Charles Lindsey

24 hours later and no one got my joke? I'm crushed. (Edit: I wanted the baseball smack but it's showing the trout smack instead) [ 03-24-2004, 08:52 AM: Message edited by: Supreme Cmdr ]

Well now I can't find it. May be I already gave it away and just now found the driver disk. Oh well.

My copy is ordered. Oh, before I forget, does anyone want an Inno3D Tornado GeForce2 MX400 video card?

Steve Schacher: 2: Needn't mention Clinton at all. Al Gore Invented the Internet and caused all this trouble.

Darn, we were having such a nice discussion too. quote:Steve Schacher: Anyway, back to the question, I believe that it is bias in reporting that is making 5.6% seem high when it has been historically low,Errrm then why isn't anyone explaining this to anyone? It seems to me that if these numbers were somehow artificially valid (ooohhh there is a term for greenspan) then the Bush guys would be saying "Yeah Clinton had super low unemployment but that was due to the dot com era." Or some such thing. As far as housing goes lots of people think it is the new bublle and will come crashing down sooner or later. I don't think I beleive that.

The question was quote:So the question is, why was 5.6% considered low when Clinton was in office, but now it is considered high when Bush is in office? Clinton's 5.6% number was considered low because it came down from 7.3%. Bush's 5.6% number is considered high because it went up from 4.0%. PERCEPTION.

Yeah I always thought something was fishy during the dot com era. There just wasn't enough substance to support everything they were doing. It was like a bunch of multi level marketers were in room pumping up the clueless sales force. quote:Track the employment numbers with the dot com craze, and it all becomes evident.I'm not that good. However just looking at that chart (which I just realized leaves out the first two years of H W Bush) '91 - '92 had an uptick of .9% to 7.3%. Clinton maintained 7.3% for a year and then it dropped .7% then the next year it dropped a full percentage point. I see a slow steady drop from that chart. The dot com bubble was in there somewhere but I don't see a year with a HUGE drop unless you count that full percent point drop. From what I remember of the dot com era it was maybe 97 but defintitely 98 - 99 when the thing exploded. quote:His unemployment numbers are as flimsy as the dot com bubble was.But wouldn't you agree that it is the perception of the thing?

You are absolutely correct of course. Hindsight is 20/20. HOwever the discussion LostInSpace and I were having was that Clinton Admin shelved a plan And thus it's his fault. I'm willing to wait for more facts. quote:I mean come on, you concentrate on what's important at the time, and terrorism jumped to the front because of 911.True, true.

Bush did not concentrate on terrorism. quote:The Associated Press first reported in June 2002 that Bush's national security leadership met formally nearly 100 times in the months prior to the Sept. 11 attacks yet terrorism was the topic during only two of those sessions.

quote:So the question is, why was 5.6% considered low when Clinton was in office, but now it is considered high when Bush is in office? I believe it's about perception. To use these same numbers and not throw other things into the mix (dragging ALL unemployment history and play the blame game) let's look at the presidents in question. H W Bush was 6.4 (chart doesn't say what he inherited, that would be interesting.) and then it rose to 7.3. Clinton inherited 7.3 and it went steadily down until his last year in office when it had a small uptick. W Bush took that 4.2 and it jumped to 5.6 within his first year. Then it rose again the second year and now it has dropped back a bit. This signals that things are somewhat improving but for people to consider 5.6% low they would have to forget that 4.2% was perhaps extraordinarily low. That's not gonna happen. People are going to remember the Clinton good times and blame Bush because he could not maintain the status quo. Disclaimer 1: I'm not taking sides. I just think it's about the perception. Disclaimer 2: I know that the president doesn't have "control" over the employment numbers. However, the policies any president advocates or even signs into law indirectly effects the numbers.

