Charles Lindsey

This thread has been ignored for far too long. <RP> Please do take care of Earth for us. We shall want her salvagable when we get her back. Do not beleive the Gammulans are our friends. We shall fight them as hard as anyone will. But when all is said and done we want Earth back for the people of Earth. ------------------ Commander Chavik ICV Phoenix "We Shall Arise From The Ashes"

<RP> ON Khir'san I'm surprised you didn't catch Wolf's rearrangement of history. Yes the UFN did declare the Insurgents outlaws and yes there were Skirmishes between Earthcom and the Insurgents that had loss of life. But these were separated by hundreds of years. quote:What government do you know of wouldn't outlaw an organization that threaten the public safety as well as officials of the government? And what government wouldn't try to cover up an act of terrorism committed by it's own miltary arm? An operation gone sour. This is history taken entirely out of context and twisted to serve your own needs. Do I have to finish the rest of the paragraph for you? Talk about conveniently forgetting things. quote:There were rumors of brutality, manipulation, kidnapping and blackmail by EARTHCOM operatives on Earth and on the evolving Martian and Lunar colonies. followed by the official statement that the Insurgents were ruthless and out for political gain. The same rumors coming from two different colonies at exactly the same time? Coincidence or UFN cover-up? Peaceful negotiations were lost in the past. Once we were simple dissidents. Or rather our Ancestors were. We did try to work peacefully into the systems. But by calling it infiltration a shadow was cast on our political movement. We did have representatives in government but were plainly ousted. And how did we get into government if we were not elected? Once a force that would shortly have started working for Earth we were thrown out by those in power. And now it is and has been war for quite a while. You call us dishonorable. We were acted upon dishonorably. By UFN specifically and by Earthcom as their agents. A government in power uses it's military force to oust an opposing party. What exactly is that called? I'm at a loss here. Please help. A democracy? No, that's not it. Commander Tringad, you played a good gambit but you lost. Infiltrating our organization and trying to gain power. To what end? Disband us? Does this not sound a little too familiar? The tables have turned it seems and now Galcom is resorting to the same terrorist tactics that we have been accused of for so long. And why did you do it? For honor the protection of Earth? I will be watching you. Through a missile cam. Commander Chavik ICV Phoenix <RP> OFF Alun a Locke VS. Wolf thread would be good. LOL. Really, it's been great fun. (Insert standard apology "It's Only Roleplay" here) <G> Fun for all. [This message has been edited by Charles Lindsey (edited 12-02-98).]

{RP} ON (Almost forgot these, did for a while} Commander Wolf, You ask why we are fighting. That has been explained before. You also ask why we continue. That has also been explained. But let's see. You now say Earth's minerals are mined offworld. Fair enough. We know this. Space and it's heavenly bodies are rich in resources. What commander hasn't put down a mining drone or two on an out of the way moon or planet too mine the richness? To keep himself going when he is far from home? None. But if those resources are mined using Earth's equipment and Earth's people and Earth's time do they not then belong to Earth? We (Rather Earth since we no longer live there) are now capable of mining an entire solar system. Space travel is convenient if a touch expensive. All these points I concede to you. Yet the ozone layer is only a symptom. A symptom of a much bigger problem. One the UFN still denies and does nothing about. But those are not the only problems. Earthcom's crimes go back hundreds of years. As do the UFN's. 35 years ago we were declared outlaws for all our previous actions. Last I heard we were still outlaws. That alone is worth fighting for. Outlawed because we were proving the UFN incorrect in it's actions and policies. Outlawed because our ancestors bucked the status quo and wanted to change things. You are asking what we are fighting for. Those points I mentioned are exactly what we are fighting for. The crimes against Earth, the crimes against us, and the crimes against humanity. So Earthcom has changed? We will have to see. Maybe things are getting better but they are not fixed yet. Do not pretend that a few token actions will prove everything is fine. But I don't see that the UFN has changed one bit. Should we be offered amnesty we would have to think about it. But it would take an official offer from the UFN itself. An offer to participate in government. Not take it over; just participate. The UFN will certainly not want to disband Earthcom but major changes would have to take place. Wars are fought over land, religion, or rights. Our rights have been crushed and you wonder why we fight. Commander Chavik ICV Phoenix {RP} OFF I'm thinking a political science major could have fun in here. And Akira, thanks for the support as always. Let me assure everyone this is roleplay. I will use any opening I can within the roleplay tags to refute your character's arguments. Everyone is welcome to roleplay and will be welcomed as a BC3K gamer outside of roleplay. So jump right in! [This message has been edited by Charles Lindsey (edited 11-28-98).]

