselves, by your villainous "moral statistics"? Now, I don't approve of dissipation, and I don't indulge in it either; but I haven't a particle of confidence in a man who has no redeeming petty vices. And so I don't want to hear from you any more. I think you are the very same man who read me a long lecture last week about the degrading vice of smoking cigars, and then came back, in my absence, with your reprehensible fire-proof gloves on, and carried off my beautiful parlor stove.

Welcome back. Well, we did warn you.

quote:Originally posted by Prez: Reason number 6798 why I steer clear of MySpace. Or any women from the internete.

Omg, that's it. Just saw a commercial on UPN9 for an upcomming news segment. Second hand smoke and how really fast it can affect your health. This is really begining to piss me off.

quote:Originally posted by Prez: Many Mexicans coming to this country by and large have a trait that is becoming extinct in America - a work ethic. They are willing to do the jobs the lazy Americans view as beneath them, because they have a FAR better deal sitting at home on their lazy a$$es collecting welfare. While I think that some of that statement is true, I think it's mostly because of the low wages these jobs offer. Rightly so, why should American born citizens keep working for a slave wage especially in a location that is expensive to live. Where the mexicans come from they are use to nothing. Coming here it's like a step up to being wealthy in comparison. To give you an example, a story ran in either the NY post or the NY Daily News don't remember which one just this past monday and it was either the Hamptons or New Hampshire. I have to find that article. I went to their web site and can't seem to find the online version of it. Anyway, wherever it was, they are crying because they can't find workers. You want to know why? Because the people that would be working those jobs for the low wages couldn't afford to live there and the wages are too low to pay for commuting to the job. There ya have it.

quote:Originally posted by aramike: 1: I believe that second-hand smoke is harmful. It just makes sense. Therefore, entering a "smoking allowed" building may involve some risk ... ... as does driving a car, flying on an airplane, crossing the street, swimming, cliff-climbing, bungie-jumping, skydiving, etc, etc, etc. 2: I do disagree with you, however: quote:there is no way in hell they can definitively prove this about second hand smoke or even first hand smoke without isolating other enviornmental exposures.Yes there is. Whenever you try to find a disease's cause, you look for commonalities in the people who get it. If, for say, smokers have a 700% greater chance of lung cancer than non-smokers, its safe to say that smoking causes lung cancer. That being said, I feel the government should let US choose what risks we want to take. 1: A belief in something is no proof tjat it exists. Hmmm, sounds like an argument on another issue. But lets not stray down the belief path. 2: There is no way that they can isolate non smokers exposed to second hand to determine if they would have come down with cancer anyway. Funny, NY had advert on a bus stating that lung cancer and asthma was on the rise (non smokers) but smoking was on the decrease. Meanwhile, just this past sunday they were crying about that 100 million dollars in taxes are lost from cigarettes sales due to online buying. Well what is it? Do you want people to stop smoking completely and then what will happen to that wind fall tax. Don't let them blow smoke in your face about what this really all about. It's all about control and taxes. Nothing more and nothing less. Anyway, from what I understand and read that greece, which had/has a heavy smoking population before they followed the nannies, had the lowest cancer rate of any european country or the U.S. I'll try to find it again but I think by now it's probably been buried and hidden. Even the WHO knew this fact before they jumped on the nannie bandwagon. With that being said, I wonder what the politicians in washington are going to do with their smoking rooms after this surgeon general's report. I'll give you one good example, Bloomberg is an ex smoker and there is nothing worse than an ex smoker. He had some big event in a hotel. Guess what? People were smoking cigars. It made the local news here and there was an uproar. Of course, Bloomnberg the politician, lies and claims he didn't notice anyone smoking. Yup, he played dumb for his pals. This whole thing is basically "do as I say not as I do".

We all know the rancor that Limbaugh throws at the government. This, I'm pretty sure, has made him a target with a big red circle on his forehead. WEST PALM BEACH, Florida (AP) -- Rush Limbaugh could see a deal with prosecutors in a long-running prescription fraud case collapse after authorities found a bottle of Viagra in his bag at Palm Beach International Airport. The prescription was not in his name. quote: Limbaugh's doctor had prescribed the Viagra, but it was "labeled as being issued to the physician rather than Mr. Limbaugh for privacy purposes," Roy Black, Limbaugh's attorney, said in a statement.I hope Rush Limbaugh kicks their butts for this. How humiliating. All this over viagra and now the whole world knows. So much for medical privacy.

Surgeon general: No safe level of secondhand smoke WASHINGTON (AP) -- Separate smoking sections don't cut it: Only smoke-free buildings and public places truly protect nonsmokers from the hazards of breathing in other people's tobacco smoke, says a long-awaited surgeon general's report. What are we do to with this out of control government of ours. I like how the media always use the most visually disgusting images of smokers and not only that have you noticed it's always cigarette smokers and not cigar smokers that are portrayed in this manner. quote: "There is no longer a scientific controversy that secondhand smoke is a killer," he said. The report "eliminates any excuse from any state or city for taking halfway measures to restrict smoking, or permitting smoking in any indoor workplace."Again, that is all bs. They can kick and scream their message all they want, there is no way in hell they can definitively prove this about second hand smoke or even first hand smoke without isolating other enviornmental exposures. There is and has been a public service campaign here in NY about smoking. The latest ones I've been seeing is about kids and second smoke. Towards the end it states that second hand smoke can aggrivate asthma nothing about causing it.