quote:Berger and the principals decided to shelve the plan and let the next Administration take it up. With less than a month left in office, they did not think it appropriate to launch a major initiative against Osama bin Laden. Of course, and I think that's what I have been talking about. If Bush had followed that plan would 9/11 been prevented? Dunno. Will never know. But there is enough to make ya wonder. Do you think it was some final political maneuvering from the Clinton team? If Clinton had started action and Bush had continued would Bush blame Clinton if things didn't go well? If it went well do you think Bush would have Finished what Clinton started? Probably both ways. Politicians are good at that. quote:There was not one peep from anyone. That alone would have put the Democratic party back on the map and would have redeemed Clinton to the golden boy.Too busy stealing the China. quote:(any evidence of corruption or just plain stupidness)There goes Bush. (sorry, low blow) quote:then and only then if you pass with a 90% or higher you become eligible as a candidate for president. I'm liking it but it would never fly. quote:Wolferz: Could this topic have been steered over a cliff any better, boys and girls?Well 9/11 is connected to Al quaeda so it's not that terrible is it? quote:Whether you want to see it or not, 1984 has come to pass in a more horrific way than even Orwell could imagine. And it began long before 1984.They can pretend to rule the world all they like. So long as I have my little piece I'll be happy. I could do with a slightly bigger piece but I don't need the whole pie. Ok to go back on topic a story dated March 20 says they are still fighting. They are well seasoned fighters who are good and the Pakistani's firmly beleive they have a high value target.

quote:Darkling: quote:Originally posted by Takvah: why Bush commits only an hour to the 9/11 CommissionAnd this matters how? Makes him look suspicious. quote:Darkling: quote:Originally posted by Takvah: why WMDs and links to Al-Qaeda are non existent.So since Al-Qaeda doesn't have WMD's then we should just leave them alone right? I mean they ONLY blew up our World Trade Centers, no biggie right? I think it should have been OR. As in two separate instances. Iraq WMDs are non existent. Iraq ties to Al qaeda are non existent. Al qaeda did not have WMDs. Except a few airplanes. quote:Darkling: quote:Originally posted by Takvah: I mean you'd have to be mildly retarded or extremely gullable to just accept this fascist rhetoric right.... right.... guys? *Throws up hands* Actually, you would have to be Mildy retarted to think that Saddam was a cute lovable dictator, who just wanted the best for Iraq & the world. He broke every rule that the UN laid down as a condition of his surrender, and the UN did absolutely nothing about it. Somebody had to stand up to him. I know that you are too afraid to, but luckily W isn't. Oh I seem to remember some inspections that were going on. quote:$ilk That's right - it's not based on all the security council resolutions, assassination attempt on a president, and statements by all the democrats up until Bush came into office that Sadaam needed to be stopped through force if necessary... it's all about the fact that WMD's have not been found - when EVERYONE - including Clinton thought they were there. Funny that. I posted two years ago it was about "He tried to kill my daddy" but that wasn't the reason at all back then. It was the Imminent Threat. Funny that the UN resolutions called for inspections which were happening and were working but it was about the Imminent Threat.

OOOOOHHHHHHHH you been editing! Glad I grabbed your original post. I tried to add those little tick things to say what I was replying too. But yeah it was a Sunday Morning political show and I did see people discussing the transition situation. I'm sure the "Hated Clinton for beating my dad" (hmmmmmmm ) was opinion.

quote:LostInSpace True but then that begs the question why did Clinton keep his mouth shut and seeing he didn't get anywhere with Bush* why didn't he tell the public this. There was not one peep from anyone.~ So I kinda suspect that comment about Clinton telling Bush.^ *What I heard was that it wasn't one on one Bush Clinton contact but rather the transition team paperwork and reports. ~And I saw it on the Sunday Morning political shows. Former aides and what not. ^Former aides and what not are also suspect but I seem to remember the panelists discussing it. Of course it was much like here. Those who beleived Clinton Supported those statements while those who beleived Bush said "Oh no it wasn't that way at all, we reviewed everything given to us and made appropriate decisions." Also suspect. But I actually saw It for myself so I feel there is enough food for thought. Now the conspiracy theorists think Bush PLANNED 9/11. Or allowed it happen at the best. Eh, makes ya wonder but I don't think so.

Don't know what the heck I did. Had a post for this thread but stuck it in the Osama thread somehow. Ah well glad everyone is friends again. Group hug?

quote:LostInSpace 4: Well according to some Clinton warned Bush about an imminent attack on his way out of office. Bush claims he didn't know. Some people say that Bush knew it was going to occur. The intelligence community sat on the info whatever their agenda was in doing so. Etc... It's all a matter on who you ask and what they believe.There is some meat in that. I have heard/read that Bush hated Clinton so terribly for Clinton Beating his father out of a second term that the Bush administration wouldn't listen to a single thing the outgoing Clinton administration had prepared for them.