{RP} ON Commander Khir'san. You can't argue my points? You just sweep them aside? Very atypical. Was that the Professor in you? "It must not exist, so therefore I will ignore it." Or is that the Galcom in you? "Galcom says they are terrorists out for money and power therefore it must be true. The UFN says that Insurgents are outlaws and insubordinates so it must be so. Therefore I will ignore them. Earthcom says they are pirates and marauders so therefore I will ignore anything they have to say." Ignoring us will be your downfall in more ways than one. Did you not know that Pirates and Raiders routinely disguise themselves as insurgents to keep the blame away from themselves? Or has Earthcom and Galcom conveniently kept this fact to themselves? It sems this is true. A rare act of solidarity for these groups considering the jealously between them. No raid has been conducted by Insurgents on innocent civilians that I am aware of. Anyone I find doing this will be reported to Rattler and dealt with. I will be proud to serve on the tribunal that tries them. Any other Commander I know would be proud to perform this service also. I am confident in that. We have proven time and time again that the UFN is not acting in the best interests of the people. What proof have you that we do not? Calling us murderers and terrorists does not prove it so. Calling us power hungry does not prove it so. Making us out as Land Barons of ancient Earth does not prove it so. What arguments can you put forth that prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that we are power hungry zealots out to remake Earth's government into simply another dictatorship? We are not. And who has the right to quote communism? Do you not remember that even those ancient communists had elections? That they had a constitution? That they mimicked democracy to the point of a Shakesperean tragic comedy? But it was a one party state. Only those meant to be in power were offered to the people. It is not a far stretch to beleive in a two party state run totally by the government. Two promising candidates are slated for promotion. They are offered in a seeming democratic election and the one with the best PR skills and manuvering abilities is elected thus being promoted and ensuring the UFN always has fresh meat to further it's tragedies. Sure you have elections but choosing the lesser of two evils is not much choice. The people choose but what choice do they really have? Earth caused it's own problems as it always has. Knowledge is good. The search for knowledge is good. But the desire for instant knowledge is not. The attempt for instant knowledge is not. The disregard for resources while trying to acheive instant knowledge is not. Yes Earth or should I say Earth's government, the UFN, has caused all of Earth's problems. Then it compounds them by allying themselves with rather shady characters. Are the Empirians and Vesperons really Earth's friends? Some of you are admitting the Earthcom's and the UFN's mistakes and claiming everything is all better now. Insurgent Brothers! Throw down your arms and come back to the fold! Yeah right. Show us proof. Show proof that everything is better. Has the ozone level on Earth risen one bit? Have you stopped totally subsidizing alien embassies on Earth? I know government. I know how budgets work. Do you not believe they would milk Earth for everything it had to offer, and then some, to save a few budget dollars? Everything is all better. Earth is still being soaked for all it's worth. Resources and manpower. Take care to watch the cash register while trying to mind the store. So who's mentality is wrong? Commander Chavik ICV Phoenix <RP> OFF Phew! I hope I covered everyone. LOL you guys give a good fight. Alun you did good from what I saw. And I know you posted while I was writing this. So I guess I'll have to answer/defend that when I see it. Khir'san, you are quite welcome. We'll have anyone who will join in on the fun. And you seem to have joined in wholeheartedly. T.C. Welcome back again! LOL good arguments. I love it but you guys wear me out every time. So ya'll have fun. Glad you like these threads. I'm glad everyone does. Commander Chavik ICV Phoenix