Funny, the more I see fox coming out with their articles, CNN seems bent of ignoring it and posting their own take on what's going on. That first thread and link to fox about the Mustard and sarrin gas this is CNN's reply to that story: WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- A former CIA officer says he made repeated efforts to alert top agency officials to problems with an Iraqi defector's claims about the country's mobile biological weapons labs but he was ignored, the Washington Post reported Sunday. So far, not even a word about the fox article and you know how the news media is on jumping on other stories.

quote:Originally posted by Wolferz: Update: The little berg that roared has gained national attention and even the state lawmakers have jumped on the bandwagon with similar bills. (select an open letter) in the list on the left. Pretty soon all of the illegal immigrants who have been the beneficiaries of what amounts to a free ride, will be taking thier asses somewhere other than Pa. Preferably the country of origin. The illegals have pushed the folks around here until we had our backs against the wall. Now we're coming out fighting. That's the way this is going to have to be done. The local governments taking this bull by the horns and to stop relying on the lame duck federal government without a backbone to it's name. It's good to see that people are finally standing up and getting disgusted over this entire issue and it has nothing to do with discrimination. In fact, it's becoming reverse discrimination against english speaking residents. To give you another example of what I mean by reverse discrinmination, two weeks ago a patient came in to make an appointment didn't speak a lick of english looked like he just stepped off the boat from the dominican republic and had medicaid which means this person was more than likely on welfare which he never put a lick of dime towards it and is probably working a job off the books like most of them do. He started to get verbal towards to front girl who is bilingual. Seems he wanted an afternoon/evening appointment which is what leads me to believe that he is in fact working. The problem with this is that our office only hires bilingual workers for morning patients only up until 2 p.m. The they are on their own with a translating service. This didn't sit well with him and he spouted that this is discrimination and that we should hire a spanish speaking person full time. What a cracker! This guy gets off the boats takes our handouts without putting anything towards it and expect us to speak his lingo. This has got to stop. Enough is enough already. This isn't the first time this has happened too. It's happened quite a few times and it's been increasing. It's getting to the point where if you don't speak spanish, you can't find work. On other words, they just might as well put a sign up: Non-Bilingual need not apply. Where have we seen that before. You also wouldn't believe the amount of spanish patients that come in and have families and all have different names. What do I mean by this. The father has his name the mother has her own name and the kids usualy have taken the mother's last name. I wonder what's going on with that? I have a theory. The wife applies for welfare and says the father is nowhere to be found and get's the welfare for the entire family. Meanwhile, back at the homefront, they are living as one happy family father and all and the father is more than likely working as cab driver off the books and their teenage children are out selling drugs for even more money (I have first hand knowlege of this and am not just pulling this out of my butt). What a wind fall. Any of you American born citizens try that and you'd probably be nicked faster than you can say "aye corrumba". I'm pretty sure it's easy for them to get away with this because of the spanish working insiders. I live in New York. New York City to be precise and I don't see this being fixed here anytime soon here since you all know this state is the haven of liberal democrats and what a mess they have made of it too. I was just watching a program on PBS titled Inside Albany and they were crying about the welfare expenses and reform. Well hello dummies it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this one out. Here's what you do: 1: Stop giving the welfare to people right off the boat or over the boarder. 2: You have to be living here, speak english, legally documented and have paid taxes for the last twenty years or more to even qualify for welfare. 3: All government applications in english only (just like in the above article). 4: Go back to what welfare was suppose to be intended for: U.S. citizens, who've paid into it and speak english and have fallen on hard times and who need it as a cushion until they can get back on their feet. The same applies for Social Security. 5: Make it illegal to advertise in any language other than english in NY. (you don't know how many times I walked into a subway car and all the adverts that you get to read on your trip to wherever it is you are going is in spanish). 6: Do away with ESL in the public school system. This is pretty much what rush limbaugh ranted about too. This is what should be done on the federal level but since they don't have the backbone it's going to be the locals that take care of their front and back yards. I would also love to see that SAP garbage taken away too. SAP also costs money and if you don't think that cost is passed onto the consumer, you are deluding yourselves.

If you go into history: 13:42, 20 April 2006 211.30.79.13 (→Bill Huffman) Article History Why is that name Bill Huffman so familiar? Wasn't that the stalker guy?

Check For Yourself here. Here's the News about it here. Of course this is not a permanent shut down but one in which youtube is probably deleting any offending homemade videos with copywrited music in it.

Woman's ID Stolen by Dozens of Suspected Illegals quote: DUBLIN, California (June 17) - One woman's Social Security identification number has been used by at least 81 people in 17 states. Though impossible to verify in every case, information gleaned from criminal investigations, tax documents and other sources suggest most of the users were probably illegal immigrants trying to get work.Yep, they are here merely to earn an honest living. What's that word I'm thinking of..... Hmmmmmm..... Oh yeah.......... BS!!! I'm sure she's isn't and won't be the only one to have to go through this.