FBI has new way of tracking terrorists.

I'm just trolling. You can troll your friends can't you? I'd love a good discussion on taxes even if I don't participate.

It's that time again. Paid H & R Block to do them again. $121 this year. The fed I can figure myself and be REALLY close but the state has so many hidden deductions I now "get back" almost $400 from my state. So it's worth it to me to pay someone to find an "extra" $300 in overpayment refunds. Gripe moan and complain about taxes all you want. I don't mind. I hit the mother load of old threads.

I have two of These 4" stock knife three blade One of These Mini trapper from Case And an Alaskan Ulu (whale cutting) And one of these . Traded it for some Popular Hot Rodding Magazines. I also have a mini Case pen knife. And a Case Changer. It has the stock blade, a fillet blade, and a tree/bone blade. Other than a utility knife that's it.

quote:Originally posted by LostInSpace: quote:Originally posted by $iLk: Even last year when I lost my own job - guess who wasn't filing out an unemployment claim. I started doing yard work, housework, etc. to make ends meet until I got another job. Ummm why not? You are paying for that in your pay check look at your paystub under Unemployment Insurance. That's what I think. Why not? In fact, consider it getting some back what many consider a handout. quote:$ilk I've been in a nice job for the past few months... not once have I complained about someone making more than me. I've always been content wherever I was knowing that I was there through my own effort - not by leeching off of someone else's.But they don't. They DO leech off of other people. Makes me furious. The tall handsome guy or the fast talker that walks around with papers in her hand just to look busy ALWAYS get all the credit. Sigh, just a general rant. Not trying to pull this thread off topic. quote:Originally posted by Jaguar: Did I say 5 years? They are a bit faster on the uptake then I thought. internet sales tax. It's their money and they want it... Yeah Alabama has had a use tax for years. If you bought something thru a catalog (now conceivably the internet) out of state you were supposed to add that up and pay ALabama sales tax on out of state purchases. They may not have called it sales tax but it was equivalent. Really nice way to circumvent "no taxes on interstate commerce".

Hehe http://members.aol.com/clind10107/game/pirates.zip And it still works with WinXP. Pretty cute little game.

Oh I just couldn't resist. http://www.meta-religion.com/Secret_societ...l_and_bones.htm And their page on other secret societies, conspiracies, Bush and the Bin Ladens; and of course Prescott Bush and the Nazis. http://www.meta-religion.com/Secret_societ...t_societies.htm I read the whole Skull and Bones thing. Interesting to say the least.

I think Intercorp and the like already fill this function. Try the Misc. Race/Caste Affiliations forum.

quote:Hubble Space Telescope (HST) has been wonderful in its time providing great science, but as sorry as I am to say it Hubble can't be serviced forever, I think it's time we moved on.As long as it can do science it should be serviced. That doesn't mean I'm saying save Hubble just cause it gives pretty pictures. I do realize at some point there will be diminishing returns. However at the same time it is a perfectly functioning instrument. Only the gyroscopes that keep it steady are going out. They knew this. Give it one more service. They were planning it anyway. It's just that the last shuttle disaster has everyone thinking it's not worth it. My ideas (like the head of NASA is gonna see them): You are right. They have the schematics. Hack the thing. Build quadruple redundancy into those gyroscopes. Glue them to the outside or whatever. It was built with four right? take ten or twenty and glue them on the outside and program the things to not turn on until another fails. Give it those ion engines. Again hack it and just bolt them on the outside. Might be enough to keep it in a safe orbit. Drive it till the wheels fall off. Let colleges have the access codes and let them use it till it just won't work no more. Sell it. Let a private company finance the last service mission. And reap the rewards from selling the info. Use the shuttle as planned. Boost it to the orbit of the space station. Undock and chase the space station. Dock at space station. Inspect shuttle for return to earth. Any combination of the above. If it just can't be it just can't be and I understand that. But it's still sad they are abandoning a planned mission.