This thread is to thank all those who have joined in recently into the Galcom/EArthcom/Insurgent Debate. Thank you Commander Grenville, Commander Wolf, Commander Locke, and Commander Khir'san. <RP> ON Ahhh yes Commander Khir'san. Another cadet newly raised to Commander. Full of ideas, ideals and ready to defend the galaxy against all that is wrong. Well I tell you to look to yourselves to see what is wrong. Who told you we hunger for power and wealth? WHO? Or was it your own idea? Let me assure you the only power we want is the power of the people returned to them. The only wealth we want is Earth's. Earth's wealth (such as it is after the UFN has had her for so long)returned to her people. We wnat Earth's wealth kept on Earth. Not squandered on a war machine that could have been avoided nor an alien prescence whose total existence on Earth is subsidized by the UFN. Alliances are one thing but giving away the farm is another. Fledgling space faring race that we are do you not think we are being used to some ultimate end? Who gave us our technology? Not us. We were as a baby pulling himself up to a table trying to learn to walk. Then we were given the ability to run. Quite a leap and Terra has paid dearly for it. We ran right into the jaws of the lion. As far as a two front war goes, it would have been one front only had the UFN not desired to explore the farthest reaches of space without learning how to walk first. Crawl; then walk; then run. We were learning to crawl. We had friends close to home. But the UFN had to run the first chance they got. The one sane argument you put forth was ruined. Do you think Galcom does not kill our mothers? Our fathers? Our sons and daughters? Thank you for allowing us our cause but your virtues blind you. Thank you for introducing yourself via GNN Commander Khir'san. I will put you on my Priority list. </RP> OFF Welcome back T.C.! Good to see your input again. Commander Khir'san. Hope you don't mind me changing GDN to GNN, If Derek allows GDN I'll follow along. Perhaps GNN DNU. Galcom News Network, Daily News Update. Derek's site, Derek's game, Derek's world. We are just along for the ride. But thanks for the input regardless! Commander Chavik ICV Phoenix "We Shall Arise From The Ashes" P.S. I'm not the only one who can make a topic down here. I enjoy it but ya'll are making me a bit paranoid. LOL. So long as we keep it cool and follow Derek's rules I think everything will be O.K. Nothing pointless but spinoff's would be cool. And where is the Debate among Earthcom And Galcom? I would like to see that. Everyone is concentrating on the Insurgents (oops roleplay opening). P.P.S. Anyway thank you all for joining in. it's great! Charles

That will be cool. And with players around the world...... <RP> ON The great bear awakens from his sleep. To shuffle around and roar a bit before going back to hybernate. Awaking perhaps to mark his territory and re-establish his rule. I was beginning to think you had abandoned your troops. Seems the bear has a few teeth after all. How about claws? I've never heard of declawing a bear but I think it can be accomplished. We are growing in numbers. Already a force to be reckoned with soon we shall see the day of reckoning. <RP>OFF Hope I didn't poke too hard. ------------------ Commander Chavik ICV Phoenix "We Shall Arise From The Ashes"

Welcome to the fold Dave. Err Commander Condor. I like the name. Rest assured you are a game player first and anyone will help you with any questions you may have. You do seem to have quite a grip on the situation. But anyone feel free to ask any queations you have. What's the worst can happen? We'll tell you to read the manual. But Roleplay is not in the manual so ask away. So Thank you Condor for answering Rattler's Call To Arms. Where did that go Rattler? Isn't it about time to issue it again? Your post originally but <whisper> call to arms, call to arms, call to arms </whisper>. And Antii, I see DeSylva has responded. I think we coverd about all of it in this thread. But perhaps a form letter (?) we could send out for those who want to know would work. Like I used to do with the tutorial. Not many people are asking for that any more. It's posted and I still have it. But DeSylva will do a good job of a joining fleets instruction. And we can then mail it out to people to ask. <whisper> call to arms, call to arms, call to arms. </whisper> Commander Chavik ICV Phoenix

Rattler has given you some good information. I might add that you may want to read Section 3.0 of the manual "A Brief History". It covers Earth's "history" from the present 1990's to game-time present of 3000 A.D. One thousand years has not done much for humanity it seems. Earth still has it's problems and no one is painted totally innocent. So read a bit and see what you think. Once you decide which fleet you would like to join simply e-mail that fleet leader. The Roleplay forums are good reading too. You may have to expand your preferences to catch the first one. So choose well for you will be stuck with that identity from here on. An enthusiastic man like yourself would do well as an Insurgent. Commander Chavik ICV Phoenix [This message has been edited by Charles Lindsey (edited 11-12-98).]

That's the fun of it. At least some of it. Player interaction occurs here on the site in various ways. Wishes, discussions, sharing tips; a forum for everything. And for roleplaying, just say we are getting ready. Commander DeSylva has a project in the works, and ever since the fleets were allowed rivalries sprang up. With rivalry comes discussion. We have been very careful to keep it good natured outside of the roleplaying but almost anything goes within roleplaying so long as you use the tags. We are just "Getting into Character". We have beaten each other over the head with the manual, called each other dirty names, and explained what we would do should we catch one of them. It's all been great fun. And that is the key. FUN. I have had an absolute blast. And Thanks to Derek for allowing all of it. Roleplay without multiplay? It works. You've seen it. But when Multiplay comes on line it's going to be ten times more fun. Just hang on for the ride. Insurgents "1" ; Galcom "0" ROFL. (Sorry, had to. A scoreboard? hmmmmm.) The Site you are referring to is the Fleet Operations Center. Desylva set that up for the different fleets to use as a storehouse for information. Password by necessity to avoid one fleet viewing another's info. I hope it takes off. Thank you for asking. I welcome any other explanations that come along. And questions also, though I hope the man who knows all about it might step in and explain the points I missed. Commander Chavik ICV Phoenix

<RP> Commander Wolf; What corrupts us? Honor. And if honor corrupts we are corrupted absolutely. What corrupts us? Loyalty. Loyalty to Earth and her resources and peoples. What corrupts us? Duty. Duty to protect Earth from the mess it finds itself in now. Bungled Diplomatic relations. Those that could possibly been avoided had the UFN not been so adamant in exploring the galaxy an squandering Earth's resources in the process. And not only that it found an enemy that has no care for diplomacy. So now we must not only save Earth from itself, but we must also save it from an enemy beyond belief. One that only sees TERRAN in it's scopes. Rest assured CUB, when our door advances to you, you will have no choice but to ask "May I come in?". Methinks a CUB will be bitten by a snake. Best to sup on your mother's milk some more before you go chasing snakes. Commander Chavik ICV Phoenix </RP> or (Roleplay OFF) LOL Wolf. I don't think you offended anyone. I did manage to offend DeSylva once in the original thread. But it was all roleplay. Keep it coming, it is fun. <G> Charles

<Roleplay> ON Ahh Cmdr. Grenville, I see that you are newly raised from the Academy full of vim, vigor, and (however misplaced they are) high morals. Indoctrined quite nicely in Galcom and UFN beliefs. They told you we were uncoordinated? That wasn't part of the lessons when I was in Galcom. Or did you figure that out for yourself? How so? Could an uncoordinated group survive for hundreds of years? Not just the 35 since we were officially declared outlaws. The addition of Rattler breathed new life into the Insurgency yes but Insurgents were never disorganized. And as to defense we are quite well defended thank you. Take care when you coming knocking at our door. Commander Chavik ICV Phoenix "We Shall Arise From the Ashes" <roleplay> OFF Hehe. No one escapes. <G> But give it back! As good as you got if not better. I love it. [This message has been edited by Charles Lindsey (edited 11-05-98).]

I would also like to thank you for creating this thread Cmdr. Blackwell. I applaud your efforts. A Grand idea. Now on to recruitment. Reality and Roleplay sort of bend but here goes. Anyone who has the game knows that the Insurgents are one of the "Bad Guys". As they are also Terran this opened up a unique possibilty. It was an opposing force to GalCom. More so than an ENEMY threat? Hmmm. But still a thorn in the side of GalCom. Different player fleets were created and an Insurgent fleet was among them. We who have joined the Insurgent Cause are the real life "BadGuys" so to speak. But we really aren't. <quasi roleplay> We Insurgents believe that the UFN has Sqandered the Earth's resources, still continues to sqander them on an alien presence on Earth. An Embassy maybe but not TOTAL Funding. (Read the Manual) We Believe Earthcom has committed crimes against humanity and should be disbanded.(manual) We also believe The UFN has endorsed crimes against humanity in the form of Experiments and should be disbanded or reformed. (manual) <quasi roleplay> OFF <G> Hopefully I didn't delve too deep into roleplay. But if you want to be a "good" "Bad Guy" Join the Insurgents. We would definitley appreciate it if you would. And please remember, CIC is in command of this site and his game. Any Teeth Gnashing should definitley be enclosed in the <RP>; {RP}; [RP]; tags. However you would like to enclose them. Just be sure you do in an appropriate thread. Commander Chavik ICV Phoenix "We Shall Arise From The Ashes" [This message has been edited by Charles Lindsey (edited 11-04-98).]

Akira, I claim reserved silence awaiting T.C.'s return but a month is a long time online. But you have given me the opening and the thought I needed to stir the pot just a little. <EG> SOOOO <roleplay> ON Cmdr. Akira; You have caught my sentiments exactly. I see you feel as I do that no one has the guts to comment because they were not told to. "Brainwashed lapdog of the UFN" I believe Rattler called them. Scratched behind the ears and told to fetch. You and I both know that will not be so easily accomplished. As Does Rattler. We weren't brought into the fold to be hapless sticks. That aside, I can see where no one would argue back. Insurgents as a whole are people who are disgruntled with circumstances as they are and would tend to be very vocal about their beliefs. As you, Rattler, and I are. Not so Galcom and Earthcom. Complacent in their beliefs and place in life they are happy to blithely follow those few leaders who do show initiative. Those few they place their entire trust in. WE have a common goal that we work towards together. THEY blindly follow the leaders of the pack hoping everything will work out. It WILL work out. Eventually. "Cmdr Chavik, transmission ended." "Good" says Chavik. "It's a shame no one will respond. I could almost respect some of them if they would. Close transmissions." "Cmdr, I'm picking up something very faint." says the communication officer. "Intercept". "It's garbled sir" says the communications officer. "Enhance reception to max and decipher" "Yes Sir" "Do you have it?" says Chavik. "Yes Sir" "Display then please" "This is the best I could do." says the communications officer. >>> by l*tting you fight amo*g yours**ves, we c*n move in f*r the kill when you both are weak. Mwa*ah*ha! >> "That is all I could get Sir". "Good enough" says Chavik. "A madman or a traitor?" "Sir? Do you wish to transmit?" "Yes. Transmit this" Cmdr Sanftenberg, What you speak of is treason. I was in GalCom once and I know. Waiting for two opposing sides to maim each other to non-resistance is usually considered good tactics. But in for the kill when you are allied to one of those sides is treason. Moving in for the kill? Rantings at best. Immoral, decrepit and insane at worst. However strained the relations are between Earthcom and Galcom you are consigned to help each other. Should you be found out what will you do? Take your punishment like a man or come crawling to the Insurgents? How will you be recieved? Not well, not from me I assure you. I can't speak for Insurgent One. "End Transmission" <Roleplay> OFF Thanks Akira for lighting the fires again. <G> I've enjoyed it. David Sanftenberg, none of that was a personal attack. It WAS all roleplay. Feel free to give back as good as I gave. Others. Join in! Whatever your affiliation is Please feel free to join in the discussions. Commander Chavik ICV Phoenix [This message has been edited by Charles Lindsey (edited 11-01-98).]

T.C. <roleplay off> Well we'll miss your input. And we won't use your absence to call your character coward since you won't be able to respond. Any one jump in. T.C.'c right. The title of this thread came from the fact that only he and Akira were bashing heads at the last. <G> But anyone is welcome. I like #2 in your above post. Are you saying that the government chose the Insurgents as the scapegoat in order to draw attention away from a possible alien threat and to avoid panic? Interesting thought. Or am I reading something into nothing? Either way I'll have to come up with a proper roleplay rebuttal.<G> Charles

T.C. The Prior was Roleplay as I suppose you can guess. <G> Forgot the tags. But thanks for keeping the thead alive. Somone else said that but I thank you also. Commander Chavik ICV Phoenix

Thanks to all who particiated. I want to echo DeSylva's congratulations on a nice clean thread. (echo is much better than parrot huh DeSylva? <G&gt It also shows how well people can argue their points on vague information. Was it purposely vague? I have no idea but it worked out great. Any more info one way or the other and one side could definitely be declared in the right. I would love more history. I know Derek said he would get around to this someday. Or more details in what we already have. Kept vague enough to keep both side on an even keel. So Round one is over for me. You guys keep it up. Ya'll wore me out. I'm not opposed to round two at a later date though. It was great fun. Thanks all. Commander Chavik ICV Phoenix

Well finally. not as good as I'd hoped. DeSylva is the writer as he has so eloquently proved these last few posts. But here goes. {rolplay} on My my DeSylva, which string did I pull? Certainly not one of Galcom's. Those are finer than spider webs yet stronger than steel. Perhaps I did tug at one of those as well. Such a big fish for such little bait. Are we really so different? We both are fighting for something we beleive in. Do we lose honor by doing it? In our own eyes and those of our comrades no. Are we following on blind faith? Some may be. Let us hope they are not in command. That is the stuff of which Zealots are made. We have been labeled terrorists, rebels, and outlaws since the beginning. Scum, parasites, and ghostlings more recently. It is WE who should be righteously indignant. Governments can, will, and have re-written history to suit them. To the victor goes the spoils but they also get to write the histories. That Galcom had to allow mention of rumors of Earthom atrocities towards those Insurgents of so long ago the truth must be far, far worse. But so long ago in history only the hate remains. Sad, really. Perhaps Diplomats would do a better job. Did I dream I would now be fighting besides these people? Never in my wildest. My dreams were never this good. We are so close and yet so far. You beleive in Galcom and I beleive in the Insurgency. The HEART and SOUL of it. Any who wants to gain power for their own ends does not belong wih us. That truly is a terrorist. Time for a defense? A defense for fair punishment? As yours was? When you re-entered Galcom you were sentenced to a BattleCruiser. And now you offer your services for a fair punishment? Beginning at a court-martial? You were on your way back up when you returned. If one of us should return it will be on the way straight down to the lowest brig I fear. No I do not think we can surrender. Not to Galcom or Earthcom. Earthcom having had much more practice. But both are arms of the true oppressor. You are partially correct; the time for our talks at least are at an end. ANy more talks will have to be continued thru diplomatic channels. You may yet find your worst enemy is your best friend. Commander Chavik ICV Phoenix "We Shall Arise From The Ashes"

{roleplay Off} You guys are wearing me out. I don't think this fast. You're gonna have to give me a coule of days on this one Michael. Question DeSyla's honor? No. Beliefs? Yes. Of course, any good debate has some mudSlingin' But it's going back to roleplay right NOW. <G> TAC? Charlie Chavik? I don't think so. Otherwise a good response. See ya in a few. [This message has been edited by Charles Lindsey (edited 10-13-98).]

{Roleplay} So many responses. So little time to formulate a coherent argument. DeSylva, I now no longer call you a dog. Dogs can be wooed in a fashion. Shown who to trust. Given respect, they will give it back. I really don't know what to name you without turning you more against us. If that was possible in the first place. Your arguments are vehement yet feral. And I could tell you your arguments were wrong till space turned white yet you would not beleive me. You aren't so bad at spouting dogma yourself. Not even on command. It is so ingrained you take every oppurtunity to spew it whether told to or not. Mr. McQueen, Do you now accuse us of Changing all history files to date and that everyone would all of a sudden believe them as truth? I thank you that you believe so much of us and so little of your own populace. Fed lies by the United FORCED Nations for so long they now believe anything in print. It must terrify you that we can do so much when we claim so little. Who's lies do you believe now? Or are they lies at all? Who's is the truth? And finally Mr Naylor. Who can't say anything because he has nothing good to say about anyone. Not even your own comrades? Your brothers in arms? Not a single defense? Not a word in agreement? Some say silence is golden but I truly don't beleive this is the case here. If not golden then what? While I admit there is a fine line between argument and debate and we have had to pull your comrades back over the line many times, I still beleive this is a debate. It is regrettable that it must be decided by force of arms. If history decides who wins my right instead of might WE know who shall win. Commander Chavik ICV Phoenix

That was good DeSylva {roleplay} Vague threats yes. Empty? NEVER! Lest YE forget, we were a force before Galcom was even a half-formed thought in some decrepit old politician's delusions. When we were gaining strength and could not be quieted we were thrown into the river. Like unwanted puppies tied in a sack. The people of our cause have been hunted like rabid dogs. Because they were trying to right the governments wrongs. And they were wrong. They are still wrong. And even more wrong to fall back into 20th century strong arm communist tactics. What opposes the government should be destroyed. United FREE Nations? It should be United FORCED Nations. So be a good little puppy and lick your master's hand. Fetch when told, and wag your tail when you are patted on the head for being a good boy. Such blinded devotion would be commended if it were not so misplaced. So once again we are at an impasse. Until we meet. <Salutes> {/roleplay}

I really like this proposal. It allows for a modicum of diplomacy and keeps the confusion down. Especially mine! This is going to be great. We just have to hang on for the ride. I have already mailed my suggestions to DeSylva. These are gameplay/online play issues only and not FLEET issues. Rest assured I am not usurping anyone's authority. Commander Chavik ICV PHOENIX

A bit late but {Roleplay}ON Perhaps Wraith shouldn't stray too far from the nest. Space is cold and lonely. Why you should stray so far from home is beyond me. Closer to the enemy but farther from reinforcements. Cold space. Lonely space. We Insurgents are used to being cold and lonely. We are used to hiding. Fragile alliances are the norm. We live with this every day. Cold and Lonely. Lonely and Cold. Two races are aloof at best. Two are out for anything Terran. And the Two who have joined Galcom could probably care less for our internal struggle. Cold...Lonely. Take Care Wraith that ye do not hide in the last place you could possibly run. So Cold, so lonely. Cold. Lonely. Quiet. Did I mention the quiet? So quiet. Silence. Absolute. Quiet. Does an Explosion in space make a sound? NO it doesn't. So Quiet. So cold. So lonely. Take care Wraith. Spectres are everywhere. {Roleplay} OFF I thought it was time to put the FUN back into the game. I think we are past the point of Insurgents are wrong ("No we aren't")and into the phase of general threats. LOL. Let's put the fun back into it.

Thanks for the graphics . From what I know and understand that is correct. I really shouldn't have gone off like that and I will remove one particular statement I don't like . It's all names. Similiar to a Marine Corps Captain is equivalent to a Navy Lieutenant (thanks Rattler,) But we all have a main group and then subgroups. After CAREFULLY re-reading your original post I see that you are correct with the exeption of Insurgent Prime. As this was the way the Commanders Roster was set up for a few days I can see where the confusion came in. I even had that discussion with Rattler myself as to whether we were going to be Insurgent Prime because that was the only option in the registry. That is all fixed now. Thanks again for the graphics. I think that nails it on the head. Anyone else wanna stir this pot awhile? My arms are tired. Commander Chavik ICV PHOENIX [This message has been edited by Charles Lindsey (edited 10-10-98).]

(Edit about 15 mins after I posted) This is too commaders who are STILL trying to figure out the fleet structure. (end edit) (re-edit One final time. Names are important to most people. The thing I went off on was the Insurgent/Spectre Fleet etc. The Insurgents have Spectre Fleet. Anything else is a Squad within Spectre. Insurgent is the Caste. Spectre is the FLEET. Squads are internally defined. There is no dissension among the Insurgent ranks and someone may have had a late idea however my original post still stands. That is the most quarter I will give, No No NOOO! Stop right now! I thought we already had this all figured out. Anyone Registered as Galcom is in the Galcom Prime Fleet. From the Largest Warmonger Super Carrier to the smallest personal jetpak. YOU ARE GALCOM PRIME FLEET. I see no problem with a fleet within a fleet. The number 7 and the words "U.S. BATTLE" come to mind. The word Prime means first, most important, predominant, among others I can't think of right now. Therefore you have the Prime fleet having SUBORDINATE fleets within it. Whst's the problem? ISS, Wraith, and Orion are Subordinate fleets to GALCOM Prime Fleet. What's the problem? Now then, Insurgents are a single group opposed to GALCOM. We are ONE fleet and one fleet only as defined by the manual and higher sources. Yes we have Squadrons to perform specific tasks. If someone would rather join Wraith Fleet than an Insurgent Strike Squadron , well it's just a name thing. (edit one insulting statement) I haven't seen much on them but I feel EarthCom is about the same way. Earthcom is a FLEET. That is all. A fleet. The Earth's security forces but still a single fleet. If EarthCom wants to have Squads for specific tasks great! Go for it. Insurgents are. Disreagrding resource issues, Galcom Prime = Insurgent Fleet in the level of general heirarchy. ISS fleet , WRAITH fleet, and ORION fleet = Insurgent Squadrons. What's the Problem? If you can't figure out the similarities well I'm sorry. If ISS , WRAITH,, and ORION choose to develop squads that is great. I don't think Insurgent could break down any more but that is part of the script no? Underdog and all that. But quit screwing around with things when we had it all figured out. There is a time to be diplomatic and a time to make a decision. Diplomacy is OVER with. People have had PLENTY of time to state their wishes. Make a DECISION. I beleive I have a firm grasp of things as they stand. If I don't feel free to lambast me till i am hanging on to an airlock by my finngertips but this is the way I feel. Commander Chavik ICV PHOENIX [This message has been edited by Charles Lindsey (edited 10-10-98).]